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It appears this has been triggered by a UN target (SDG 12.3), to half global food waste by 2030. Our UK target for 2025 was to reduce food waste by 20% which we most likely achieved easily.

I'm not convinced that collecting food waste significantly reduces food waste although obviously recycling helps mitigate it, that shouldn't be the preferred solution.

Non-edible UK food waste (shells, kernels, skins, peelings, waste fat/oil, sprouts etc) is about 30% of our total food waste .

UK domestic food waste is roughly three times the amount of our other food waste (manufacturing, hospitality sector etc).

Since 2018 there have already been quite large reductions in UK domestic food waste.

The figure I haven't found is how much domestic food waste is already recycled domestically (composted, fed to creatures etc), I know people that collect food waste from friends etc to compost it.

I'd hope chemical tests will be performed on the composted food waste although I don't see how this can be performed, its not as easy as checking water purity. Some toxins (to humans and/or plants) don't break down easily when composting, this could be opportunistic for terrorists to cause widespread poisoning or crop destruction. It would be safer to collect the methane then landfill the rest, we already recycle our sewage into the food chain which has to be a disaster waiting to happen.

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I suppose people might throw the old food out into the garden instead of messing around with bins.. a great way to increase the rat and urban fox population !
If they didn't, what did they do with it other than put it inthe general waste bin ? It seems somewhat defeating the purpose. I think I'd throw mine out for the foxes. There's already plenty of them around here, we also have seagulls nesting on the roof tops. They'd enjoy a good meal.

We used to have it in Southport. I was the only person in our street to bother, and even then it was mainly teabags. It was cancelled in 2019.

https://mysefton.co.uk/2019/06/06/food-waste-collection-service-suspension/

IIRC you had a small worktop bin and then put it into a larger 30 bin

I agree. It's crazy. I assume we will have those silly little brown bins that only hold an old cabbage or equivalent.

Having mentioned this before, living on a main road, when the wind blows even the large bins get blown over and sometimes onto the edge of the pavement. The food waste bins are likely to be blowing all over the road.

Taking that into account, who will be responsible for any accidents incurred, the council, the refuse company or the occupant of a home ?
There could be a deluge of insurance claims, and if council have that sort of money to waste, so be it !

We remember the problem of the top heavy trees that after too much rain with saturated ground, fell in gales and went into the roof of a car, and the terribel tragedy related.

Always lack of council due care and attention and with no listening ear.

Robert MacBride, Logan McRae series a detective in Aberdeen, really enjoyable stories.

The Government are making it compulsory for Councils to recycle food waste within the next two years. Trials have been at West Kirby and New Brighton.

I really can'r see how this makes any sense whatsoever, I can't think of one positive thing about it. The cost of collecting, processing and distributing the end product in terms of finance and/or ecology just doesn't stack up whatsoever. Perhaps with commercial food firms (cafe's through manufacturers) but definitely not domestic.

Thinking about our food waste I think it has amounted to a dozen egg shells in the last two weeks. I simply don't buy food that I am going to throw away, why would you?

The previous time this was trialled the food waste was put in the garden waste bin but it was decided it was unsafe to compost meat that way and cancelled.

Slightly related, somebody dumped about a dozen chicken carcasses at Egremont Beach the other day, they were spilling out of a heavy black bin bag on the seawall lower ledge.

This illegal tipping area on the corner of Cleveland Street and Cavendish Street has started to be cleared. I have no idea who is paying for the clearance.

As I replied on the Parking Warden thread, they are issuing roughly 1000 PCNs per month, totalling about half a million pounds in 2023. Even though that is ridiculous, its not even touching the sides of the overall problem.

I don't like the way the council makes surrounding areas to pay-carparks no parking using the guise of road safety, at least one such road had no premises on it but had double yellow throughout. I strongly disagree with Birkenhead controlled zone, much of it is our business zone. Punishing people unnecessarily going to work doesn't gel with me. If every councillor went to council meetings and events by public transport at their own cost then I'd be more lenient but they aren't prepared to swallow their own medicine so shouldn't dish it out.

