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Re: Eastham Ferry...Ferry setting off point Wirral and Liverpool Sid bert1 16 hours ago
According to the 1861 directory, all ferries sailing from Wirral went to the Liverpool South Landing Stage, this appears to be the Georges Landing Stage, Georges Pier Head, erected in 1847.

https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Landing_Stage,_Liverpool
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Re: Family Alldis bert1 Yesterday at 05:54 PM
A couple of little bits you may not have,

Gilbert Guile Alldis, Stonemason. In 1934, he knocked a cyclist off his bike and was fined £1 for driving without due care and fined 10s for driving without a licence, plus costs.

His son, Gilbert John Alldis signed for Tranmere Rovers in 1938 and for New Brighton FC in 1950.
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Re: Eastham Ferry...Ferry setting off point Wirral and Liverpool Sid diggingdeeper Yesterday at 05:24 PM
Yes it is an old slipway an the steps immediately to the south and the other steps just north are very old as well. However it has been a shallow water area for a long time (almost a marsh) but this might have been a place where boats (especially fishing boats) were laid up. The water would never have been deep enough to run a reliable ferry service.

I think it is to far up river to be directly linked to shellfish (wild guess!) which much of Liverpool ate in the 19th century.

I was doing some notes the other day about mersey ferries but I've forgotten where the south Liverpool ferries were, I think it was Garston but I will check later when my stomach stops reminding me it has been abandoned.
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Family Alldis Alldis Yesterday at 05:15 PM
Hello everyone
My name is Neal Alldis and i am from Switzerland. I am doing some research for my family tree of Alldis.
I have quit a lot but maybe you have some more information from Gilbert Alldis and his family who lived in Birkenhead at 8Moreton Street.
At 168 Conway Street they had a shop he and his brother i think William Alldis where Stonemasonrys.

Maybe there are some pictures from the shop?

thanks for any help
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Re: Eastham Ferry...Ferry setting off point Wirral and Liverpool Sid bert1 Yesterday at 03:51 PM
A little bit of info here, https://www.wirralhistory.uk/monksferry.html

Oddly there's a house in Rock Ferry called Grassendale and a house in Grassendale call Monksferry.
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Eastham Ferry...Ferry setting off point Wirral and Liverpool Sid nickaxe Yesterday at 01:31 PM
Hi all wonder if anybody can solve a puzzle.....over on the Liverpool side of the river is an area named Grassendale.....next to Garston Docks.

At the river end of North road in the very smart Grassendale area is what to me was a slip way.....very old....and well built.....sandstone

blocks.....has a road attached to it now not passible but still there leading back toward the main road in Garston....visible on Google Earth

I am wondering if the slipway or what ever it was was the dropping off point on the Liverpool side of the River for the ferry that crossed the river.

I seem to think it was Monks who ran the ferry.....so where on the Wirral side would it set off....Eastham??? maybe Jobs ferry.

And could this spot in Liverpool indeed be the ferry's destination.

Nick.
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Re: Burton Marsh WW2 060 OTU Practise Bombing Targets nickaxe Yesterday at 01:09 PM
So glad I found this topic....answers a question regarding my dads war service with the Royal Engineers I think it was Maybe the REME?

He told me as a younger lad that during the WW2 he was stationed at Burton Manor.....what an easy posting we thought.....later on in life when he was no longer here to ask I got wondering.....what an earth where the REME doing based at Burton Manor.

Well I am now presuming he was involved in erecting these targets ect.

Got to know the area quite well in recent years visiting Parkgate ect.

Many thanks to the OP....solved a long time mystery.
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Re: Lucy Letby diggingdeeper 1st Jul 2025 12:46pm
Three managers from the Countess of Chester Hospital have now been arrested for suspicion of gross negligence manslaughter. Presumably attempts to hide the department's failings are among the reasons this has come about. Investigations into this matter are ongoing.

It should be noted that the police investigations into the deaths of the babies is still ongoing as a separate issue.
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Re: Removed Mother from Grave bert1 30th Jun 2025 5:18am
Granny, its meant to be whatever you want it to be, on my part I just wanted to correct a few myths, including one from myself.

Thanks DD,
That is the statement given to Detective Inspector Smith.

Raymond had another brush with the law in 1978, being of no fixed abode and claiming he hadn't eaten for a week walked out of a restaurant without paying and stole a knife for good measure. He was sent for psychiatric assessment.

The Leighton Rd address is that of his brother who along with Raymond is mentioned in his mothers probate. His mother left a total of £1,799-13s-3d
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Re: Removed Mother from Grave granny 29th Jun 2025 11:16pm
raftl

Having a peep at Wiki, this caught my eye. How bizzare . Poor woman, although she might have been hovering..... we'll never know !

