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Posted By: BMW Joe Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 22nd Aug 2007 10:58pm
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Originally Posted by Introduction
Added : 10th March 2008 intro text.

This topic is long but worthy of its reading.
It shows the investigation, the planning and the discoveries,
along the way. Pictures from inside the tunnels, video's also
and the locations of the entrances. This topic is forever expanding
as we find more information. We hope you enjoy this topic
as we have researching and discovering inside those tunnels.


Earlier, I came across a random site with a discussion about Bidston Hill Underground tunnels which I never knew even existed.

So I looked into it a bit more....

Originally Posted by www.23dayslater.co.uk
Aparantly, there are also tunnels under Bidston Hill and New Brighton too.

More tunnels exisit by MSF Ford in Hind Street, Birkenhead. (leading under Market Street to Woodside)

"If you go to the junction of Worcester Road and Boundary Road there is an electric substation. There is a manhole cover about 10ft from the door which has been grassed over now. That had a ladder leading down a ventilation shaft into the tunnels. The tunnels go under the Proudman Oceanographic place and for some distance towards the other side of Bidston Hill."


It goes on to say that they are all sealed up now.

Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 2 ( Read after this topic ) Click Me
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2007 10:55am
So if it's sealed up, there is probably little chance of us being able to get in there now?
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2007 11:27am
Right am off out guys, gonna have a little exploration at some time today, takin me camera with me.

smile
Posted By: jonah Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2007 11:30am
nice one fella, good hunting, get some top pics...
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2007 2:06pm
Well I found it, took about 20 mins to find lol. I got some good photos and video.

It is possibly breachable, but not by knocking it through, it would take an act of god to knock it through.

For someone to try, they would need balls, big balls, and mine arnt big enough to try lol.

I will post photos after I sorted em (as usual I took a fair few lol, although not too many around the entrance I must admit).

smile
Posted By: CustomIce Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2007 2:49pm
Post 'em i'm proper interested now
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2007 3:29pm
well done fella wink

Throw a google earth up showing where you were too wink
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2007 3:45pm
All in good time... I got a better way then Google Earth of showing where abouts it is hehe.

smile
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2007 4:41pm
Right well here are the photos:

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This is the entrance to the tunnels, as you can see it is quite heavily cemented, more on that later. The girder in the front is actually to hold the cement, I read on 28 days later that one person thought it was the top of the entrance, I dont think so, the whole cutting into the rock is the entrance imho.

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This is the hole that "may" be breachable. I think this is the only chance anyone really has of getting in because the cement is extremely well done.

I had a closer view of the hole, and the door can be seen. I kinda think the black bit is the door.

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This is a shot to give you some ideal of how well cemented is it. I have placed my phone (Siemens S25, so its not dead small or anything) on the cement to give some perspective. I did try a cola bottle but it wouldnt stay stood up.

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Another shot to give some perspective on the cementing. Again my phone is in the shot, almost in the centre of the shot. You can see clearly how much cement they used.

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This shot is standing on top of the cement looking downwards, again my phone is in the photo for perspective. Again, you can see they have used a massive amount of cement. You may also notice that there is a steel girder within the concrete, in reference to my point earlier that the girder in front is to hold the cement in place.

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The hole with a Coca Cola bottle in the way to give some perspective of the size of the hole.

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Another shot with the Coca Cola bottle to give perspective against the size of the hole. You can see that a normal sized person would be able to squeeze through, its actually quite big. Whoever started this hole certainly intended to break through.

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Another shot from further back, it looks a bit of a mess on photos but its not so scrappy when you are there.

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Another shot of the whole thing, this time from the right angle, you can see the hole is quite big again.

Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2007 4:45pm
And heres a short video I made of where abouts it is and whats it like:

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Posted By: jonah Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2007 5:06pm
thumbsup top work there matty, nicely done vid too, its just such a shame that rather than let the public investigate wirrals wat-time history, the council/goverment past and present would rather keep it all hidden, do they not realise the revenue they could make from this, like with the warships/sub that were at the four bridges site...? well done on ur investigation mate.. clap
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2007 5:35pm
First i'm glad you went with extra water supplies.
Second the blair Matty Project

Amazing stuff wink

Well done, i still think we could get pomp in that hole learn
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2007 5:42pm
Haha I didnt take a drink - that was sum litter I found by it lmao!

Eeeee I wouldnt drink Orange Coke or whatever it is lmao!
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2007 6:05pm
Nice work mate thumbsup
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2007 6:07pm
wierd, that must be were my father and that took me when i was a kid, i thought they were caves, didn`t know they led to the tranmere tunnels.
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2007 6:24pm
Compare this [Linked Image]

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Someone has deffo been trying already wink

The top image is taken from the 28 days later forums.
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2007 6:27pm
cool pics an vid smile

Now I know where it is, I walked past it on the way to Tescos like...where the fook is it?! lol

Yeah, I could easily squeeze in there without breaking any of the concrete away.

Would be very interesting to see it from the inside and see how tough the door is.
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2007 6:28pm
its been Pomped !
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2007 6:31pm
According to the 28dl forums, its about 10mm thick.

There is also a ventilation shaft further up the hill, but on the other side of Boundary Rd. I will check that out sometime too, I couldnt really remember where it was earlier on frown
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2007 6:33pm
Next time I go up i think it will be better to print out maps.

Also considering taking a shovel lol incase the shaft is grassed over but dunno yet.

smile
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2007 6:42pm
your on a mission now smile
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2007 6:53pm
Yeah man, next time am down that way, am lookin for the other entrance too, its supposed to be 100 yards to the left of the main entrance...

think
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2007 8:15pm
Is the pic above the "Main Entrance" ?
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2007 8:20pm
I think so yes, im not 100% sure, but I cant see it being the "hidden" entrance as its far too big and in ya face lol.

Ill find out though next time I am there, maybe tomorrow or Sunday.

smile
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2007 9:27pm
Give us a pm if you want a hand mate smile
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2007 9:37pm
Shall do fella. smile
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2007 9:57pm
don't hold yu breath Tim don't reply to pm's !
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2007 10:01pm
me pm bix is full atm lol, i like it that way haha!

Get too many pm's sometimes.

smile
Posted By: SoundLad Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2007 10:24pm
The hidden entrance is near a place called the rods i think where that is ??? Not sure though...!!! But rumour has it theres an entrance door inside the Bidston lighthouse ?
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2007 10:27pm
Bidston Light House ???

Where's Bidston light house ??

There's so many new places lol
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2007 10:30pm
Originally Posted by Mark
Bidston Light House ???

Where's Bidston light house ??

There's so many new places lol


exactly what i thought???
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2007 10:34pm
Bidston lighthouse:

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Can be seen behind the observatory, ill find a better photo in a min.

smile
Posted By: SoundLad Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2007 10:43pm
Yer apparant in the lighthouse theres a trap door entering the Tunnel.. Its one of the Emergency Exits apprant. I'll have to do some research...
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2007 10:45pm
Not the best shot ever, but its okay, me laptops doin about a million things atm so its not very happy with image processing in CS3 lol:

[Linked Image]

Put online especially for Wiki hehe!

smile
Posted By: SoundLad Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2007 10:51pm
Hey thats a good pic of the LH matt smile nice one...
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2007 10:51pm
I know what and where Bidston Lighthouse is now smile
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2007 10:53pm
Cheers, I got better ones on me media centre (as in better lighting, colour etc) but not on me laptop lmao.

Mentioning the lighthouse actually made me realise I aint got a single photo of it online on me website haha!

So cheers! thumbsup
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2007 10:53pm
Originally Posted by Mark
I know what and where Bidston Lighthouse is now smile

Lol, you just needed ya memory jogging hehe wink
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2007 11:00pm
I remember reading on that 28dayslater that someones back garden on bidston hill village has an entrance?

Anyone else heard of this??
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2007 11:02pm
Yeah i was looking over it last night. Apparently the garden has an entrance, but someone on the site asked permission to use it in a past thread and the guy seemed to recall the person was told a very blunt N-O lol.

I have an idea where the house is, dunno if im right like, but there is one just above the main entrance site I was before, although when I say just above it is a bit high and far away.

frown
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2007 11:08pm
Oh well, have to respect others privacy i suppose...

Bummer frown
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2007 11:09pm
Probably using the tunnels for a secret wine stash..
Or Polish Housing (Joke)
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2007 11:39pm
lol, you could be right wink
Posted By: jonah Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 30th Aug 2007 7:32am
apparently there are a few entrances/exits and various ventilation shafts....
Posted By: CustomIce Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 30th Aug 2007 8:55am
Good pics matty.


There must be a useable entrance somewhere, and i'd hazzard a guess it'll be fairly well secured, so in the lighthouse is likely. Anyone know who works there?
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 30th Aug 2007 10:10am
Afaik, the lighthouse is under private ownership - I think it summit to do with the observatory but that was turned into flats a while back, i dunno if it still is however??
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 30th Aug 2007 9:19pm
Well I went back there tonight, and found what appears to be the remains of two other entrances.


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There was apparently an entrance behing the stones and concrete here, but a mount of mud was also built upto it to cover it.

Id say it isnt the best protected to entrances, although that is in known saying its easy to breach, it would take a considerable amount of elbow grease, but either way I think it would be easier then the main entrance.

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Another view of the second entrance.

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Now, I am not entirely sure, but according to peeps on the 28 days later thread, this entrance is another one, that has practically been left unprotected, other then by the mud, basically because its quite well hidden and not very noticeable.

I didnt have time to try anything or have a proper look though, I was just hoping to find it.

smile


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Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 30th Aug 2007 9:28pm
Oh yeah, its quite an eery place to go on you own, especially as its been a dull day, was starting to get dark and the surrounding area of the second entrance location is quite overgrown...

When I seen the path that led to it, I wasnt gonna go up there at first n just hope it was elsewhere, but curiosity got the better of me lol.

And it didnt help the fact there was summit rummaging around in the bushes next to it, not to mention a massive fallen tree that looked like it was a prop for a horror movie lmao!!

grin
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 30th Aug 2007 10:02pm
Comeon peeps, lets make an effort.

I can go tomorrow if anyone when i`m back from auctions if anyone wants to go?


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Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 30th Aug 2007 11:15pm
I knew curiosity would get the better of you..
Good work again matty.
Posted By: CustomIce Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 31st Aug 2007 11:55am
Hmmmmmm, iiiinteresting.

Good work Matty finding the other enterances.
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 31st Aug 2007 6:54pm
Heres the first two:

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Ste (Totopop) burrowing...

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Whelan going in to save Ste lol!


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Posted By: Wheels Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 31st Aug 2007 6:57pm
lol, you had to show my @rse!

im sure mark will post your butt pic too tease
Posted By: Pomp Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 31st Aug 2007 7:00pm
*pomp is w8ing patiently for more photo's to be posted*

*while he is waiting he laughs at the pics already posted up raftl *

lol just jokin laugh
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 31st Aug 2007 7:02pm
Just a bit more patience Pomp matey, they need stamping and editing before they go up wink
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 31st Aug 2007 7:25pm
They are ready now, me upload is being gobbled by YouTube though, so give it 20 mins or so and I will have em up lol.

smile
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 31st Aug 2007 7:29pm
Oh aye, we found a Tux in the woods too:

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Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 31st Aug 2007 8:06pm
These are my pics, of Tunnel 1 Main Entrance.



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Posted By: Wheels Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 31st Aug 2007 8:12pm
lmao. nice smile
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 31st Aug 2007 8:17pm
more


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Posted By: Waddi Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 31st Aug 2007 8:21pm
So did you actually get into the tunnels?
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 31st Aug 2007 8:32pm
Originally Posted by Waddi
So did you actually get into the tunnels?
err yes and no....

Did we run around the caves shouting Awwwwww haaaaa
No...

Did we look into the Tunnels and see a door going off to the
left YES

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Posted By: jonah Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 31st Aug 2007 8:35pm
could u not really get into there ? is it really well sealed up ?
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 31st Aug 2007 8:38pm
Its not as sealed as we first thought when we got there to be honest.
There was a Black Wooden Board covering a Hole that was cut into the metal and bent over in 2 places.

Funny when Whelan pushed the wood and it fell inwards with out any resistance lol.

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Posted By: Waddi Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 31st Aug 2007 8:41pm
Why oh why was I in work today?
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 31st Aug 2007 8:48pm
It could be re visited wink

But more of wearing a better artier lol

As in scruffy clothes, gloves, ropes and step ladders.
Posted By: Waddi Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 31st Aug 2007 8:51pm
or even better, pair of old jeans, worky boots, hi-vis vests, hard hats, cones with zoning off tape and clipboards etc. make us look like officials.

no-one questions you if you have a clipboard and hi-vis vest...
Posted By: jonah Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 31st Aug 2007 8:56pm
better idea waddi ............ thumbsup yipee
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 31st Aug 2007 8:59pm
Were thinking of going in at the TOP ?
There is another way in from the top.

http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=208868&postcount=47

See attachment

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Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2007 12:10am
Here is an interesting story I have come across courtousey of both 28dayslater.co.uk and Google:

Originally Posted by icWirral/Wirral News Group
Minutes of Wirral’s Civil Defence Emergency Committee in 1941 reveal that the peninsula’s skilled workforce saw it granted almost unprecedented funds to establish two deep air raid shelters, one sprawling under Tranmere under Olive Mount, Thompson Street and Holborn Hill, the other under Bidston Hill’s Rhododendron Garden, its entrance facing Hoylake Road.

Tickets were to be handed out to ensure access to residents in the event of a raid.

By June 1943 the final bill for the project was £48,006, with the corporation paying £6,510.

The tunnels were 7ft wide and 6ft 6in high with an arched roof.

A report in January 1943 advised that due to the unreliable nature of the rock, costs increased, and it was noted that the unskilled labour available had been markedly inferior to the Tranmere Shelter.

Less explosives were required in Bidston, and the spoil was tipped close to the entrance - which accounts for the rise in the ground on the grassed area near Hoylake Road.