Totally agree on the Bebington Road Tesco, I hate driving in or out of that car park, people doing the weirdest of things because they are in a hurry.

No PCN's have been issued for Bebington Road between Jan 2022 and Mar 2024.

You can report parking problem areas to the Council https://my.wirral.gov.uk/service/Parking_problems but if its anything like Egremont Prom the wardens go at the wrong time of day so give as much detail as possible if you can.

Is there any traffic enforcement in Wirral any more? Double yellow lines appears to be interpreted as an invitation to park and traffic wardens seem to have gone the way of the dinosaurs here.

They are sorely needed outside the Bebington Road Tesco where double yellow lines are seen as an extension to their car park. They are greatly missed!

that will be our traveller community.

Do you think it was a genuine and reasonable peace offering? What surety did he offer to show it was genuine? Would you agree to give away UK mainland soil to an invader who had already taken land away previously?

Putin didn't stop at Crimea, he carried on his advance a few years later.

The big elephant in the room is "What would NATO have done if Ukraine had already been a member?"

I agree, most nation leaders are war mongers but that is because we follow history and agree that us the people will be ruled by our lords, they in turn see their function as keeping the surfs subservient, there is no greater subservience than giving your life away to someone else's beckoning.

When we stop voting for rich people, we will probably stop our war mongering, in the mean time "tea breaks over, back on your heads!".

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Before 2008 food bank usage was insignificant, it would have saved the Government and employers nothing. There is no correlation between food banks and the introduction of the minimum wage which was introduced in 1999. Prior to Thatcher there were other methods of wage control.

No, the Trussell Trust began the first food bank in 2000, due to people needing emergency food.
Blair had introduced minimum wage in 1999 which was £3.60 per hour. Some had been paid less than that, but as soon as minimum wage was introduced in UK , (as well as EU) it became the norm for any company to offer only minimum wage. Prior to that, it was competative wages as to what a company were prepared to offer.

Trusseell Trust network was rolled out nationwide in 2004 .

I didn't say that the FEBA was Government aligned or connected to Government. My point was that the 'food banks' continue to be expected to be operational, which in turn saves Governments lifting the Minimum Wage.
The FEBA is a Foundation, with highly paid officials, is a distributer of food to charities . Food poverty is initiated by low wages . So the 'foodbanks' and distribution of donated food from the public etc., is now extending to other charities. Ongoing.

FareShare is the UK's largest food redistribution charity, with 25 warehouses across the country. It takes food from the food industry that can't be sold in shops, either because of packaging errors, a short shelf life or overproduction.


Just as a matter of interest, when a 3 bed terraced house costs £1,750 per month to rent, how are families expected to manage or even have a roof over their head ? Then Governments complain because the benefit bill is too high. Of course it will be . BUT, now everyone is welcome and Starmer is about to make plans to build 1.5 million houses. Absolute rubbish ! Even if they do,, it won't be affordable for most either purchase or rental.

Looks as if we might be creeping back into EU, through the back door, so another waste of money and if so, and we'll have to take the Euro as our currency and a quota of migrants each year.

It was 2008 and the credit crunch that triggered UK food banks which was after Blair and their creation was not a Government matter. This was the same period that food banks grew around the world. The Conservative austerity measures then escalated food banks further in the UK.

The EU foodbank systems MDP then FEAD have never contributed to the UK foodbank systems.

The European Federation of Foodbanks (FEBA) is nothing to do with Governments other than advising them and getting some grants, it is an NGO. Fairshare is a member of FEBA which is the UK connection, Fairshare is also an NGO. FEAD aid/grants to FEBA have targeted 10 unspecified countries, it is unlikely the UK was one of them, there are members from 30 countries in FEBA.

The backlog in the immigration system is partly caused by the difficulty in returning immigrants, if the claimed country of origin doesn't agree to take them back, there is very little the UK can do about it. Normally it eventually happens after diplomatic negotiation but only after a substantial delay. The US has the same problem with Venezuela making it very difficult to return immigrants.