Can't imagine why nobody else has found this rather amusing. (or is it meant to be sad ?)
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Re: Removed Mother from Grave diggingdeeper 29th Jun 2025 10:26pm
A bit more detail about the events:-

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The son said, 'As soon as my mother died I thought of trying to bring her back with electric treatment. I saw a policeman at Well Lane and told him I thought there was a chance of bringing her back to life but he said, 'You don't want to be messing about with a body'. I went to my mother's funeral from Leighton Road and after it was over I decided to have a go at bringing her back to life. On the same afternoon I went to Duke Street Garage and hired a car for one day and about 6 o'clock that night I went to Bebington Cemetery. I climbed over the wall with my spade and dug the grave. I opened the coffin with the spade and took mother out. I filled the grave in again and took mother in the back of the car to an empty house in Borough Road by Baileys Furniture Shop. I couldn't get into the house because it was locked so I had to leave mother in an outhouse at the back. The back door was open when I got here so I locked it and climbed out. I took the day off work on the Monday and went to three estate agents in Hamilton Square to find an empty house. At one I saw a house advertised for sale at 108 Claughton Road so I asked about buying it. I got the keys off the man to view the house'.

He went on to say that he got the keys to view the property for a few hours and then used his firm's van to collect his mother's body and took her to 108 Claughton Road and put her body in the kitchen.

He then said, 'I left mother covered with a blanket and next day, during dinner time, I mixed a plasma in a kind of lemonade bottle. I made it with a sugar that I melted, lime juice and milk. I then took it to Claughton Road to feed mother, and gave her some. Nearly every lunch time I went back that week and gave her some more plasma, but on the Saturday I started the electrical treatment. I rigged up a wire in the room and attached it to her foot. The electricity must have shorted because when I went back the next day I found it had done some damage to her foot. I have not had much chance to try any other treatment since that day. I was going to buy a house with the money mother left me and I was going to get good equipment to give mother proper electric treatment. She was a good mother to me and I was doing my best for her'.
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Removed Mother from Grave bert1 29th Jun 2025 5:44am
https://www.wikiwirral.co.uk/forums...her-back-to-life-in-the-1960s#Post301518


I came across this old thread and thought I'd look into it more. I've withheld the surnames for the protection of any living relatives. After reading 30+ newspaper reports these are the facts.

Mrs Emily ??? died on the 18th October 1960 of a stroke in hospital, she was 69 years old and a widow. She lived in Durley Dr, Prenton.
She was buried on the 22nd October in Bebington Cemetery.

Her son Raymond James ???, 33 of Cole St, went into Well Lane Police Station to seek permission to try and bring his mother back to life using electronics.
He was told he could not play about with bodies and would get in serious trouble should he do so.

After the funeral he went to Bebington Cemetery in a hired car and removed his mother from the grave, he replaced the coffin in the grave and made it look as if it had never been disturbed so it wouldn't be noticed.

He took his mother to an empty house in Claughton Rd and tried to revive her by feeding her sugar, lime juice and milk On October 29th he connected an Electrical Flex from a socket to his mothers foot in an attempt to bring her back to life. The body was found on December 17th 1960 in the empty house.

At the trial Mr Justice McNair said Raymond James ??? should not be tried as a criminal but as a mentally ill person.
Dr Benadict Finkleman report stated Raymond James was suffering from Paranoid Schizophrenia.

Raymond James ??? was committed to Deva Hospital, Chester.

I checked the burial records for Emily and she was buried Oct 22 1960, there's an added note stating, body unlawfully removed by son.
Emily was cremated at Landican Cemetery, 24th December, 1960.

A person of the same age and name Raymond James ??? died in a Liverpool Nursing Home in 2011.
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Park Primary School Circa Mid to Late 1960s _natabb96 26th Jun 2025 8:33pm
Hiya,

This may be a massive long shot BUT my dad went to Park Primary School (Love Lane, Wallasey) in the mid to late 1960s (He was born in 1961).

Back when I went to school in the 2000s we celebrated an anniversary of the school, and to cut a long story short, he borrowed his class pictures to a member of staff at the time and never got them back, which he regrets to this day.

I'm asking here to see if anyone at all has any pictures of classes from the mid to late 1960s or knows anyone who went during this time.

I would absolutely love to be able to find a copy of these pictures so he has them again.

Any help on pointers of where else to look would also be great, thank you in advance!
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Re: RAF Little Sutton diggingdeeper 26th Jun 2025 9:25am
The RAF Little Sutton airfield buildings were demolished around 2015/16 and new houses built as part of Ledsham Garden Village. New Hall Farm is still extant.
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Re: Birkenhead Union Workhouse bert1 22nd Jun 2025 3:39pm
There's many examples of punishment handed out to inmates for failing to carry out work allotted to them,

One example in 1890, Jacob Stacey a healthy looking man was charged when he refused to break 10cwt of stone.
The Doctor passed him fit to do so and he was sent to gaol for ten days with hard labour.

