WikiWirral Wirral's Biggest Online Forum
Forum Statistics
Forums65
Topics76,473
Posts1,033,992
Members14,851
Most Online80,173
Apr 25th, 2025
Who's Online Now
12 members (Alanbentley, 2 invisible), 23,814 guests, and 686 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Top Posters
sunnyside 45,164
MattLFC 22,315
Mark 21,269
granny 17,810
_Ste_ 16,347
Newest Members
BCD2025, barmbo, CathyCool, Marc_D, han_3008
14,851 Registered Users
New General Forums
Back To CB, Again! Yet Again!
by TheGodSplinter - 21st Apr 2025 2:29pm
Last person to post wins...
by GaryB - 9th Oct 2007 9:15pm
New Wirral History
Looking For Info On Stone Water Fountain
by Erainn - 20th May 2025 2:03pm
Phoenix Bungalows
by bert1 - 17th May 2025 11:23am
Birkett Scheme.
by bert1 - 8th May 2025 8:25am
70% houses damaged
by bert1 - 5th May 2025 3:10pm
Wartime Scouts.
by bert1 - 2nd May 2025 4:11pm
Top Posters(30 Days)
bert1 17
joney 3
Topic Replies
Looking For Info On Stone Water Fountain
by diggingdeeper - 21st May 2025 7:38am
Boode Memorial Breck Road Wallasey, The
by diggingdeeper - 19th May 2025 8:56am
Jorvik mt11 trike
by KevinFinity - 17th May 2025 11:52pm
Witches Circle Bidston Hill
by KevinFinity - 17th May 2025 11:50pm
PLATT - Wirral Colliery
by bert1 - 17th May 2025 2:28pm
Phoenix Bungalows
by bert1 - 17th May 2025 11:23am
Brackenwood Lane
by Longnails - 15th May 2025 12:25pm
More Bins
by Longnails - 15th May 2025 12:16pm
70% houses damaged
by bert1 - 14th May 2025 7:23am
May
M T W T F S S
1 2 3 4
5 6 7 8 9 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30 31
Top Likes Received (30 Days)
bert1 3
Top Likes Received
bert1 26
casper 4
Mark 4
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
#1085532 16th Dec 2024 7:16pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 14,493
Likes: 31
Wiki Master
OP Offline
Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 14,493
Likes: 31
I've often said the if you force targets on people you end up with liars and cheats, this was my suspicion in the Lucy Letby "baby murderer" case. Here was a hospital department failing badly on targets.

Lucy was convicted without any hard evidence, primarily on statistics and opinion, here are some points to consider ....


A number of senior statisticians have stated that the way the statistics were used and interpreted was completely unsafe.

Her own boss admitted that she had made misleading statements.

The medical expert has changed his mind about three of the cases and now believes they were not murder.

The systems used to show when she was on the ward have been blown apart as totally unreliable data.

A lot of accusations happened retrospectively after considerable periods of time, it took over a year for this supposed information of murder to filter up the management chain.

The department's consultants will be very aware that some of the deaths could end their careers.

There was a huge trial by media with a heavy bias towards her being guilty.

To me it smells of a scapegoat scenario for a failing department or plain bad luck. She might be guilty, she might not, but she is innocent until proven guilty and there is no credible evidence that she is guilty. There undoubtedly has been some unsafe convictions against her.


We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn

https://ddue.uk
1 member likes this: Gibbo
Google Ads
diggingdeeper #1085568 16th Jan 2025 1:33pm
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 2,293
Likes: 3
Forum Master
Offline
Forum Master
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 2,293
Likes: 3
There used to be a band of dedicated Letby supporters who would post frequently on social media or newspaper comments pages about her being scapegoated and hidden from the media (until it all came out).

These comments used to be quickly deleted.

diggingdeeper #1085615 4th Feb 2025 3:54pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 14,493
Likes: 31
Wiki Master
OP Offline
Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 14,493
Likes: 31
Common sense is starting to prevail https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...lucy-letby-conviction-expert-panel-finds

That statement also concurs with what I hypothesised previously about a a failing department looking for a scape goat.

This could be a travesty for Letby, the justice system and the families of the babies involved in this case. Not only would the families find out their babies weren't murdered but also they may have died through medical negligence.

Quote
the Countess of Chester’s neonatal unit was overworked, understaffed, had plumbing issues and was staffed by “inadequate numbers of appropriately trained” clinicians. It said there were “numerous problems” in the care of the 17 babies, including a failure to properly carry out “basic medical procedures, delays in their treatment and the misdiagnosis of diseases"

Quote
“so many problems with the medical care” of the babies and nothing to support the claim they were attacked

Furthermore, if the prosecutors misrepresented evidence in court, is that not perjury?

I also raise questions as to why the identity of some of the witnesses in court were kept secret, there is absolutely no reason in a case like this for that to occur. Perhaps without that anonymity their damning statements may not have been the same?


We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn

https://ddue.uk

Moderated by  Mod 

Link Copied to Clipboard
Random Wirral Images

Click to View Topic.
Newest Topics
Looking For Info On Stone Water Fountain
by Erainn - 20th May 2025 2:03pm
Phoenix Bungalows
by bert1 - 17th May 2025 11:23am
Brackenwood Lane
by Longnails - 15th May 2025 12:25pm
Witches Circle Bidston Hill
by Beaty59 - 14th May 2025 7:43pm
Work Adjacent to West Float
by Excoriator - 10th May 2025 6:13pm
For Sale & Free
Jorvik mt11 trike
by Dilly - 27th Oct 2024 3:49pm
Member Spotlight
diggingdeeper
diggingdeeper
Wirral
Posts: 14,493
Joined: July 2008
Today's Birthdays
There are no members with birthdays on this day.
New Wirral Info
Work Adjacent to West Float
by Excoriator - 10th May 2025 6:13pm
Unexpected development
by Excoriator - 23rd Apr 2025 4:45pm
Fire inHamilton Square station
by Excoriator - 11th Apr 2025 4:55pm
News : New Topics
Brackenwood Lane
by Longnails - 15th May 2025 12:25pm
Are our local councillors all insane?
by Excoriator - 20th Mar 2025 10:32am
New Ferry regeneration
by Excoriator - 16th Mar 2025 4:22pm
More Bins
by diggingdeeper - 19th Jul 2024 11:05am
Wallasey woman arrested following knifing incident
by _jase_ - 8th Sep 2010 4:02pm
New Enthusiast Forums
Witches Circle Bidston Hill
by Beaty59 - 14th May 2025 7:43pm
ooh Top of the pops
by GaryFromWirral - 10th May 2025 10:15am
My House is Haunted Series
by Longnails - 3rd May 2025 2:36pm
Physio advice please
by Longnails - 3rd May 2025 2:25pm
Popular Topics(Views)
10,362,343 CW Chat room thread
5,610,063 WIKI WALK CHAT
4,438,188 Spotted!
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5