Originally Posted by icWirral/Wirral News Group
Emergency committee minutes also reveal that during construction the project was plagued with trespassers and vandalism - not just a modern problem!

Nine-hundred-and-fifty tons of sand were sold to a contractor for building purposes.

Although it never saw the scale of use it was intended for, tickets do exist and people did shelter under Bidston, there were 2,213 bunks and 793 seats, as well as a canteen, staff dormitory, toilets, medical aid post and a ventilation shaft which could double as an emergency escape hatch.

Chair of Bidston Preservation Society, Peter Crawford, has conducted meticulous research into the shelter.

He said: “As a child I remember seeing the escape shaft building on Bidston Hill. It was a brick structure 8ft tall, and inside were a series of ladders which meant people could get out if the Rhododendron Garden entrance was hit.


Originally Posted by icWirral/Wirral News Group
“After the war it was a real problem for the police because if someone got in there and got into trouble there was very little chance of them being found - this was a structure that could house 3,000 people and it was totally dark.

“In the 1960s they saw it as a place that could be of use because of the Cold War, but there was a lot of dry rot in the timberwork.”

Peter hopes that with the right investment, Wirral could make the most of the Bidston shelter - as a tourist attraction revealing the true nature of the home front in the area.

He added: “The people working in the dockland were irreplaceable, skilled labour was vital and structures like the Bidston shelter show how seriously the threat was taken.”

Do you have any memories of accessing the tunnels in the 1950s?


Originally Posted by icWirral/Wirral News Group
As the police reports show, this was an extremely dangerous site, and it is worth pointing out to would-be adventurers that thanks to the careful application of huge amounts of concrete, the interior is utterly inaccessible.

But deep down below the medical room, the broken siren and the tunnels are still there...

A POLICE report from April 6, 1960 reads that they should “brick up completely the ventilating shaft, to weld a steel door in place and secure the inside by means of a lock.”

Earlier on April 29, 1959, officer R Gibson had written in a report: “There is nothing of value, lavatory pans and wash basins are long broken.

“Intersecting walls have been pushed down and continue to be a dangerous obstruction in the dark.


Originally Posted by icWirral/Wirral News Group
“Electrical switch gear is broken and corroded beyond repair and on one landing bay 30 feet up the emergency escape shaft the siren is so corroded it is doubtful whether it could ever be made serviceable.

“The steel ladder is in four sections and shows signs of considerable oxidisation.

“To use the emergency escape shaft one has to mount 85 rungs of the ladder to the landing bay.”

He describes the depth of the access shaft as 80ft.

“As supervisor, at this portion of the tunnel an injured or dead person could lie here undiscovered for an indeterminate length of time.

“It is not difficult to imagine how long a body could remain effectively secluded in this maze of tunnels. In view of the great danger and the uselessness of the tunnel in this condition, it is suggested that it is permanently secured.”

Source: icWirral/Wirral News Group
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2007 12:17am
very interesting read, i was just about to post that one my self.
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2007 12:21am
I suppose its a case of read into what you will - some of it will be true, some of it will be falsified to deter interest from the site.

But what they dont realise, is thats all part of the fun, the anticipation of not knowing and the finding out what actually is in there.

A few people have said on the 28dayslater.co.uk forums that there is hundreds, if not thousands of steel beds (apparently there was capacity for upto 3000 people in the shelter) and army machinery (including a massive old air raid siren - one of the kids mentioned that before too) etc...

Also, at least one person has stated that it was actually across three levels.

There is supposedly a book available with a map of the tunnels in, I may pop along to the library tomorrow morning and get a library card or whatever to get the book out, im sure they will have it as its a local issue book.

Would be good if we can find a map!

smile
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2007 2:33am
I have heard (dunno if it was on 28dl) that the council went down about 10 years ago and said they were damp, dark and cold places of no interest to the public.

So maybe the council have been down there since they were closed??

But yeah, working it out, they must have been done pre-1995, I was working it out to approx 1991/92 before from what you said and the lads said, but can't be sure, but id say it would have to be at least a decade or so.

smile
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2007 2:37am
Found what I was talking about:

Originally Posted by 28dayslater.co.uk
It is a similar grid layout but wasn't finished until after the war. It's had a variety of uses from fire service training, customs & excise store and now it's just a plain old class 1 nuclear bunker. It's completely sealed up and I have never met anyone that has been inside.

The local council went inside about 10 years ago and called it "damp, dark and featureless" so wouldn't consider opening it to the public.
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2007 2:37am
Originally Posted by MattLFC
the council went down about 10 years ago and said they were damp, dark and cold places of no interest to the public.

smile


LOL They would say that ;P
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2007 2:38am
Originally Posted by Totopop
Originally Posted by MattLFC
the council went down about 10 years ago and said they were damp, dark and cold places of no interest to the public.

smile


LOL They would say that ;P

Why of course lol, what they dont realise is when they say things like that, instead of its purpose of deterring people from taking an interest, it actually heightens interest in the site lol.

grin
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2007 9:54am
That would be good smile

We need to have a closer look, any one coming down?
Me Matty, Totopop and Whelan are on our way if your interested smile
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2007 5:15pm
1. Tunnel Entrance (Graffiti walls)
2. New Find Possible Shaft
3. Needs to be checked out.
4. Possible entrance ??


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Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2007 5:45pm
I 'accidently' found what that circle thing might be in some old history books I have...

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Aparantly, it says its an old cock-pit where in the 1930's, cock-fighting took place. It is also suggested that it may be foundations of the old mill from the 1890's.
Posted By: jonah Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2007 5:51pm
The Birkenhead News reported that Peter Crawford, Chair of Bidston Preservation Society has researched into memories of the deep air raid shelters built under Bidston Hill and under Tranmere in 1941. The tunnels were 7 ft wide and 6 ft high. 2,213 bunks and 793 seats were provided as well as a canteen and toilets. The tunnels were blocked up in the 1950s
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2007 6:31pm
Humm another variation to the thicken the plot.

Got to go out so will catch up later smile
Posted By: Wheels Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2007 6:33pm
I did originally think this was an Anti aircraft position
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but i have been unable to prove it.

so i searched the whole WWW and it is possibly an old mill like this one from 1937. the round stone shape looks about right but on a smaller scale due to it being a hand driven mill and our picture being a more powerful windmill. I don't think they would put an Anti Aircraft gun on the hill as it would then make Bidston hill and the underlying tunnels a target? rather they have it look as just a unused hill?.




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Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2007 6:41pm
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Its somewhere around where i have circled the round patch of grass we used to call the turntable where horses were trained


There may be something in that quote from 28days
as a centre post and the horses go round and round??
or is that the other place with the black arrow??

http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=208868&postcount=47
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2007 6:49pm
nah it isnt the place with the black arrow who knows what that was meant to be?

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Posted By: jonah Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2007 8:02pm
could try and find this book in the library...

Wirral on the Home Front 1939-45 Cost £11.95
Ian Boumphrey Postage £2.25
Ian Boumphrey
128pp A4 colour More



Following the interest shown in his previous three publications concerning the Second World War on the Home Front in the Wallasey and Birkenhead areas, Ian has decided to compile a book which covers the whole of the Wirral Peninsula, including many reminiscences of those who lived through the war years in Wirral.
This book is focusing more on the role of the Civil Defence: - Air Raid Wardens; Observer Corps; WVS; Women‘s Land Army; Messenger Service and especially the Home Guard, within Wirral including: Ellesmere Port; Little Sutton; Bromborough; Bebington; Burton; Heswall; Thurstaston; West Kirby; Hoylake; Moreton; Greasby; Wallasey and Birkenhead. I have included details of how many local schools coped including: Wallasey High School; Wallasey Grammar School; Puddydale School, Heswall; Wirral Grammar School for boys and for girls; Birkenhead School; Calday Grammar School; Upton Convent and Holt Hill Convent.
Other subjects covered include: reminiscences of Guernsey evacuees to Irby; Tranmere Tunnels & Bidston Tunnels - with maps; rationing - food, clothes etc; Wartime Weddings; Colonel Turner‘s Department [Decoy Sites] and Victory Celebrations etc.
The book is illustrated with over 180 pictures of which over 100 are in full colour - including War-time Posters and comic postcards of the time; also pictures of various Home Guard and other Civilian Defence units - including: Irby; Pensby; Heswall; Hoylake; Wallasey; Thurstaston etc. 128 pages with 180 photographs including over 100 in full colour.

Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2007 8:05pm
I have it in the car hehe, its the one I got out the library this morning.

I will get it from the car in a bit and have a read through it.

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Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2007 8:12pm
ye should scan the map matey so it can be overlayed onto an ariel photo and maybe scan the relevant pages to keep on t'interweb wink
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2007 8:13pm
I aint got a scanner lmao - but I can easily use my camera, its perfect for text hehe.

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Posted By: jonah Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2007 8:14pm
nice one, found this too, but couldnt b arsed readin it all to find the relavant bit....
there are archive photographs and plans of the Tranmere and Bidston Hill. tunnels, and anyone who wishes to look at these can contact Rod to arrange. this. ...

www.wirral.gov.uk/minute/public/birkenhead_14968.pdf - 437k - View as html
Posted By: jonah Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2007 8:25pm
this sounds like another way in ?..... think
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If you go to the junction of Worcester Road and Boundary Road there is an electric substation. There is a manhole cover about 10ft from the door which has been grassed over now. That had a ladder leading down a ventilation shaft into the tunnels. The tunnels go under the Proudman Oceanographic place and for some distance towards the other side of Bidston Hill
Posted By: jonah Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2007 8:31pm
matty, this sounds like the picture u got over that persons wall.....
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Originally Posted by BidstonBaz
Though the red bricked house situated on top of hill (the club house as I know it) has an entrance leading down into the tunnels quite possibly in a hell of a lot better condition than that pictured. Though I'm sure somebody from the forums has already approached the owners but I cant remember what came of it.

dam it, i'm on a mission now........ wanna find some photo's. they must exist... think
Posted By: Wheels Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2007 8:39pm
i have a scanner if you want to use it smile
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2007 8:45pm
Originally Posted by jonah
matty, this sounds like the picture u got over that persons wall.....

dam it, i'm on a mission now........ wanna find some photo's. they must exist... think

Well yeah, the only problem is the house wasnt red. But still I am pretty certain there is an entrance to the tunnels from one of the houses, because I rekon this is the way the council enter the tunnels - they have a way in. Plus I have heard from a few people about there being another entrance via one of the houses up on the hill.

Yeah, its extremely interesting and fascinating, it will keep us all out of trouble for a while at least haha!

If the photo's dont come up as good as we'd like Whelan fella, ill let you know, cheers!

smile
Posted By: Wheels Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2007 8:51pm
okly dokly

do you have any pics from today matty?
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2007 8:53pm
Aye I think there is a few on the camera, ill have a look in a bit smile
Posted By: jonah Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2007 9:22pm
Originally Posted by MattLFC
Originally Posted by jonah
matty, this sounds like the picture u got over that persons wall.....

dam it, i'm on a mission now........ wanna find some photo's. they must exist... think

Well yeah, the only problem is the house wasnt red. But still I am pretty certain there is an entrance to the tunnels from one of the houses, because I rekon this is the way the council enter the tunnels - they have a way in. Plus I have heard from a few people about there being another entrance via one of the houses up on the hill.

smile

the house on the corner of the path that led down to Eleanor rd was red tho !!!
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2007 9:24pm
Yeah, there is a red house on the hill thats for sure. But the one I took that photo in wasnt - I suppose I probably got it wrong lol.

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Posted By: jonah Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2007 9:35pm
there supposed to be a few shafts, so maybe that was one u got a pic of think
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2007 9:37pm
Possibly - the official count is only one, but that has to be bullshit, cos for a complex that size, they would need at least two backup shafts surely??

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Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2007 10:09pm
cock-pit? or part of the old mill?

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Posted By: jonah Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2007 10:16pm
good find joe, thats deffo wot we saw....
found this...
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heres some other interesting news facts, from wirrals Birkenhead news
one reader writes
>from Murrayfield Drive, we went across the fields to Bidston Hill.

On arriving there we noticed a steel door on the side of the hill (the side facing Hoylake Road) and the door was open, a couple of us went in and to our surprise found huge tunnels going an awfully long way under Bidston Hill.

Off the tunnels inside were rooms with painted signs, and huge electric motors with blades of them, like extraction fans.

I can also remember a big, red cross sign on one of the rooms, probably the sign of a small hospital ward.

I think alas, I saw holes in the ceiling with steel ladders going upwards.

These tunnels were not small affairs, and I have often wondered just what they were, and what they were used for.
More about Wirrals Tunnels here
http://icwirral.icnetwork.co.uk/news...name_page.html
Posted By: Wheels Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2007 10:25pm
this is all amazing stuff! top notch work everyone smile
Posted By: jonah Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2007 10:26pm
really wanna get inside these now....
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2007 10:27pm
Lol, we arnt the only ones who wanna get inside:

Posted By: Wheels Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2007 10:35pm
haha.

Send out emails to everyone saying be at biddy hill with a bucket and spade at 11am and tell em to pass the email on smile

we'll have a 1000 peeps turn up tease
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2007 10:45pm
Ive actually just recieved an email via YouTube from a guy in Chester asking about the Bidston Tunnels.

The same as most people, didnt even know they existed!

Havent let on too much, other then its an ongoing project etc, and to visit here and sign up for more info and discussion, but im finding it amazing how much interest there is.

And to think that the council just want to close this off and pretend it never existed - the whole reason why people simply dont know about it!

Its a part of our history, it should be accounted for and made known to the local public!

frown
Posted By: jonah Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2007 10:47pm
wifes nan and g/dad have lived in tranmere and surrondin areas all their lives, so will ask them if they no anything...
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2007 11:16pm
Lol quality, good thinking though to bring that topic back to life, we could find out more info hehe.