Processing immigrants is hard, without proof of the country of origin, you cannot return them, evidence has to be found which is time consuming.

The original Rwanda proposal/brief was for it to partly be an extended processing centre for non-straightforward cases, it has changed considerably since then.

I've long thought that a cruise liner anchored off the UK coast to take the illegal migrants onboard for processing , would have been an option. If they don't step on land I don't think they have entitlements. Those who failed the tests could be transported back to their homeland.

People compained about the cruelty of housing illegal migrants in the 'barge'. That is luxury accommodation, campared to cabins on Merchant vessels, staff cabins on cruise liners, and cabins on submarines where they go away for months on end.

It's particulalry annoying that so many young men have abandoned their wives and children, most of them from Muslim background will be married with family, and been given asylum in this country. If they work, they might send their earnings back home, but that drains our system .

Also, now we see that 220 of those expected to go to Rwanda have been given bail. Who has paid for the bail conditions ? Plus there are too many crooked lawyers working on their behalf in this country. It's all money in the pot for them at the tax payers expense.

Remember the plea for clothes, tents, blankets on here by a particular member, all those years ago, to be sent to Calais for the migrants ? Initiated by Claire someone from Heswall. She's continued running that 'Care4Calais' until recently, but she had a bad track record and was having an affair with an illegal migrant.

Another thing I came across is the 'foodbank' senario. Europe has a federation for foodbanks which includes the UK. Launched in USA in 1986, Blair triggered the food banks in this country, it was a way to keep wages low for businesses, and to expect the people to feed the people. Very sort of 'kibutz' style and we seem to be moving further andd futher to Kibutz way of living. Children being cared for whilst mothers are expeted to go out to work. The promise of free schools breakfast for every child ! Breakfast clubs,After school clubs, cleaning teeth lessons, potty training lessons... so it goes on. Let the mothers have the contributios to childcare and allow them to stay at home with their babies,and also increase the population that we are apparently so worried about ?
Now a European Federation is big business under the guise of caring. Comes under 'FareShare' in UK.

https://www.eurofoodbank.org/#

Grrrrrrrrrrr !!!

Putin offered peace long ago but glorious Britain stood in and put an end to that, the only people who get anything from war is the war mongers.

The Cleveland arms in new ferry would be sure to assist, give Ann a call or pop in and see her.

If less fuss had been made about an almost non-existent problem, the attractiveness of coming to the UK might not have been have become a thing. There has always been a background number of illegal immigrants and to an extent the numbers are self-regulating due to lack of opportunities here.

Illegals have no benefits, no health care, very few employers, no justice system, very few landlords that will house them and they run the risk of entering illegal slavery. What would be the attraction of that?

What cost to the UK is an illegal immigrant? Virtually nothing! But when the Government start throwing billions of pounds at it, it is easy to convince potential immigrants that the Government are protecting something that is worth coming here for.

However. it is too late, the fuss has been made, money has been wasted, the problem exists and nobody has come up with a solution.

This political footballing is paralleling the anomaly of benefit cheating whereby far more money and time is thrown at it than the problem actually costs.

Remind me who was against having a national ID card, was it people who had nothing to hide, or those that can exploit its absence? It is getting harder and harder to get by in society without proving your ID and this has been a lot more difficult with paperless billing becoming the norm.

So we can't shoot them, Rwanda was never going to work and we won't smash the gangs, Twit is right Granny.
It turns out that physical barriers in the channel are against Maritime International law even though it would save lives and deter small boats crossing the channel which apparently is what all these MP's are concerned about, saving lives.

What next, have a cruise ship on stand by in France to bring them here safely?
As part of we must do our bit in agreement with Europe.

I'll keep this one short then

If the illegal immigrants and gangs can find each other, then the intelligence services can also find them - it just takes the will to do it.

Not that for one second do I believe there will be a true will to achieve this. why would there be? It doesn't make financial sense, it is just a political football!