1900, The Board of Guardians sanctioned swimming lessons for all girls in the workhouse.

1900, Deaths were reported and attributed to arsenic poisoning and at the inquest 30 cases of Peripheral Neuritis was also brought to light.
It was caused by beer being made from Malt and Hops alone.
An analyst investigated and warned brewers against using Arsenical Malt.

In 1873, A proposal was made to put lighting behind the workhouse in Derby Rd, opposition was raised on the grounds if people wanted to enter the workhouse they might want to do it in the dark.

1885,
The Guardians wanted tenders to build Wards for the Insane, to have sight of the plans and requirements one Guinea was charged and redeemed when the tender was submitted.
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Re: Montpellier Crescent Chopper1979 18th Jun 2025 10:08pm
I had a mate who lives there in the flats in the late 90s.
Lovely view.
His dad owned the flat. A local solicitor who was pretty loaded.
It was hilarious... Full of us lot having parties and stuff. Really miss those days. Everything comes to an end.
Joined this place on here years ago. . Surprised it's still got active threads.
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Re: New Ferry regeneration diggingdeeper 17th Jun 2025 10:36pm
Government housing quotas are to blame, 1600 new homes a year for 20 years for Wirral is ridiculous and is imposable to achieve without eventually building on green belt which is highly unpopular.
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Re: New Ferry regeneration Excoriator 17th Jun 2025 11:18am
Well, I think any attempt to regenerate the area should preserve its good features and adequate free parking is certainly one of teh major ones these days.

The plan to give it over to Housing is the death knell for any real regeneration of the area. It is beyond stupid. It is utterly moronic. Those responsible for this lunacy should be beaten out of town with sticks and dogs set on them to speed their departure.

Is a backhander involved somewhere, one wonders.
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Wirral Pubs Past & Present
Re: 132 Central Hotel bert1 15th Jun 2025 9:31am
The 1939 register show 8 staff (live in) the manager was Charles E Lees, son of Luke Lees jnr, son of Luke Lees, Bedford Hotel.

There was also earlier a Central Hotel, 15 Grange Rd.

In 1885 ish there was shares on offer, 4,000 shares at £5 each to build a Grand Central Hotel in Argyle St adjoining the Grand Central Restaurant. The plan was to have a Hotel and Stables with access from Henry St. I don't think it took off.
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Re: Birkenhead Scandal, 1916. bert1 14th Jun 2025 12:21pm
Found a couple in the Flaybrick records buried in Pauper/Public graves, not sure when they were exhumed.
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Re: Birkenhead Scandal, 1916. diggingdeeper 14th Jun 2025 9:45am
30 shillings in 1916 is equivalent to £112.50 now. 30 shillings was roughly the cost of a paupers funeral at the time which is what they tried to recover from the estate, relatives or friends (even though friends and relatives do not have to pay, they often tried it on).

Many people paid weekly into a friendly society to pay for their future funeral.

These days the Government pay for full military funerals for anyone that dies in active service. There are some conditional funds for veterans that die from active service.
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Birkenhead Scandal, 1916. bert1 14th Jun 2025 7:17am
The Birkenhead local authorities had to make arrangements after yielding to strong public opinion and pressure to end the scandal of deceased British soldiers and servicemen being interred in paupers graves.
The Town Clerk and Cemetery committee considered the matter and instructed the cemeteries to provide free spaces in the 3 divisions of the cemeteries.

The Town Clerk reported the burials of a private nature were never charged for the grave but relatives were charged 30s for the excavation and filling in of the graves. Permission had to be granted from the Home Secretary to exhume those buried in paupers graves and this was a lengthy process.
It was also reported Liverpool authorities had never charged a penny.
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Re: 132 Central Hotel derekdwc 12th Jun 2025 3:06pm
Can't understand how it was allowed to get in the state it now is.
Search youtube "Central hotel" to see. It shocks me.
I've always thought the council could have taken it over and made some use of it maybe as temporary acccommadation or similar.
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Re: 737 Master Mariner, 3-5 Union Ter, New Brighton diggingdeeper 12th Jun 2025 3:38am
After Wetherspoons left this site in a holy mess, it now has a side wall back on it. This is very fast progress, it only went on the market again in February by LSF Estates Developments Limited.

Portofino restaurant next door which is/was part of the same property has just received a massive fine for employing illegal workers.
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Re: Montpellier Crescent bert1 9th Jun 2025 5:57am
In the 1880s for example, Ship Brokers, Doctors, Merchants and they all had servants.
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