Whelan, the F-117A Mick The Dig lol!
Posted By: Wheels Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2007 11:18pm
yeah thats what i am hoping for, i would like the guy who did the plots on the map we used to re think them to be 100% sure.
Posted By: SoundLad Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 12:00am
When are you next going along to the tunnels cause i would like to show you all a spot near the Observatory which is intresting to say the least....
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 12:03am
I think there may be a small party going tomorrow, not sure though.

No plans have been made, although it was briefly mentioned earlier on just before we departed...

Anyone interested in going tomorrow??

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Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 12:28am
New reply to whelans quest for more information:

Originally Posted by 28dayslater.co.uk
All I remember is it was a brick building about 12ft square with a concrete roof somewhere in the area?.. problem is it was so long ago it may well of been removed and like you say totally overgrown

Hmmmm...
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 1:32am
Amazing - we will know it all soon, info all over the place.
we have to get in, take pics, then show them to the world lol...

I'm so chuffed with the response and participation by all smile

Matty you have pictures from to day mate ??
can you post them as we all have snippets and idea's smile
Never know my get us on another lead smile

I dont think the weather is too good for sunday.
lets play it by ear, and update our intentions by 12 noon ??
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 1:44am
I had some photo's before, but unless I took them off when I was sorting the zoom topic for Waddi, they are gone now as I formatted the memory card (im getting used to formatting when I have dumped the photo's now as it can be a pain when its over 1GB of photos just dumping a few off it, it can take a while to read em all before its red the newest ones that i actually want lol).

I didnt do it on the laptop though, so I shall have a look in a bit.

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Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 2:03pm
Thats another room in the corner thumbsup

Wicked


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Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 2:10pm
i`m well up for going in there smile
Posted By: Wheels Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 2:11pm
me too smile
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 2:15pm
Mwahhhhhhhh

The bug is awoken again lol....

Strangely it doesn't look that high up on ste,s pics from the
ground that opening...
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 4:13pm
Just reading this book and according to the map, there was an emergency exit on Brow Road...

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=brow+road&sll=53.389062,-3.091965&sspn=0.099713,0.2314&ie=UTF8&ll=53.402551,-3.070019&spn=0.001558,0.003616&t=k&z=18&om=1

Interesting, I don't believe we knew about this??

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Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 4:20pm
Oh and there is at least one other emergency exit, although the road name isnt listed and it appears to be near the main entrance on the map.

Im not sure if its the second entrance that is near the main entrance, the exit that is in the garden in the house on the hill, or maybe another exit that is by Vyner School or somewhere around there (the map suggests it should be around the corner to the left of the main entrance)...

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Posted By: Wheels Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 4:22pm
hmm but were? must be in the wooded area in the top of that map.

was that the bit called the 'rods'?. (were i parked my car)
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 4:29pm
Yeah, I would think it would be somewhere in the rods, but the Brow Rd exit can't be near either of the two entrances we found, see this map:


Description: The two entrances we have found are the red dots.
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Posted By: Wheels Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 4:30pm
just clicked the hybrid button and it shows that the gravel road that runs up to the house is also part of Brow Road so it could be just off that.
Posted By: krisGTi Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 4:55pm
are the pic's that ste posted from inside the the tunnles?
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 4:57pm
Yes, well from inside the entrance anyway.

If you look back a few pages, there are a few more too.

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Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 5:04pm
There's hardly any info on the net about these tunnels, I am surpised that both the Bidston Preservation society and Friends of Bidston Hill websites make not even a mention of them...

It's almost as though they never existed; I suppose thats what the council want though.

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Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 5:29pm
Here is a map of the tunnels:


Description: Source: "Wirral On The Home Front 1939-45" by Ian Boumphrey. ISBN 1-899241-24-8. Please visit www.yesterdayswirral.co.uk to purchase.
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Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 5:33pm
just look where those entrances are wink
bow road is a mystery, but i'm sure we have found the emergency escape shaft smile
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 5:35pm
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There is a N-E-S-W On the map think
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 5:52pm
just a quick overlay to check the main entrance is in the right place?

If I have the entrance in the right place then I can work out the scale from that shaft we found on the hill wink

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Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 6:01pm
Map positioned North
Aspect ratio preserved.
Covering 2 points Entrance and possible shaft ??

You can play this out a million ways think

Anyone got any dimensions of the tunnels ??


Description: Pure guessing no facts to say it is like this.
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Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 6:03pm
Project Background

It was at the Birkenhead Town Council meeting on the 11th of September 1940, that it was suggested that two large civillian air raid shelters could be built uner rock outcrops in Tranmere and Bidston.

Bidston Timeline

- May 1941: Mr Kooyker, a mining engineer, employed for a period of four weeks to work on preperation for the Bidston Tunnel and this period extended by a further four weeks into June.

- December 1941: Excavation of the entrances and the construction of the magazince commenced.

- January 1942: Total excavated No.1 entrance 132ft & No.2 entrance 75ft. 45 men employed in this tunnel.

- February 1942: Total excavated 722ft. 60 men employed on this tunnel.

- March 1942: Total excavated 1292ft. 64 men employed here.

- April 1942: Total excavated 2051ft. 57 men employed on this tunnel. Decision that lining not necessary throughout the tunnel, but essential in certain places, and flooring to be provided throughout. Sand excavated from the tunnels to be stored on site of Rhododendron Gardens then sold for building purposes.

- June 1942: Total excavated 2882ft. Considerable difficulty met with faults in the rock. 62 men employed on this tunnel.

- July 1942: Progress hindered by roofing problems with an arched roof in places being considered. Estimated cost increased o £15.8.0 per head.

- August 1942: Decision to introduce an arched roof section in certain places to reduce the amount of structural lining. Estimated cost now £46,672 with an estimated 2,213 bunks and 793 seats. Cost now £15.11.0 per head with difference between original of £13.5.0 per head to be drfrayed by the Corporation. 42 men employed here.

- October 1942: The whole of the arch trimming complete; a number of bunks installed. 41 men employed here.

- January 1943: A report said that due to the unreliable nature of the rock, which was not apparent until it had been exposed to the air for considerable period and having to arch the roof throughout, the cos was now estimated at £51,000. To increase the maximum number by 700 could be achieved by adding an additional tier to the three-tier bunks at a cost of £1.00 each. It is noted that the quality of the unskilled labour available at Bidston is markedly inferior to that at Tranmere.

- March 1943: The excavation of Bidston was relatively cheaper than that of Tranmere due to the softness of the rock and hence reduced labour costs; lesser volume of explosives required; Bidston soil was tipped close to the entrance whereas at Tranmere, 25,000 tons have to be loaded and transported off site.

- June 1943: Final bill for the Bidston Deep Shelter settled at £48,000 of which £6,510 was the liability of the Birkenhead Corporation.

- March 1944: Official number of bunks erected stands at 1,596 (from the intended total of 2,136).

- April 1944: Since the completion of the Bidston Deep Shelter, approx 950 tons of surplus sand sold to M/s Tilston & Roberts at 1/- per ton - 19,000 tons remaining.

- May 1945: Request from Robertson & Buckley & Co to use the shelter as a storage area for raw materials.

Credits

Extract taken from the following book:

Title: Wirral On The Home Front 1939-45
Author: Ian Boumphrey
ISBN: 1-899241-24-8
Price: £11.95
Order: http://www.yesterdayswirral.co.uk/
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 6:04pm
That emergency shaft and fan room exit
looks like it could be on that house ?? (Almost dead centre of picture)

Not 1,2,3 its on the back edge of the map.
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 6:05pm
i think yours is way off scale mark?
Posted By: Wheels Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 6:07pm
good work thumbsup , only thing is that the picture is not to scale.

it will deffo help us tho if we make it inside. I would like to think we can get inside and map the inside out correctly to scale smile

ive never done something like this before so im kind of buzzing at the mo. doh

Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 6:08pm
Total excavated 2882ft omg

That info will help wink
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 6:08pm
Please note that the "map" is a diagram and not to scale in any way. It cannot be read to be giving even near-exact layout details, much in the same way as Becks Maps work.

I think you are incorrect to suggest we could actually concieve the layout of the tunnels from this map, if its not made to scale, then it means quite that, none of the locations or tunnel sizes are drawn to scale.

You cannot win with a map that isnt drawn to scale, they are drawn solely for simplicity rather then accuracy.

They are designed to help someone navigate from one area to another, rather then to help someone work out where a certain location is in relation to other unlisted features.

wink
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 6:12pm
Originally Posted by BMW Joe
i think yours is way off scale mark?
I was trying to match up what we think wink

We now know that there was 2882ft of tunnels smile

calculators out,
hang on 6ft wide yeh now that my help !!

Even the grid squares could be a million miles off to there separation between rows.
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 6:18pm
This makes more sense.

Although the tunnels drawn are not to scale, it looks like it all matches up?

The exit at brow road, the shaft by the circle thang on the hill, the main entrance, and possible entrance in the garden of the house?



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Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 6:30pm
omg You guys are really making good progress, great work guys thumbsup

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Whelan:: ive never done something like this before so im kind of buzzing at the mo


Yeah, me too, wierd to think that we all maybe the first people in there for over a decade smile
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 6:34pm
First casualties for over a decade more like it lol

Yeh i'm buzzin off this too....

Need Mining gear now lol
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 6:38pm
Lol, i need a new camera now too due to me breaking mine yesterday frown
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 6:40pm
Gutted, how dya break it fella??

frown
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 6:42pm
got it stuck inbetween a door (when the door slipped trapping it)and sqaushed the lens back into the camera on an angle.
I took a few more shots with it but don`t think the quality will be any good.
I`ve been thinking of buying a new one anyway but not under these circumstances, lol
Posted By: Wheels Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 6:44pm
here's my mini map. looks alot like joes but i tried to do the sections in 75ft slots.

forgive the crap MS paint.

[Linked Image]


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Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 7:31pm
There all do able,
but i'm inclined to think the bricks we found on Sunday
are the shaft with ladders and fans.

Not that i havnt been wrong lol... smack

I'm searching but keep comping up with the same stuff.
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 7:34pm
Originally Posted by whelan
it will deffo help us tho if we make it inside. I would like to think we can get inside and map the inside out correctly to scale smile

I strongly agree with this.

smile
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 9:39pm
Entrance 1

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I used to live by these tunnels (bidston) in the late 80's and went down them a few times, the entrance I used was the one in this pic http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...ntunnels02.jpg

If you moved all the earth away there would be a sheet of metal about 10mm thick, in the rock face, This had been "opened" by someone with a gas torch.

As you went in there was a wall a few feet in that you could go either side of and then carry on down the tunnel, further down the tunnel you could see the vent that is on the top of Bidston hill. There isn't anything e;se of real note in there.

It was quite boring inside and we stopped going there when the local smackheads started using the place to shoot up and people started dumping rubbish in it and setting it on fire.


Whelans reply to couldnt find it on the top of the hill?

All I remember is it was a brick building about 12ft square with a concrete roof somewhere in the area?.. problem is it was so long ago it may well of been removed and like you say totally overgrown
Sounds like Jonah's Find.

ref : filled in shafts
I have at last spoken to someone that has been inside the tunnels 10 years ago! It's a start!
He went in with a group through the Hoylake Road entrance as the local scallies had dug a big hole. As you can see in the photo it's been filled by a lot of bricks and concrete. Someone has started it off again. He said that the shelter is on different levels and goes as far as Flaybrick cemetary and Bidston Hill. There is a ventilation shaft on Bidston Hill. He climbed up the ladder and couldn't get out as the council put concrete over the cover. The concrete was broken up at a later date so the council filled the shaft with sand. It's about 30ft down to the tunnels. The other ventilation shaft is on the corner of Worcester Road and Boundary Road 10ft from the substation door, now grassed over. That was also covered in concrete and the shaft filled with sand!
Odd thing to do, but it stops anyone getting in.
I am waiting for other info at the moment as I am quite interested. I will see if I can go across to the Wallasey Town Hall as the plans are kept there.
There is one point inside were there is a large metal door and one person mentioned the sound of running water behind it! Don't like the sound of that. All the fittings and fixtures inside have been smashed up unfortunately, although some large fans and pumps remain. *UPDATE EDIT* The large metal door is at the end of a corridor leading underneath Hoylake Road. It is thought it leads onto more of the complex, possibly another entrance further down towards Tesco. (or old Bidston Steel site if anyone remembers it)

I wish the council would open them up together with the Tranmere Tunnels and also tell us a bit more about what is underneath Hamilton Square around the train station.


ref filled shafts
A friend of mine was also talking about what he called T-Caves as a kid, this was an entrance to the deep shelter I believe a ladder reaching down about 30ft, he could enter the cave but then there were large iron doors which had been covered in concrete plus the large red brick house on the hill is very secluded and from what i remember the owners didn't take kindly to people near their house. I will try and get a photo of one of the ventilation hatches on top of the hill, another friend has pointed out an area where he remembers it is, I have a good idea where it is too but I think there will be 30ft of sand of something like that underneath it. Plus I will remember to put old footwear on next time. Though I certainly wouldn't relish knocking at the house on the hill, they'd probably shoot you with a blunderbuss first then ask questions later.


ref got in
Hi everyone, a facinating site, just had to join and give my twopence worth regarding the tunnels under bidston hill.... I have been down them when I was younger.
We managed to get through a damaged brick ventilation shaft up on the hill.


most of 28 days is focusing on the tranmere tunnels.

hope were clearer now. wink
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 9:49pm
With rgeards to gaining access, I believe we should take another look at the shaft we have found on top of the hill, do some more investigation into it, as its true we have only scratched the surface. This needs to be done PRIOR to any entry attempt involving any access point. We also need to do more research on both the house entry point and the possibility of a Brow Rd entry point prior to an entry attempt.

But as for an actual point of entry, the only one I believe we can consider channeling our time and resources into right now, based upon what we have found so far ourselves and the evidence/findings of others on 28dl, is the main entrance.

Look at it as though we have bitten onto the main entrance, we have sunk our teeth into it, and there is a distinct possibility we can complete the job and attain access.

There isnt any other entrance, be it a proper entrance or a shaft, that I know of, that we have sunk our teeth into it and we have a real likelyhood of being able to attain access, based on the current evidence and findings.