My 4 penneth, is probably not likely to be of any great interest, but I'll contribute, like so many others should do as we clearly have all had an opinion on the GE and our politicians.

For myself, I didn't vote. The first time in my life. I could no longer support the Tories, and Labour are a mixed bag of undercover marxists etc. Neither do I think Starmer will last the term, which is concerning should Rayner reach her desired poistion.

Mrs May buggered Brexit, initially, to unravel her original agreement was a battle of wills, so far as I could understand. Boris followed, and with all considerations, he had little time to do much, firstly contracting Covid, the lockdowns, and the recovery, with Dominic Cummings playing his hand behind the scenes, who even admitted on BBC interview that Boris was used and the intention was to remove him from office asap. Boris didn't want 'lockdown'. These are the devious games played within the highest office in the land.

There was so much infighting in the party, it was fairly obvious it was crumbling within. Sunak arrived without being elected, and proceeded to ditch all the promises and Manifesto of 2019. He thought he could do things better, by throwing money at everything.
I understand that global affairs have played a big part, but my own thoughts are the Tories were grasping at straws for the last two years.

So far as the migrants travelling across the channel, Starmer is going to 'smash the gangs'. Twit !!
How does he thinks he'll do that ? The 'gangs' are all over the world and mostly in African countries at the moment.
Remember Gadaffi , who tried to blackmail in return for stopping millions of people making their way across to Europe ? Well, we killed him, and now we see what's happening, and the 'gangs' are out of Starmer's reach. So we could go back to Cameron's premiership and figure out how his actions have contributed.

Many of the illegal migrants come from countries that speak French as their second language, and as many of them have been refused refugee status in France, one has to wonder why.
The Rwanda policy seemed a sham, however, if we are now pulling out, I bet any money another European country will pick up on an offer and ship their own illegal migrants to the place we set up.

Of course, the illegals will continue to arrive. When they are sending photo's of their 4 star accommodation to their friends in distant lands, who wouldn;t want to join the happy throng ?
One point that really makes me wonder,....... if many of these migrants crossing the channel have come from countries where they earn just a few shillings a day, how on earth do they afford £1000's to pay traffickers.

I did read that they can have their passage on 'tick' and pay back when they get here. Another insentive for them to join criminal activities but that would indicate there are already ' gang masters' operating throughout the UK.
Now we don;t have enough prison places.

Basically, we are stuffed and Starmer and Sunak should have put their heads together on this long ago, instead of the likes of Braveman a Patel trying to be innovative. It's IMO a national emergency which needs combating .

I have no confidence in this new Government, but I suppose we have to give them a chance to prove something .

Legal migration is different, and I don;t think most have a problem with that.

My post is longer than your's DD> Whoop ! So there.

If we didn't treat people as a commodity by importing them when we need them then we could tighten rules. Interestingly Enoch Powell championed bringing mass immigrants in to work despite most people believing he was anti-immigration. We need to train existing members of the population instead of relying on immigrants, we are not short of people.

At the end of the day unless you are prepared to shoot unwanted immigrants (which I hope you are not) then there is very little you can do, as successive Governments have found despite putting their neck on the line thinking they could resolve the problems.

You cannot send immigrants back to another country without the cooperation of that country, we passed the "travelled through a safe third country" rule which was obviously targeted at France but it is often toothless without France agreeing to take back the individuals. You can criminalise double returnees but the jails are full and expensive.

I would tend to disagree about plenty of benefits and freebies, they are amongst the worst in Europe.

The only developed country that has made significant control is Australia which has resulted in the problem passing to New Zealand. Just thank yourself that you don't live in Greece.

Eventually there will be mass evacuation of a lot of Southern countries as global temperatures rise and there exists nations that can't afford the infrastructure to cope. The world population needs to run down in anticipation but capitalism encourages the increase of the population to be able to exploit more people cheaply. We should be putting our solar panels etc in the southern countries to both increase those countries' economy and provide sustainable energy. Lack of investment encourages emigration.