The shaft at the top needs more investigation, but it's because of this reason that it can't yet be considered the primary target for gaining entry to the tunnels.

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Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 9:58pm
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After the war it was a real problem for the police because if someone got in there and got into trouble there was very little chance of them being found - this was a structure that could house 3,000 people and it was totally dark.


Here, interesting
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 9:58pm
its clearer to me mark, cheers.

I dont go on 28dl, i leave you guys to do that, i just discovered the thread and left it as that lol

I think you guys should work on the one on bidston hill, take a look see if you can see one at brow road. But as Matty says, the main point of entry (unless its discovered that the one on bidston hill is clear and easily accessible) is the main entrance.

however, it is exposed and most likely kids in the area will pick up on it then everyone will be round.

So best idea is to stick with bidston hill where its out the way and if you dont get anywhere with that or the other possible vent/entrance at brow road, go back to the main entrance?
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 10:08pm
It's a risk you take no matter where its done Joe. I pretty much guarantee you that if we managed to find a 30ft shaft, or indeed dig out the sand from a 30ft shaft, it wouldnt be long before someone else comes across it, maybe even a matter of hours depending on how our luck is.

This isnt going to be something that we can open up, and then keep as our own, once opened, it will be abused within a matter of days, and within a matter of weeks it will be completely closed off again.

Thats why we need to get in, get some shots, explore etc, and get out. Its not going to be a trophy, its most likely going to be a once in a lifetime thing.

And nothing changes the fact that right now, only one realistic point of entry exists, other then those dreams we all have of finding a shaft with a ladder and going down and it all being plain sailing.

The other thig I would be worried about, is leaving a 30ft deep hole in the middle of Bidston Hill. Its hardly safe to say the least, hence the reason its supposedly been filled in.

smile
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 10:14pm
theres absolutely no way we are gonna dig 30 foots worth of sand out of a 2 nhalf - 3 foot wide hole!

Main entrance is the only option, look at the reality of this guys please smile

We would have to use a hand spade for a start & pass the sand up in bags or sumink! Not only would it take all day but it would knacker us bigtime wink
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 10:18pm
My sentiments exactly. Obviously we need to find our for ourselves whether its filled or not.

But there is no evidence that anyone was down there in June and the only evidence we have is that it has been filled in.

Needless to say, if it is filled in, we have neither the experience or equipment, never mind the time and space to dig out 30ft of sand.

People walk on the hill, we would be noticed.
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 10:20pm
Originally Posted by Totopop
theres absolutely no way we are gonna dig 30 foots worth of sand out of a 2 nhalf - 3 foot wide hole!

Main entrance is the only option, look at the reality of this guys please smile

We would have to use a hand spade for a start & pass the sand up in bags or sumink! Not only would it take all day but it would knacker us bigtime wink

Thats not to mention the issue of safety, I aint going to be digging (and I dont think anyone else should be either) without proper safety equipment and harnesses etc. It would be nigh on impossible to do the job safely.

Its okay at 6 and 7 feet, but as you go deeper its becomes more and more dangerous, and we dont even know what condition the walls of the shaft could be in!

Its best left to be considered as a last resort. But I will add, the shaft we have found should deffo be investigated further before it gets placed onto the back burner.
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 10:21pm
yes, i`d hate to imagine just how much sand it took to fill it, we`d be adding an extra hill to the landscape, lol
*big moles round here* wink
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 10:22pm
Lmao, its funny, but its also true.
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 10:22pm
30ft of Sand is Hear say?
None of us seen any sand on Bidston Hill...

Reference to is is only "A friend said"


Reality being also getting out of a hole at entrance 1

We have to at least check out the one on the hill
and then left without any options turn back to the main
entrance as we will be sure its that way or no way in.

Originally Posted by 28 days later
Hi everyone, a facinating site, just had to join and give my twopence worth regarding the tunnels under bidston hill.... I have been down them when I was younger.
We managed to get through a damaged brick ventilation shaft up on the hill.

Its somewhere around where i have circled the round patch of grass we used to call the turntable where horses were trained

It lead down a set of steel ladders to a short tunnel with a large ventilation fan in it .
Further along was another set of ladders going down (might of been 2 sets) to the bottom, right next to some old porcelain switch gear
The floor of the tunnel was concrete with an arched roof
There are also bomb blast walls along the passages
The floor started to turn to mud and the roof was getting lower so we turned back, being a bit scared of getting lost,
A scary but exciting trip underground non the less
I can't say how the layout was but a lot of other kids had been before us due to the graffiti on the walls ...
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 10:27pm
I agree, we do have to take this seriously, for example::
has anybody thought of the entrance being re-blocked whilst we`re in there due to some "joker" that may see us gain entrance? think
learn

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and then left without any options turn back to the main
entrance as we will be sure its that way or no way in.


Hmmm, yes, i have to admit sorry , i am automatically presuming/beliving the sand fill theory.
Its well worth checking out.
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 10:32pm
Originally Posted by Totopop
I agree, we do have to take this seriously, for example::
has anybody thought of the entrance being re-blocked whilst we`re in there due to some "joker" that may see us gain entrance? think
learn

Yes, I was speaking to Pomp about this the other day. I suggested to him at the time, that we would have to split into two groups, 50/50.

One group would have to remain outside and the other group can enter and have x amount of time. Then its vice versa.

This is the only feasable way of doing it, unless there are some people who don't want to enter the tunnels.

Mark, I havent said we shouldnt investigate it.

We all very well know the evidence for making an entry to the main entrance. But other then moving a few remains of brick walls which in all honesty, revealed nothing, and 10 minutes spent looking, I can't see how you can say this is now our main target for an entry point??

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Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 10:35pm
Also, yes its all hearsay, but atm we have to CONSIDER and take onboard everything we are told about these tunnels, and seriously take into account the fact that the stories could well be true.

None of us have any idea ourselves, and I am pretty sure that there ARE people out there who do know what happened when it was closed off, people who have attempted to make an entry in the past and found out things that we havent as yet.

Therefore I am inclined to believe these statements moreso then our own "thoughts" which have no evidence, other then on the basis of what we want to see.
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 10:36pm
Hmmm, although i haven`t seen the other entrance/exit, tbh i would much rather use the main entrance anyway as i think it will be safer unless we are taking absailing equipment with us, lol.
smile
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 10:37pm
Originally Posted by Totopop
Hmmm, although i haven`t seen the other entrance/exit, tbh i would much rather use the main entrance anyway as i think it will be safer unless we are taking absailing equipment with us, lol.
smile

Hence my seemingly random mountaineering point before lmao.

People probably didnt have a clue what I was on about raftl
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 10:40pm
As I said, the main entrance would be the door, but the vent shaft is well worth investigating further.

As it may be simply a case of move a couple of bricks and soil, there may be ladders leading down - much easier than trying to get through hole in a steel door.
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 10:43pm
Well I know for a fact I wouldnt be going down a 30ft shaft without some quality safety gear no matter how easy it looked.

wink
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Sep 2007 10:49pm
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MattyC: Well I know for a fact I wouldnt be going down a 30ft shaft without some quality safety gear no matter how easy it looked.



hmmm also i`d second that, i`ve not long got over a broken and fractured ankle, (that did my head right in)
i`v`e learnt my lesson from the last adventure, lol

smile
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 3rd Sep 2007 4:17pm
Our Trek Today

But look at how many yards our Trek is ?
And how many yards are on the Underground Map by Matty.

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Posted By: SoundLad Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 3rd Sep 2007 4:22pm
Good trek that smile any developments mark ?
Posted By: Wheels Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 3rd Sep 2007 4:44pm
My trek was double that tease i had been there about an hour before mark came. i found some interesting things.

i have a few pics but something wrong with my uploads at this sec. cry

*Mark what site or program did you use for that map?.
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 3rd Sep 2007 4:51pm
*Mark what site or program did you use for that map?. [/quote]

Virtual Earth << -- Msns Version
http://local.live.com/
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Sep 2007 1:27am
I found summit else, dont think its been posted before, its only short but possibly sheds a bit more light:

Originally Posted by icWirral.co.uk
SORRY to carry on the tale of the Bidston Hill tunnels but the letter from J Evans, Upton, was so far off the mark that I felt he needed to understand that these tunnels went definitely through a rock face and were not tunnelled downwards.

The only part that went anywhere else was the escape ladder which surfaced on the top of Bidston Hill and provided another entrance for any youngsters.

In fact, there was talk at one time that these and the Tranmere ones actually met but that was impossible.

KEN GRIFFITHS,
BEBINGTON

Source: http://icwirral.icnetwork.co.uk/news/regional/tm_method=full%26objectid=19549065%26siteid=80898-name_page.html
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Sep 2007 1:30am
There is also an extensive 4 page article on mainly the Tranmere tunnels, but also the Bidston tunnels at http://icwirral.icnetwork.co.uk/news/regional/tm_method=full%26objectid=13913093%26siteid=80898-name_page.html

Interestingly, it states that the Tranmere tunnels at least, we blocked off in 1988.
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Sep 2007 1:39am
Further searching has led me to this small, but interesting paragraph:

Originally Posted by ITPAS Williamson Tunnels
There are reported similar mazes of tunnels and caverns across Europe and in fact, all parts of the globe. Many are ignored or hushed up as if to hide a huge long standing secret. (or maybe those Health & Safety Officers have just decided the possibility of exploration and public access too risqué!). You may recall such a story caused a big stir here on The Wirral when one of our local newspapers exposed stories and evidence of a similar labyrinth under Bidston Hill that supposedly stretched for miles. However, for one reason or another, the story faded out of the limelight as Wirral Council denied their existence. The light inside yet another dark space was turned off.

Source: http://www.itpas.org.uk/WilliamsonsTunnels.htm
Posted By: Pomp Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Sep 2007 3:04am
This little Quest is quite interesting as it does seem a little bit like the series "Lost" where
they find that hatch. Then they start finding ways of getting in.

Who knows what kind of suprise we will get if we manage to get in... curiousity will fly around until
then. Would be well worth it if we could make it in, we would be able to see near enough the
conditions/surroundings that ppl lived in during world war 2. This is also a kind of a little
school history trip lol and also one of them things u can say when the topic of Bidston tunnel
comes up (Been there, done that, seen it all)
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Sep 2007 8:56am
I think when we do go in pomp it will be the Thrill Factor
and not so much the WOW factor.


Interesting articles..
And that's why the kids hanging around there know more than us.
Would be handy if one of there dads could show us the
Emergency shaft.
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 7th Sep 2007 1:26am
WE GOT IN!!!

That was amazing wow I am just transferring the photos to me PC then am off to bed guys, will sort them and upload them tomorrow morning laugh

Cheers to everyone who was there tonight and peeps who helped in the lead up to it.

thumbsup
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 7th Sep 2007 1:28am
Yep we got in and we have pictures etc....

We have back filled so it don't look too obvious.

Its scary shit.

Yipeee i was in lol
And around that brick wall was the darkest longest
tunnel i had ever seen and promptly said "FooooooK"

Will write up more tomorrow when i eventually wake up.

So we have left it in such away we can return.

What an experience and spooky as hell too.

Okay peeps later were all knackered after
watching Joe and Whelan. thumbsup

there is soooo much more to explore in these
tunnels we hardly covered the start to be honest.

But a good Billion candle torch should do us just fine smile
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 7th Sep 2007 1:33am
Btw, one of the photos deffo says:

somad C:
TOMMY
9 T 7
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 7th Sep 2007 1:44am
me and pomp found beer cans with the best before end date of 97 were all the sand was smile

I got a new torch with a carrige in too happy

What a great experience thanks to joe and whelan thumbsup

Me and pomp were "oh my god" "sh iiii tttt, size of this place" quite creepy there too but so silent smile
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 7th Sep 2007 1:47am
Yeah we got photos of them, we think that was where one of the emergency hatches was.

On one of the photos, I can just make out something that looks like a ladder, behind all the sand...

smile
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 7th Sep 2007 1:49am
Im pleased to say the photos have actually come out okay in general too, most of the time I was holding me video camera in one hand for the light on it, so most photos were shot one handed, thought they might be rather blurry but one one or two are.

laugh
Posted By: Wheels Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 7th Sep 2007 1:49am
my head hurts.

Glad all our hard work paid off.

Got me all exited seeing the pics for the first time in 10years.
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 7th Sep 2007 1:53am
Thanks to you and everyone that helped be a part of this, what an experience thumbsup
Posted By: Wheels Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 7th Sep 2007 1:55am
haha big up ste for going nuts.
Posted By: Pomp Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 7th Sep 2007 2:23am
Yeh I had fun like.

Got in and i was like ok it doesn't seem 2 bad then around the corner ther was like a long
tunnel!! omg then we carried on an then at the end of the long tunnel ther
was a huge tunnel wiv lots of different sections!!. That was unexpected lol
but we followed the string as instructed by Sir Mark

Also gd to hear u got another torch totopop, maybe u can use it wen we next enter again.
Not bad for £4 something

I will have to say thanks to the fella's joe and Whelan and other peeps who joined in, u all did a gd job except wen i was coming out an ripd bits of my jean frown

Posted By: jonah Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 7th Sep 2007 7:31am
get the pics up...... cry grin
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 7th Sep 2007 9:34am
damn,im off to liverpool, see you guys later, happy
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 7th Sep 2007 10:05am
I'm just getting my self sorted and hopefully will have some pics to show in the next 15 mins, but i think the quality ones will come from matty's camera as mines poo, but better than a kick in the bollox happy

p.s. ive got such a headache this morning.
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 7th Sep 2007 10:24am
Sorry guys, my photos wont be up until later, got a very busy day, wasnt planning on doing anything, had about 5 things crop up, mainly family shit frown
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 7th Sep 2007 10:30am
Some pictures from my camera.


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Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 7th Sep 2007 10:34am
We only got as far as this due to the string we found
coming to an end or we wouldn't have got that far.

It is soooo easy to get disorientated down there and loose your way back. You can see the end of the string at kris's foot.

Even with our torches it looked like the non enhanced pictures.

Got to go back and explore more as we didn't get to the Escape Hatch for Bidston Hill. And it looks like we walked passed one emergency exit but that one must have been bricked up.
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 7th Sep 2007 10:40am
I'm not sure how much truth is with this map?

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It says the Tunnels are 7ft wide - 6. 6' high

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unless kris has shrunk then i guess at this point the
tunnels are at the least 12ft High.
Posted By: SoundLad Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 7th Sep 2007 11:00am
Bloody hell that looks very scary.. Didnt realise it was that big... oshocked
Posted By: krisGTi Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 7th Sep 2007 11:00am
that was a grate night an would love 2 go in again. an the hight is moor then 6 6 mark. when is the next time every 1s goin back in?
Posted By: SoundLad Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 7th Sep 2007 11:03am
maybe a camera flash issue but looks like an orb to me on the picture with description "Main Tunnel Behind the Brick wall at the entrance" Intresting smile wonder if this place is haunted or the fact that the tunnels will produce infrasound be nice to do an investagation in there.. smile Someone also mentioned being disorinatated that might be cause there might not be much Air getting into the tunnels which if thats the case you guys need to be careful...
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 7th Sep 2007 11:03am
Balls of string are needed are were going no where.
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 7th Sep 2007 11:07am
Disorientated simply due to its so dark and every wall looks the same once you start turning corners.

I think the Orb is a camera thing to be honest Lee,
but you will be pleased to know Matty was bricking it
when he walked a little way on his own.

Theres's plenty of air, the question is where is it coming in?
I think we will find more exits. Just need to explore more smile
Posted By: SoundLad Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 7th Sep 2007 11:09am
Aye laugh looks good though doesnt look dangerous at all apart from the Size and darkness of it all. I dunno why they dont open it up and use it as a tourist attraction....
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 7th Sep 2007 11:14am
Its SOLID all man made cut rock..
Maybe if we get further in we will know why...

I want to try and catch my uncle again for Directions lol
Posted By: Pomp Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 7th Sep 2007 11:36am
I jst got up abit ago from a proper scary dream no joke, I've not had a dream in months or
longer... maybe its the effect of going in ther?
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 7th Sep 2007 6:19pm
Photos coming up... beware heavy bandwidth may be used lol!

Sorry about the quality, aint been able to edit em at all, so some may be a bit dark, shaky etc.



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Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 7th Sep 2007 6:30pm
There quality matty thumbsup
The camera has got it all perfectly.
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 7th Sep 2007 6:33pm
Yeah, I suppose the crappy thing is, the flash is very strong (8-12m) makes them look dead light and okay and takes away the atmosphere of them lol.

They are absolute pitch black inside (so much so that the video camera was useless even with its light and the torches), and extremely hard to navigate and get ya bearing, even the torches only help to a certain degree.

It says "9 T 7" on these images:

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And this part is interesting too, its where some sort of shaft or exit has been filled with sand:

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Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 7th Sep 2007 6:36pm
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I think we got as far as this...
And that's the sand in the undeveloped area.



p.s. Thanks for the money shot as my ass got out the trap door lol
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 7th Sep 2007 6:49pm
Whos up for it tonight then?
I dont want to be waiting all night to find no one else is intrested?

Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 7th Sep 2007 6:49pm
matty, those pics are brilliant thumbsup

Was someone smoking in there?

Yeah sorry about causing a scene the other day running accross the field, i know to be more carefull now frown

Yess pomp i can test my new torch out soon, lol laugh

guys, there may be other ways of getting whelan and jonah in but have you forgotten its harder getting out than in?



Posted By: Pomp Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 7th Sep 2007 7:24pm
Wonder wot the smokey things are?

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Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 7th Sep 2007 7:34pm
The smokey stuff is just condensation, or breath.
Nothing to worry about.
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Sep 2007 10:43am
Revised Map Plan
Note the new key at the bottom.

And new overlay of Bidston hill.
Its still weird the variations we can have, as it can be near
the big concrete Jonah found near the cock pit.

Any ways see what you think.




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Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Sep 2007 11:27am
Unfortunatly matts pics didn`t turn out too well frown , i should of told him to use my crappy camera and we would of had better results. Saying that we didn`t really have time to set up the camera so it was more of a point and click thing really.
I have compressed the images so they are about 45-50k to save on everyones bandwith and in order for them to load quicker, also resized them to 800x600.
Out of 54 pictures we have 45 due to some being blank???? and the others blurry.
Most are pics of the team but i`ll put them all up to do as you wish, they are very dark and have not been enhanced.
There are 2 good ones i like which are 1 of the tunnel sandstone and 1 of someone climbing down the ladder (thats a cracking shot whoever did it?)
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Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Sep 2007 11:52am
Thank Matt (totopops mate)
For the pics there great smile

Posted By: MattLFC Wirral Underground Tunnels - 10th Sep 2007 1:22pm
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Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Sep 2007 1:40pm
Brilliant photos matty, nice one thumbsup
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Sep 2007 2:16pm
Originally Posted by Totopop
Brilliant photos matty, nice one thumbsup

yes

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where was that? dont remember seeing it?
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Sep 2007 2:58pm
Originally Posted by BMW Joe
Originally Posted by Totopop
Brilliant photos matty, nice one thumbsup

yes

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where was that? dont remember seeing it?

I can't remember where abouts it was, but I remember commenting on it to Mark.

smile
Posted By: SoundLad Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Sep 2007 3:08pm
Bloody hell its huge laugh good photos guys.. I see the air raid siren is rusted to fook... smirk
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Sep 2007 3:10pm
Its not the siren, on closer inspection its the ventilation fan or similar.

I dont actually believe there was a siren in there now, I started to wonder why there would be? It would make more sense to have it on Bidston Hill in the observatory/lighthouse or possible a small dedicated building rather then underground.

I think the people that said there is an air raid siren, have probably been mistaken for this, as we thought it was at first.

smile
Posted By: SoundLad Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Sep 2007 3:13pm
yer i had to look twice cause it does look like a that know come to think of it cause an air raid siren has 2 fan things on either side and its connected to a centre column and the drive is the centre column...
Posted By: Pomp Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Sep 2007 3:14pm
Wow some really gd photo's, Love the pickaxe shot lol
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Sep 2007 3:15pm
Also, if we read the map as to where we were located/that room is located, it only states that its an escape hatch and fan room.

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Posted By: SoundLad Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Sep 2007 3:16pm
1940s Air Raid Siren

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Posted By: CustomIce Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Sep 2007 4:04pm
I'm well impressed folks, good work smile

Are there many of the tunnels that are flooded?

shame soooo much of the fittings are smashed up tho frown

And i was looking at the hooks and other plug like things in the tunnel ceilings, i think the hooks may have had someting to do with gas pipes fo the lighting down there and supply to the kitchen. maybe?
Posted By: Waddi Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Sep 2007 5:15pm
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anyone else get the feeling that these are blocked up tunnels/passageways/rooms.....
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Sep 2007 6:44pm
Matty AMAZING pictures turely,
they show it how it is perfectly.
SO clear and crisp.

Good on yu fella.


The Funny Roof, is near the Brow Exit, on the corner.

Lee is a vent fan or motor, but the fans seem to indicate
a vent fan. smile

I also noticed those too waddi wink
I think they are spare rooms.
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Sep 2007 6:54pm
heres my map of the tunnels we went through as I drew them (hence uncomplete parts - the places we didnt go)

i'd like to get widths and lengths tonight and perhaps see if we can break some of them bricks loose that look they they lead into rooms?




Description: My Magical Map :oP
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Posted By: Wheels Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Sep 2007 7:03pm
suspicious looking red brick door ways smile
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Sep 2007 7:04pm
Quality Joe wasn't expecting that wink

You printing it out for the Tourists smile
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Sep 2007 7:09pm
I'll bring a copy with me and add to it the rest of the tunnels and sizes too smile
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Sep 2007 8:09pm
Right i'm getting my stuff together wink

See yu at Entrance 1 at 10pm
Keep torch light to a min.. smile
Posted By: Wheels Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Sep 2007 8:19pm
Originally Posted by Mark
Right i'm getting my stuff together wink


well...

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lol
Posted By: jonah Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Sep 2007 8:58pm
cry frown fookin gutted, not been able to come down due to other commitments, and now i'm back at work... on a night out tommorrow now too, so its gonna beat least wed night before i even get a chance to go down the tunnels, i hope u not given up by then cos i so wanna go in... mark txt me and let me no wot the plans are for the rest of the week...... thumbsup good work lads, am so disappointed i've not been able to be more involved.. sorry frown
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Sep 2007 10:58pm
If you are wanting to go in on Wednesday, thats when Kyle will be able to next as well smile
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Sep 2007 12:29am
we mapped out the tunnels with joes measuring wheel with
pomp at the wheel lol...

Knackard - absolutely knackard.
I am going to have to have a night off from this.
zzzzzzzzz
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Sep 2007 12:30am
p.s we wouldn't let Whelan eat his mars bar until he got out the tunnels ;p;
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Sep 2007 12:34am
Did anyone go to that door?

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Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Sep 2007 12:38am
This one:

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Posted By: Pomp Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Sep 2007 12:44am
Mark did, his feet wer soaked
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Sep 2007 12:45am
Yeh i had me wellies on, it got about 8 inches deep,
but that door was SOLID no chance what so ever of getting in / out.
And then what's behind it?

Who knows?

But its an entrance that would need a little TNT i think.
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Sep 2007 12:46am
Lol im glad I never went any further then I did last night then haha!

Thats the only thing I was interested in tonight, I took me cam again but I think I got enough photos already, got about 2GB worth lmao!
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Sep 2007 12:52am
Whelan might have a spooky picture to show if it comes out.
But wont say what it was.

Off to bed need zzz's
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Sep 2007 11:48am
My Guestimate of Tunnels now, and i dont think its too
far away from what it is. Ive lined the map up North West.

Ignore the 1,2,3




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Posted By: Wheels Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Sep 2007 8:16pm
hehe smile



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Posted By: Wheels Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 12th Sep 2007 2:34pm
I know that hand!

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sorry
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 12th Sep 2007 4:47pm
Originally Posted by whelan
I know that hand!

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sorry

I thought that! Whys it blurred Mr Mark?

Has everyone lost interest (or didnt have the interest in the first place?) to find out whats behind them bricked up parts of the walls which may lead somewhere?
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 12th Sep 2007 4:51pm
I have more pics from ste to throw up,
i'm struggling for time.
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 12th Sep 2007 5:44pm
Originally Posted by BMW Joe

Has everyone lost interest (or didnt have the interest in the first place?) to find out whats behind them bricked up parts of the walls which may lead somewhere?


I aint lost interest joe but i`d like to try and get some pictures just in case we happen to get rumbled as it is a possibillty that could happen frown

I cant wait until we go on another mission, say, the new brighton tunnels etc... But want to finish these ones to the full possibility first wink
happy
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 12th Sep 2007 5:58pm
This is the Sml Detailed Map with the Emergency Shaft Included
All measured and Mapped out. happy

Click on the link below for the full size map smile

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Posted By: jonah Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 12th Sep 2007 5:58pm
hey people, been away the night and thing are just choca in work. am on work pc now lol.. sssssssssssh.... should be workin now.. raftl shifty i prob wont be free til friday if people r goin in then for the last time.. think friday would b good as its start of the weekend so peeps should be off sat.. more chance to explore... think
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 13th Sep 2007 3:55pm
More Pictures from Totopop of our visit on the 10th thumbsup
Thanks a million matey.

Not all of them, as ive sorted maybe the pictures that we
haven't seen yet wink


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Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 14th Sep 2007 1:18pm
More Results from mine and Totopop's Exit Hunt.

1. Entrance Number One. Where we get in.
2. Mound of bricks.
3. Where Jonah found a concrete slab. (Whelan -- Big Spiders Nest)
The point being its a man made hill of Rubble. Everywhere else follows the natural line of smooth down the hill.
4. Where i found a rotten peace of sheet metal and a red brick underneath?
5. Possible Hidden Exit.
6. Possible Hidden Exit.
7. Possible Hidden Exit.
8. Possible Hidden Exit.


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Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 14th Sep 2007 5:04pm
I think your overlay is too far from the main road.
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 14th Sep 2007 11:52pm
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Posted By: Wheels Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 14th Sep 2007 11:53pm
oh yeah i remember that but what did it say?
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 14th Sep 2007 11:57pm
DEATH TA YA ????? TALL
Posted By: Wheels Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 15th Sep 2007 12:00am
looks more like

LET DEATH TAKES ITS TOLL ?
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 15th Sep 2007 12:01am
Originally Posted by whelan
looks more like

LET DEATH TAKES ITS TOLL ?


Thats right frown
Posted By: Wheels Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 15th Sep 2007 12:06am
oh great. omg part 1 & 2 is done now

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Posted By: Wheels Friday Night Tunnel Dig - 22nd Sep 2007 11:25am
here is some of my snaps

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Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 22nd Sep 2007 11:40am
Amazing Pics Whelan fella smile

Will check them again when i get back
i'm going to pace out the exit shaft.

I have me mobile if anyone is board smile
Posted By: Waddi Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 22nd Sep 2007 11:44am
good pics wheels.

I got a bit of a lie in this morning, didnt get out of bed till 8:15 sleep
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 22nd Sep 2007 11:47am
right i'm going pacing lol
call me i will be lonley.
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 22nd Sep 2007 12:50pm
I'm back and the results of me pacing out the tunnels
above the ground is very very interesting think

I will dig out a picture of where the exit is,
bare in mind it will be a rough guess but it puts us
in the general area.

So while i'm looking we can say we have found

1. Dog Leg Exit @ the Rods, but covered under earth.
2. Emergency escape from the Ladders

( Trying to create an air of suspense, can i hear a woooo )
Posted By: Waddi Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 22nd Sep 2007 12:58pm
I got one pic that I thinks a goodun.




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Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 22nd Sep 2007 1:06pm
Excellent mate smile
Just shows the length of them, and there not as
restaurant warming that Whelan has us believe lol
Posted By: Waddi Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 22nd Sep 2007 1:12pm
Originally Posted by Mark
( Trying to create an air of suspense, can i hear a woooo )


WikiWoo thumbsup
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 22nd Sep 2007 1:13pm
raftl

another 15 mins brb
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 22nd Sep 2007 1:27pm
I cant find the landscape picture i took with Totpop
so this will have to for now smile

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My Count ended right in between...

2 & 3

Personally i go for the man made hill i mentioned with
totopop / the one where Jonah put his camera under the slab
or the one nearest the cock pit thing.

[Linked Image]

That is a man made hill.

1. The Trunk of the Tree is far too short.
2. Its pretty much a Rubble Hill.
3. Its out of sorts with the natural flow of the landscape.
4. Red Brick and Cement are present.

Its either this one or the other place.
I'm going to go for this one.
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 22nd Sep 2007 11:12pm
Originally Posted by Mark
Personally i go for the man made hill i mentioned with
totopop / the one where Jonah put his camera under the slab
or the one nearest the cock pit thing.


the one where whelan put his hand down and found a spider?

as that was concreated over.

the top of the shaft has definately been concreated over
Posted By: Waddi Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 22nd Sep 2007 11:53pm
So, whats/wheres next?
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 23rd Sep 2007 12:32am
I'd say have an explore see if we can find the exits on the outside - the shaft and the one on brow road?

Other than that, I can't see much more happening with them for now, unless we find more information, such as the possibility that the other underground tunnels are linked to it (perhaps through the part which looks undeveloped blocked up with sand?)

Posted By: Wheels Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 23rd Sep 2007 10:30am
next tunnel next tunnel! were we going>??

lets go lets go lets GO!!!!!!
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 23rd Sep 2007 11:06am
great pictures lads, really atmospheric thumbsup
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 23rd Sep 2007 11:26am
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Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 23rd Sep 2007 11:29am
I think we should try and revisit in a year to see how tux is getting on lol
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 23rd Sep 2007 11:36am
Originally Posted by BMW Joe
I'd say have an explore see if we can find the exits on the outside - the shaft and the one on brow road?

Other than that, I can't see much more happening with them for now, unless we find more information, such as the possibility that the other underground tunnels are linked to it (perhaps through the part which looks undeveloped blocked up with sand?)


There isnt a Brow Road Exit its in the RODS.
I think that was us getting mixed up until the size of the tunnels was mapped.

I will try and dig out the picture where the Shaft Exit is,
yes where Whelan found the spiders nest.

One way could be would be to let off a smoke bomb
at the top of the ladder or something like that.
And smoke or odour could seep through.

O even them walkie talkies think that's if they
go through rock.

---------
I have been told that the tunnels link up.
Ive been told that there are tunnels under the observatory,
and awaiting for a book to be shown to me as its no longer
in print. Apparently this book covers all the tunnels around
the Wirral area I'm lead to believe.

But that book and info may take some time to come back to
me as in months or weeks who knows? But they do say there
linked etc... But all hear say at the moment. frown
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 23rd Sep 2007 11:39am
Originally Posted by BMW Joe
I think we should try and revisit in a year to see how tux is getting on lol
raftl

Nice pics Joe some there that we havnt seen before.
Well done
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 23rd Sep 2007 11:46am
Exit above the Shaft ?

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That is a man made hill.

1. The Trunk of the Tree is far too short.
2. Its pretty much a Rubble Hill.
3. Its out of sorts with the natural flow of the landscape.
4. Red Brick and Cement are present.

Its either this one or the other place.
I'm going to go for this one.
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 23rd Sep 2007 11:46am
Nice pics joe, gonna try and go through mine now, damn rooms like a computer factory at the mo due to me building 2 pc`s so please bear with me smile
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 23rd Sep 2007 11:47am
the only way I can think of finding the shaft exit without spending a fortune on equipment is using bluetooth. If it can go through concrete? Especially that thick?

But if theres a chance its thin enough, if someone has bluetooth on at the top of the ladder and someone on the hill tries to detect it, that might work?
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 24th Sep 2007 12:48am
Sorry for the wait guys,been a bit busy with building pc`s, taking kids out and going to wedding and party, i`m knackered, fell asleep twice today, lol.
Not many decient pics i`m afraid but heres some anyway....
smile


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Description: Entrance now (lfrom the outside in)
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Description: I`m sure theres a room here>?
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Description: Part of old loo, notice how the seat used to be stuck on?
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Description: Joe at top of shaft
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Description: Tux is keeping gaurd now :)
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Description: Danger! In the 1st floor of the shaft peeps!
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Description: Hi ho hi ho its off to....
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Posted By: Wheels Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 24th Sep 2007 12:55am
good pics

lmao at first 1, i look like im doing the robot
Posted By: Mark Wirral Underground Tunnels 3 - 25th Sep 2007 2:23pm
Been out and about with the GPS
I cant get google to make sense of the readings.
So if any one can pin them on a Google or Virtual Earth Map
it will be very helpful for the cause.

As in we can overlay joes map and have it all boxed off smile

You can now see where the Shaft Exit is smile

Enjoy.


Description: Main Entrance and GPS Reading.
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Description: Possible Dog Leg exit? Bus Stop is just through the trees. Strangely the Soil Drops away.
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Description: This whole area seems possible to be the Dog Leg Exit.
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Description: Another reading GPS This one is favourite but its in-line with House 2 ? The Ground Drops away at least 3ft.
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Description: In the same place as previous picture, but looking to the right, its the water running down the rock that has my attention. (Flooded Exit)
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Description: The Picture says it all. The Observatory is Behind me.
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Description: I've highlighted the Exit Point with a down arrow.
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Description: From the Large Tree six normal walking steps. This is where we could hear kris and Totopop.
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Description: I'm looking towards the "Cock Pit"
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Description: The Sun has bleached out the Observatory. But the arrow shows you where it is.
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Description: This should help anyone finding the spot from the "Cock Pit"
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Description: GPS Readings at the Exit
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Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 25th Sep 2007 2:26pm
The Crutch is no longer there lol
Posted By: Wheels Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 25th Sep 2007 4:30pm
Originally Posted by Mark
The Crutch is no longer there lol


dont worry i have 2 here! was moving my shed and a massive slab fell on debbies foot breaking it in 2places withstupid . looks like we all been to hospital frown

ste i hope every think is ok mate. frown
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 25th Sep 2007 4:37pm
Bloody hell.

Everyone Get well soon wink
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 25th Sep 2007 6:11pm
Heres the map with your GPS Positions mark

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Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 25th Sep 2007 6:16pm
Excellent thumbsup

2 things

1. How did yu do it in google.
2. Can you overlay the map that matty got? Stretch is or what ever.


I@m going for my tea now as i'm still editing the tunnels topics.
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 25th Sep 2007 6:39pm
your gps is in the wrong position for the exit as the maps dont overlay correctly..see pic

my maps is sort of to scale, the leg of the main entrance should actually be a bit shorter though.

Ive measured the distance using google maps and using our measurements it should be 167.7m (or 550ft) from the shaft exit.

That puts it closer to the houses/bus stop but you dont have a pic of the GPS positions?

I just typed the gps positions in google maps +53.40469, -3.07311 e.t.c

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Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 25th Sep 2007 6:48pm
Where the exit should be according to measurements from within the tunnels

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Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 25th Sep 2007 6:52pm
Civillian GPS co-ordinates can be anywhere upto 5 - 10 metres out of real world caluculations.

smile
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 25th Sep 2007 6:59pm
Good work Joe

Yeh i was guessing but there were some that looked like
possibles.
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 25th Sep 2007 7:08pm
If anyone wants to have a go of overlaying the 2 to meet up all the exits - feel free

I can't seem get all 3 to meet up frown

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Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 27th Sep 2007 12:09pm
To be fair Joe i think the GPS or Google puts the Pointers
in the wrong places.

The Entrance seems too far into the Grass Area.
The Shaft Exit is almost behind the "Cock Pit"
And the Rods Entrance well that could be anywhere?

Ive put together where i think they are the Markers.
The Entrance (Green Marker)
The Shaft Exit (Red Marker)
And the Exit we never found in the Blue Area.
We are Told you could see it from the Bus Stop?

Anyway this is my guess at an overlay of your map.
Ive had to stretch it a little to make it fit, but is
not a million miles from what we found anyway.

The Green and Red Markers we do know are there.
And its them i used to pull the map into shape.


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Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 27th Sep 2007 12:11pm
It will be the GPS at fault (possibly Google as well tbh but deffo the GPS) as Civillian units struggle to pinpoint exact locations. They give a good and pretty precise idea, but precise to them is within a couple of metres.

smile
Posted By: spinking Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 27th Sep 2007 4:59pm
My god my eyes and head hurt reading all 31 pages.

How interesting is all that no waunder you all were acting alittle strange at the last meet and moved to the 2nd place LOL.

Maybe nextime you go take a sleg-hammer and open some doors.

Will be watching this topic with intertest.

Posted By: Wheels Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 27th Sep 2007 5:03pm
wink
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 27th Sep 2007 6:13pm
I've just been given more information tonight about 3 arches
which is where we have the dog leg exit marked.

Apparently they were big enough to reverse a Army Truck
Full of ammo.

Hopefully will be given a guided in about an hour fingers crossed.
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 27th Sep 2007 10:43pm
Humm, the guy got called out on a job
so wasn't able to show me.

But now i know i will stay on his case.
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 27th Sep 2007 10:49pm
sounds very interesting.

wonder where, if it was ammo, it was stored?

maybe it was for food deliveries?
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 27th Sep 2007 11:06pm
When he said ammo it was in the context of that if you had an ammo truck you could have reversed that into the arches they were that big smile

Could these be a lead off to another set of tunnels ?
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 27th Sep 2007 11:07pm
big petrol whizzer on that steel door i say, i could probably borrow one off my boss if he has a petrol one?
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 27th Sep 2007 11:10pm
you replying to the wrong post again ?
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 27th Sep 2007 11:12pm
i dont think he is mark, as im thinking the same, if thats where these arches are.

I want to know whats behind that door, maybe ammo stores?
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 27th Sep 2007 11:17pm
Ha well, i looked high and low in the same area for the
dog leg exit and didn't see anything.

But he seems to think he could walk right up to where they are even if there buried by soil etc..

There's no ammo there only large openings that he was explaining
the size of the arches to me. Baring in mind that he was a kid
when he seen them.

But that's two different people that have mentioned Arches?

And when he was a kid they were BRICKED UP SOLID.

And that may be one of the reasons that the DOG LEG Steel Exit Door was so solid with no Echo.
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 27th Sep 2007 11:23pm
Originally Posted by Mark

And that may be one of the reasons that the DOG LEG Steel Exit Door was so solid with no Echo.


Sorry, i presumed it was welded, didn`t realise there was no echo sorry
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 27th Sep 2007 11:25pm
On that Door where you would have hinges,
there bent back completely.

There in air so to speak but yet the door is still SOLID.
No chance of moving it, cutting it. Blowing it up lol.
Posted By: spinking Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Sep 2007 7:43pm
I know a friend who knows a friend.

Email addy and web-link

Ian Boumphrey,


Email: ian at yesterdayswirral.co.uk


been told he maybe able to help if you havnt already asked him.
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Sep 2007 7:57pm
happy
Posted By: hoseman Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 30th Sep 2007 7:20pm
BEEN UP THERE TONIGHT AND FOUND YOUR THIRD TUNNEL, PLAYED IN THEM WHEN I WAS A KID!! WALKED STRAIGHT TO IT, COVERED OVER, BUT STILL IN THE CUTTING!! learn
Posted By: Waddi Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 30th Sep 2007 7:23pm
third tunnel? Tranmere tunnels?

anyway welcome to the site Hoseman, are you a fireman?
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 30th Sep 2007 7:26pm
Huh??
Posted By: Waddi Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 30th Sep 2007 7:30pm
are you as confused as me Matty, Have I missed something?
Posted By: Wheels Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 30th Sep 2007 7:34pm
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Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 30th Sep 2007 7:35pm
Originally Posted by Waddi
are you as confused as me Matty, Have I missed something?

I think so lmao!
Posted By: Waddi Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 30th Sep 2007 7:36pm
Can you explain a bit more please Hoseman please.
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 30th Sep 2007 9:06pm
He is a good friend lol

We have been investigating the 3 Arches wink
Posted By: Waddi Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 30th Sep 2007 10:55pm
Oh, So Hoseman is your "guide" Mark.

Welcome again.
Posted By: vw_kyle Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Oct 2007 5:40pm
ive just been told today by a fella in work when he was younger he use to play in the tunnels all the time he seems to think that there is a air raid siren up by the old house by the observatery and a entrance to get in to the tunnels but dont know if you have looked into this
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Oct 2007 9:41pm
Yeh its pictured the exit on Bidston Hill wink

Its a fair bit away from the Observatory, there are rumours
of tunnels under the Observatory and leading off?
Who knows.

Not sure about the the siren ?
Posted By: vw_kyle Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Oct 2007 10:15pm
oh ok
Posted By: clvm13 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 12th Oct 2007 12:09pm
Hi!
This is AMAZING! I knew there were tunnels under the hill as there are some arches cut into the hill that you can get to from Boundary road. They are all blocked off, but I always wanted to know what was behind them! Great work, have enjoyed following your progress.
On another note, I have been down the tunnels at New Brighton when I was a kid. A house near the Red Noses has an entrance leading to the tunnels, and they used to have one open day every year, where you could go down there. I remember one small tunnel that was supposed to go all the way to St Hilary's brow, I wanted to go and find out if it did but my dad pulled me back out... always wanted to go back there and check it out.
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 12th Oct 2007 5:50pm
Thanks for your comments smile

We will be / are making enquires about the New Brighton Tunnels,
but that's a different topic that we will hopefully be posting
soon. wink

Glad you enjoyed reading our progress, it was fun and hard work,
but a Team Effort that got all the information out. smile
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 19th Oct 2007 5:54pm
As i drove past the "Entrance" tonight it looks like it could
be once again be getting sealed up?
I say that as there was a community Patrol van at the edge
of the trees and a community police officer watching the van
i think and taking to some young kids.

Only guessing, but if its not i cant see it being very much longer.
Posted By: Waddi Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 19th Oct 2007 8:19pm
They might just be dealing with some drunken youths, it is friday after all.
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 19th Oct 2007 8:54pm
They have been there for at least 2hrs that i know of,
3pm - 5pm. Gut feeling is something is being changed.
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 19th Oct 2007 9:06pm
Go over and have a look, put an end to the speculation lol.

wink
Posted By: Waddi Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 19th Oct 2007 9:20pm
3pm - 5pm, kids are getting drunk earlier and earlier nowadays. Surely they would need a council works van with tools etc.
Posted By: vw_kyle Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 20th Oct 2007 4:59pm
bad news people went to go and investigate to see how are entrance is and look what theyve done.

there have been metal plates welded around the entrace its all been cemented up at the bottom and bolted dwn to the top of the rock.

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Posted By: SoundLad Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 20th Oct 2007 6:10pm
damn they dont want you going in there do they...
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 20th Oct 2007 6:53pm
That's actually embarrassing.
Did you stop laughing kyle?

Hardly environmentally friendly, nor fitting into the local
natural environment.

That checker plate has to be robbed its rusty lol

Thanks for the pic kyle,
is it flat the front or does it have a step in it ?
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 20th Oct 2007 9:24pm
fook me, any need for the amount of steel and concrete.

looks like someone like me could squeeze through the gap on the left still.
Posted By: Wheels Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 20th Oct 2007 9:30pm
lol looks easy. half ass job
Posted By: SoundLad Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 21st Oct 2007 1:18am
Wonder what the big idea is why they dont want you in there ?? cause by the looks at the photos the tunnels arnt leaking, they arnt falling apart and top it all off it looks great in there.
Posted By: jonah Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 21st Oct 2007 9:20am
i know its deffo like they wantin to hide something tho, love the botch job on the weldin and the concrete.... raftl
Posted By: vw_kyle Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 21st Oct 2007 11:11am
its a shit job all the plates are over lapping and welded and the left side is welded up aswell theres no way in there
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 21st Oct 2007 3:42pm
Not for 10 years anyway lol

I will when i have time have to take a walk over
and stand there and laugh my head off at the workmanship.

What an eye sore.
Posted By: vw_kyle Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 21st Oct 2007 3:55pm
it is mate its nasty
Posted By: Waddi Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 21st Oct 2007 5:04pm
thats a ugly job, maybe they plan to cover it with soil.

imho, it being blocked up only makes our pics more special.
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 21st Oct 2007 6:21pm
A Huge Time Capsule now smile

And Tux is still in there lol
Posted By: jonah Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 22nd Oct 2007 6:59am
think MISSION IMPOSSIBLE II : save the penquin! raftl
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 22nd Oct 2007 1:55pm
That looks very crude I must say! omg
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 27th Oct 2007 6:43pm
Haha the Rods are in Windows XP as a desktop background raftl
Posted By: Waddi Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 27th Oct 2007 6:58pm
Are you saying that on a standard version of XP, the bidston Rods gardens are available to select as a background. Without any updates, upgrades or mods?
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 27th Oct 2007 11:24pm
The Background you can select is called

"Rhododendron" its a horrible background tile.
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 27th Oct 2007 11:26pm
tease Looks just like Birkenhead - a horrible background tile for Liverpudlians to look at lmao grin
Posted By: Pomp Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 28th Oct 2007 2:40am
wah ad me confused then but i get it now
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 28th Oct 2007 2:46am
good good smile

Has it met with your approval Pompus?
Posted By: Pomp Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 28th Oct 2007 2:48am
yes Sinor Mathew the third
It was highly ammusing I must say
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 28th Oct 2007 2:56am
lol
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Nov 2007 5:11pm
With that shoddy work, it was bound to be re-open sooner or later:

The orange coke bottle is still there, so I used it for reference lol

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Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Nov 2007 5:15pm
Bloody el I think I could have done a better job then that and ive never welded in my life before lol.

Would it have really cost too much for them to use a single stonger plate grin
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Nov 2007 6:09pm
looool laugh
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Nov 2007 6:25pm
I was thinking of going over there to take pics too joe lol

They just don't have a clue our council.

That means another day the fire brigade has to check the
tunnels, someone has to seal them up and a community
police officer has to watch the van so it doesn't get
vandalised.

So a double wammy for the Tax Payer i say.
As i guess were paying for it.
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Nov 2007 6:27pm
I suppose it gave the local scally wags something to do during their spare time, so every cloud has a silver lining and all that grin
Posted By: Wheels Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Nov 2007 6:42pm
omg lmao! ripped apart lol
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Nov 2007 6:50pm
There will probably be a firework display in there and
and a bangers etc, and some one getting hurt no
Posted By: Waddi Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Nov 2007 8:45pm
Ha ha ha, what a joke, the council sealed that up worse than the explorers did, atleast the explorers filled it in with soil everytime they left and hid it from view, the council left it saying "look at me, guess what Im hiding" ofcourse the local scallys were gonna rip it off.

they have proberbly weighed the metal in. lol.

heres a thought, maybe the council/fire officers didnt search it properly, i.e up the ladder etc and left someone trapped in there and they broke it off trying to get out.

This is your mission if you choose to accept it:

RESCUE TUX!!!!!!!

this message will self-desruct in 769876438756239645 years.
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Nov 2007 9:01pm
that was a good responce waddi, lol laugh
Posted By: Waddi Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Nov 2007 9:05pm
wohoo, le Toto is back.

I wonder when the council will notice.
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Nov 2007 9:08pm
i`m not quite back, i`m using my mobile as a 768k modem, lol

I think the council will shut it down good and proper next time frown
Posted By: Waddi Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Nov 2007 9:19pm
you mean like concrete it all up.
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Nov 2007 11:20pm
Well enough of us pass it to notice the next seal up job,
and we can get pictures of that again too.

British Built just isnt what it used to be lol
Posted By: SoundLad Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 5th Nov 2007 3:44pm
didnt take long did it hehehehe smile
Posted By: vw_kyle Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 5th Nov 2007 4:35pm
it would of been secure if they done a decent weld on it it just shows how shit the council are but any way haha
Posted By: Waddi Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 5th Nov 2007 6:08pm
Originally Posted by BMW Joe

The orange coke bottle is still there, so I used it for reference lol


great council we have, they were doing some work and didnt even bother to tidy up some obvious litter.
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 5th Nov 2007 6:11pm
Private contractors i guess ??

"Holes r us" possibly
Posted By: vw_kyle Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 5th Nov 2007 7:27pm
haha
Posted By: peodude Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 7th Nov 2007 3:09pm
Really fantastic stuff guys. WELL DONE!
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 7th Nov 2007 3:25pm
Congrats to you peodude for reading the 377 posts wink

Thank you smile
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Nov 2007 5:15pm
Went and took some more photo's today, still in the same condition, and more to the point, although the council used concrete, in their infinate wisdom, they decided not to backfill the entrance - cost cutting maybe - so the tunnels are still well and truely open lol.

Photos are a bit shit as they were on the phone and not me camera.

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Posted By: jonah Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Nov 2007 8:59pm
typical council workmanship ! tut tut !
Posted By: vw_kyle Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 12th Nov 2007 5:00pm
the work thats gone into this job the quality is outstanding you wont see something like this everyday lol lol
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Nov 2007 10:40am
If anyone has a camera, to get over to the Tunnels Entrance
today ive just had a call from Hoseman saying that the council are there heavy handed.

Loads of equipment, Fire Brigade, Incident Unit, and more.
Looks like the Tunnels will either be getting a face lift
of closed for good this time.

I would be there, but have a delivery coming today

Its all happening today.
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Nov 2007 2:22pm
Just been over there, the Fire Brigade and Incident Unit have now gone only the council blocking up the entrance now.

I have some pictures.
Its more steel and a hell of a lot of concrete.
I think they may have sealed it properly now, but will
have to see the finished result.

Will try and get pictures up later,
pc is in bits so i'm a little stuck.
Posted By: AR_One Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Nov 2007 2:29pm
Bunked off to "work at home" this afternoon and saw the council van - it's very sad but thanks you guys for recording what's under there for us.

I guess Tux is sealed under Bidston Hill forever now!
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Nov 2007 5:58pm
Yeh it will be like planet of the apes when they find the
dolls at the end lol...

Here are my pictures from this afternoon.
There is a Good Base of concrete from what i could see.

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The lads down there did say the first one was "A Temp Fix".
Of course it was lol.


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Posted By: Wheels Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Nov 2007 6:24pm
nice one mark.

white suits tho??? hmmmm
Posted By: ghostly1 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Nov 2007 9:56pm
Just read this whole thread like a book from start to finish. Completely lost track of time and its been about 2 hours. Amazing!! Hats off to you guys!! clap Bit of a sad ending though. Surely thats not the end of this saga though?? thumbsup
Posted By: AR_One Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Nov 2007 10:22pm
"Surely thats not the end of this saga though?"

I guess unless the secret entrance in the garden is found or what was behind that door is ever discovered it could be!
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Dec 2007 6:56am
Went there yesterday (Friday), le Totopopadopolus popped down to have a look too, they have a done a very very permanent job, quite thick and strong steel, backfilled with concrete and filled in front with concrete too.

The steel is bolted fimrly into the concrete on the top, the bolts have also been post-welded to the steel so no chance of undoing them, and the bottom of the steel has been secured in a concrete base.

Nobody is getting through that I can assure you. Took me camera but left the batteries in me car and couldnt be bothered walking back for em lol, was waiting for ste to arrive.

Only one (difficult) remaining entrance now.

smile
Posted By: jonah Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Dec 2007 12:38pm
gutted, thumbsdown lets not let this drop just yet, there are more entrances, we just need to find them !!!
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 12th Dec 2007 2:32pm
What ever they have done its huge, as you can now see it
from the road as you pass the Grey metal plate.

Will try and get over that way at some point to get
updated pictures.

I think its safe to say "TUX" may be lost forever now lol
Posted By: krisGTi Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 13th Dec 2007 7:37pm
pic of how the entrance looks now

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Posted By: chiccy Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 13th Dec 2007 7:42pm
bugger me thats erm....fort knox


rip tux
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 13th Dec 2007 7:46pm
perhaps the previous attempt was a temporary measure til resources were available or risk assessment had been carried out or some other stoopid health and safety shite
Posted By: Pomp Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 13th Dec 2007 7:53pm
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Posted By: chiccy Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 13th Dec 2007 9:18pm
lol pomp
Posted By: Mondeo_Scott Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 14th Dec 2007 12:47am
pomp we are in the 21st centuary now mate them times have been and gone wid the wind lol but good idea tho
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 14th Dec 2007 12:51am
how do you propose we get it open then fairweather scott?

Probably summit involving your Nissan or your dads wallet knowing you haha!
Posted By: Mondeo_Scott Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 14th Dec 2007 12:52am
c4 mate best thing in the world raftl
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 14th Dec 2007 12:55am
where ya gonna get it though?
Posted By: Mondeo_Scott Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 14th Dec 2007 12:55am
i will find away lmao i will see me dad see if he still has contacts wid the MOD raftl
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 14th Dec 2007 12:56am
lol he probably has some in the garage, the crap he has in that garage prob got ww2 bombs n allsorts just waiting to go off!
Posted By: Mondeo_Scott Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 14th Dec 2007 12:57am
thats sounds like me dad lmao
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 14th Dec 2007 1:00am
lol yer he got it sussed
Posted By: Mondeo_Scott Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 14th Dec 2007 2:32am
i thin every omega driver has it sussed lol by seein that other dude tonight in his
Posted By: LukeORourke Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 14th Dec 2007 2:56am
"tear rolling down my eye" wish i was back in tranmere with you lot inside the tunnels but i'm in au
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 14th Dec 2007 3:30am
gutted fella, well one day they may be able to open up the tranmere tunnels (the bidston tunnels are a no go though now) to the public and you might be able visit here and pop along to go in them!

We live in hope, im sure they will open them one day. In the meantime, we must conquer them some day soon!
Posted By: krisGTi Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 14th Dec 2007 3:56am
when the weather is walmer
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 14th Dec 2007 3:57am
lol yeah i agree with that lmao!
Posted By: AR_One Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 14th Dec 2007 9:31am
Yeah that's not coming open without a bulldozer and I hope that Tyler and John think that they're very grown up and clever........


What about the other entrance about 50 yards to the left of this one - it looked less disturbed does anyone think that there's a chance it could be dug out?
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 14th Dec 2007 2:35pm
Me an le Toto had a look at it again the other day, we believe that whilst it is actually possible to get in via it, it would a lot of hard word and probably need a decent pick axe or two if not even heavier machinery.

It just depends on how deep the cement and rocks go tbh.

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Since I took this photo, someone has had a go at digging around it, me and Totopop were intrigued to see. But they didnt really get far to be honest.

Althought its still open to much debate, I am pretty sure this is the other entrance and most probably the steel door entrance, as it is very un-natural the mound and the concrete, there is a deffinate cutting into the rock and there is what looks to be a wooden beam going across the cutting.

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Posted By: AR_One Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 14th Dec 2007 2:44pm
It's sad to think that it may be many years before anyone else walks where that photo was taken!
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 14th Dec 2007 2:50pm
Originally Posted by AR_One
It's sad to think that it may be many years before anyone else walks where that photo was taken!

Yes, it most certainly is frown
Posted By: ghostly1 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 28th Dec 2007 7:39pm
Birkenhead Monks Tunnels.
Just found this on you tube.
Has this been mentioned before? I dont know where they are or if they're half as impressive as the Bidston or Tranmere tunnels but they might be worth a look. Any ideas where they are?

The Video is No longer available (You tube or owner removed it)
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 28th Dec 2007 7:43pm
Ive heard of the monks tunnels, but only in the context of the ones leading from the priory itself built in the 1300's that are conpletely blocked off.

However there are loads of tunnels around there from what people have said and these could just be tunnels near the priory so classed as the monks tunnels.

The problem with that video is its very hard to see anything, for all we know they could just be in a sewer or a train tunnel lol.
Posted By: ghostly1 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 28th Dec 2007 7:52pm
Your right. They are looking more like train tunnels in the other vids. I wonder if its the abandoned tracks running under neath birkenhead?
Posted By: chriskay Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Dec 2007 11:35am
I'd be pretty sure this is the old rail tunnel from Town station to Woodside, or maybe the branch to MONKS FERRY.
http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/stations/b/birkenhead_town/index.shtml
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 30th Dec 2007 3:34pm
From the SOUND of it (because the images are of no help) it's a reasonable sized tunnel. Could well be the tunnel down to the old coal sidings at Monks Ferry. Went down there moons ago (just after they lifted the track to Woodside). The branch had been lifted sometime before that.
Posted By: chriskay Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 31st Dec 2007 9:54am
Mike, the more I look at it, the more I think it's the tunnel to Woodside. As you say, the first video is useless, but the next shows the metal fencing & RSJ over; (compare with the link I posted from subbrit). Also, at 3 seconds in, is that a hint of the Monks Ferry tunnel on the right? The third video in the sequence shows the fencing from the inside, but, importantly, seems to show a wide, twin track, tunnel.
Thoughts?
Cheers, Chris.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 31st Dec 2007 10:54am
Mmmm. Maybe it's my monitor (needs a new wick !) but I can't make anything out. Just the same black cat in the coal cellar at midnight ! Can't see anything at 3 secs in.

From what you say in your prev. post I must agree with you.

Have sent you an email re: DVD R'ferry-Chester.

Cheers,
Mike
Posted By: Broad97 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 12th Jan 2008 10:09am
The best way into the caves was via the ventilation shaft, in 1979 when I was 17 prompted by stories about the cave a friend and I found the shaft, it was covered with a brick building which had a huge concrete roof, the building’s door and ventilation openings had long been bricked up and it just had the appearance of disused sub station

We returned the next day armed with bolster chisels and lump hammers and climbed onto the roof, leaning over we took turns removing the mortar around one brick until we could remove it other bricks came out more easily until there was a large enough opening to crawl into, after going through two courses we went home

The next day we went back with torches to start exploring, now when we leaned inside from the roof and shone the torch in we could see a steel ladder bolted to the wall on the other side and by luck rather than judgement an iron girder stretched from the entrance we had made directly to the ladder so we crawled in and clinging on to the girder for dear life shimmied our way to the ladder once on the ladder we climbed down about 50ft until we reached a concrete landing when we shone the torch up we could see the daylight on the girder and it became clear that it was previously used as a hoist to lower things down the shaft because when we shone the torch down we cold see tat the landing only covered about a third of the shaft and space in the middle was just a huge void.

We climbed down another 3 ladders until we reached the bottom when we reached the bottom in front of the shaft was a wall with an array of electrical switch gear on it, to the side of the wall was an opening and when we walked through it we were in the caves.

It is hard to describe the caves except to say that they are immense they are more like brick lined tunnels there are about 2-3 inches of water all over the floor so most of the time you are wading through it there are tunnels off tunnels that lead to closed steel doors three are toilets in them that had long been vandalised and you can actually find your way to the main entrance which has been sealed up with concrete.

Believe it or not we got lost down there for hours, we could not find our way out because everywhere looks the same the batteries ran out on our torches and we found ourselves walking along the wall on our right hand side searching for the opening to the ventilation shaft, we were honestly scared shitless because it was so dark that we could not even see each other but we eventually found the opening and climbed up, shimmying across the girder was nerve wracking because we knew there was a 200ft drop below us, but we got out and went home.

The word got out that we had got in and the next day about five lads went with my mate, I stayed at home, to save having to go across the girder my mate took the lump hammer and the chisel back to make a hole in the wall near the ladder leaning off the roof as he was chipping out the mortar the police turned up and everybody scampered leaving my mate on the roof instead of coming down he crawled through the hole and went across the girder and stayed in there for hours but when he came out the police were still waiting for him and he was charged with criminal damage to government property.

Believe it or not he was sentenced to 3 month Detention centre for a first offence because they wanted to make an example of him, shortly afterwards the building was demolished and the concrete roof was used to seal the shaft.

I am sure that a bit of exploration on top of the hill would unearth the concrete slab but to get in now you would have to dig a hole next to the slab until you came across the brick wall of the shaft and then go through the wall my advise though for what it is worth is to leave it alone it was sealed up for a reason and that is because it is dangerous
Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 12th Jan 2008 10:13am
is this area close to the cock pit
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 12th Jan 2008 10:14am
Hmmm very interesting, we found a randomly placed concrete slab not far from where we believe to be the shaft location, although it is about 20 metres maybe a bit more away.

Probably nearer the "cock pit" then the believed shaft location.

I went back to the believe shaft location the other day, I still rekon its the location, were the walls of the shaft building knocked in on themselves when they demolished it?

smile
Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 12th Jan 2008 10:21am
in the woods about 20 yds west of the mound pictured on here with the crutch .there is a concrete slab bedded in to the ground with a lot of red brick and there is also something similar downn the hill toward bidston hall ????

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Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 12th Jan 2008 10:26am
This is what we believe to be the remains of the shaft/shaft building (these were taken in summer, it has changed a bit but not much), are these were you believe it could be (looking back on it in retrospect, they could be a bit too far away?):

Just had to raid through 2000+ photos to find them haha!

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Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 12th Jan 2008 10:29am
yeah thats the one further down the wood but our first pic is actually about 20 mtrs east of that ..hmmmm
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 12th Jan 2008 10:30am
Did you notice a big concrete slab a few metres away from the cock pit? Even with the stregnth and might of Jonah and Whelan we couldnt lift it, but it is a bit suspiciously placed.

smile
Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 12th Jan 2008 10:32am
yep we took a pic but for some reason its just a blur .but im takin the dogs up there in about half n hour so i will have another scout around
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 12th Jan 2008 10:32am
Hmmm, just had a thought, if it weighs less then 4 tonnes, when the summer comes, a couple of trolley jacks could reveal its secrets... im starting to think this could be the area now since Broad posted that?

smile
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 12th Jan 2008 10:34am
Originally Posted by jonno39
yep we took a pic but for some reason its just a blur .but im takin the dogs up there in about half n hour so i will have another scout around

Thats great fella, it may help Broad to recognise it smile
Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 12th Jan 2008 10:36am
when i was there the other day i dug down a little with a walking stick an kept hitting concrete .so im not sure if thats just a primary cap and there is another slab below but its gotta be worth a try.not sure i wanna go to a detention centre though ..LOL
Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 12th Jan 2008 10:38am
Will post them later on today then
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 12th Jan 2008 10:39am
Cheers mate smile
Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 12th Jan 2008 10:43am
have you noticed that a lot of the things that are being found as poss entrances on the hill seem to be the same red brick is this just coincidence ,and they seem to be of the same type thats in the tunnels ,we have found poss evidence of an old entrance to some where blocked off which has used the same brick;see old flaybrick road
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 12th Jan 2008 10:45am
Yes, I have noticed that. I am still not sure we have found the entrance in the rods as yet, I have yet to see any evidence of this, and our planned search for it never happened. Atm, the only evidence I see is the place me and Totopop believe to be the other exit, about 100 yards to the left of the main entrance.

I enjoyed our big skirmish across the hill looking for the shaft last summer, and if the entrance in the rods isnt found in the next few months, I would love to do another one hehe!

smile
Posted By: Broad97 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 12th Jan 2008 11:46am
In 1979 when they demolished the building they litterally lifted the roof up knocked the walls ito the shaft and lowered the roof back down to the ground, at a rough estimate I would say the slab would be about 10ftx10ft the walls of the shaft are built of brick and the easiest way in would definately be to dig a hole at the side of the slab untill the brickwork is enearthed and then go in through the wall but remember that the walls of the building might have damaged the landings so going in by rope would be the safest bet

If you do get in and you find the steel doors....... who knows what is behind them
Posted By: chriskay Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 12th Jan 2008 12:05pm
Originally Posted by jonno39
not sure i wanna go to a detention centre though ..LOL


Oh, don't worry, jonno, no detention centre for you; straight to the gallows thumbsdown
Posted By: chriskay Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 12th Jan 2008 12:09pm
Originally Posted by Broad97
In 1979 when they demolished the building they litterally lifted the roof up knocked the walls ito the shaft and lowered the roof back down to the ground, at a rough estimate I would say the slab would be about 10ftx10ft the walls of the shaft are built of brick and the easiest way in would definately be to dig a hole at the side of the slab untill the brickwork is enearthed and then go in through the wall but remember that the walls of the building might have damaged the landings so going in by rope would be the safest bet

If you do get in and you find the steel doors....... who knows what is behind them


Do you know how they lifted the slab? It must weigh several tons.

Cheers, Chris.
Posted By: Broad97 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 12th Jan 2008 1:18pm
Well that is what puzzled us at the time been as we were not there when they demolished it I can only assume that they got a JCB up there to do the job
Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 12th Jan 2008 2:53pm
not sure if you guys have found this but,if you follow the path past the cock pit on the left there is a little track that goes off into the wood when you follow it you come accros this (see pics).they are dodgy pics (sorry) but there is a concrete slab that was covered in foliage with a lot of old red brick walls in the soil around it the slab at rough estimate is about 6x8 and extremely thick.we had to dig some to find it .you can see the length on the pic with the other half in she is stood at the far end and pic taken from bottom.think that there has deffo been a small red bricked building there at some point .

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Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 12th Jan 2008 4:49pm
I think its one of our first discoveries on the top looking
for the vent shaft.

If where your saying is at the mini cross roads

turn right = cockpit
turn left = that pile of rubble after about 30 - 40 paces?

We can say its pretty much a decoy.
But yes there used to be look out "Red Brick Buildings" Up there.

I think you have the bug like we had too lol
Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 12th Jan 2008 6:30pm
think so.but not sure we r talking about the same place or maybe we are ,dont remember the mini crossroad and there wernt any rubble piles ,there were further up.and when you went did you expose any of the slab because this was pretty hidden.do you know if anyone has been to the archive service in the townhall
Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 12th Jan 2008 6:33pm
its hard to describe exactly where but you guys have been looking longer than me and the more i think about it you would probaly found this.so its back to scouring the hill lol
Posted By: Broad97 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 13th Jan 2008 7:55am
Hope this helps, the main entrance was one visable from the road and I wont be far off the mark with this, the ventilation shaft was on top of the hill virtually behind the main entrance it was only maybe 100-150 yards away from the main entrance as the crow flys, it was a free standing building in a clearing and not in the woods

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Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 13th Jan 2008 8:20am
well that blows my theory out the water lol ..
Posted By: chriskay Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 13th Jan 2008 11:38am
Originally Posted by Broad97
In 1979 when they demolished the building they litterally lifted the roof up knocked the walls ito the shaft and lowered the roof back down to the ground, at a rough estimate I would say the slab would be about 10ftx10ft the walls of the shaft are built of brick and the easiest way in would definately be to dig a hole at the side of the slab untill the brickwork is enearthed and then go in through the wall but remember that the walls of the building might have damaged the landings so going in by rope would be the safest bet

If you do get in and you find the steel doors....... who knows what is behind them


Just been back through this thread & from the pics. (page 8) there doesn't seem to be evidence of the brick walls having been knocked into the shaft, although that would seem to have been the logical thing to do. Do any members of the intrepid exploration team remember seeing a load of bricks? Also, the great video is no longer available, which is a pity. Anyone know why?

Cheers, Chris.
Posted By: Broad97 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 13th Jan 2008 12:09pm
chriskay
The walls will not be visible the only clue will be the concrete slab I may well be wrong about about the walls getting dumped into the shaft the bricks may have been taken away I just posted what I believed to be true from what I was told at the time. Everything else I have posted is 100% accurate from first hand experiance. One other thing I forgot to mention though is that inside the shaft on one of the landings is a huge air raid siren so big that you can sit on top of it
Posted By: chriskay Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 13th Jan 2008 12:47pm
Originally Posted by Broad97
chriskay
The walls will not be visible the only clue will be the concrete slab I may well be wrong about about the walls getting dumped into the shaft the bricks may have been taken away I just posted what I believed to be true from what I was told at the time. Everything else I have posted is 100% accurate from first hand experiance. One other thing I forgot to mention though is that inside the shaft on one of the landings is a huge air raid siren so big that you can sit on top of it


Hi, Broad97; yes, I think the bricks weren't thrown into the shaft, I guess because the council didn't want to damage the ladders, just in case of possible future access. By all reports, there's quite a lot of bricks lying around the area, though I haven't seen them myself. The large item on the landing isn't an air raid siren, it's a ventilation fan, same as the ones used in the Tranmere tunnels.

Cheers, Chris.
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 13th Jan 2008 6:48pm
On 28days they mention the shaft was filled with cement??

Do you remember much about the shaft at all Chris? How deep was the first set of ladders? Was it one set, then a trap door and another set leading into the tunnels themselves, or was it just ladders from start to finish?

We found a trap door kinda thing you see.
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 14th Jan 2008 12:31am
Originally Posted by Broad97
chriskay
The walls will not be visible the only clue will be the concrete slab I may well be wrong about about the walls getting dumped into the shaft the bricks may have been taken away I just posted what I believed to be true from what I was told at the time. Everything else I have posted is 100% accurate from first hand experience. One other thing I forgot to mention though is that inside the shaft on one of the landings is a huge air raid siren so big that you can sit on top of it


Broad97
Hi there, looking at your picture i think your off the mark a little. The marker closest to the houses is where we suspected the entrance behind the steel door to be at the end of the tunnels. We measured them out and your arrow is just too far to the right to be part of the "Bidston Tunnel" complex we discovered. How ever we have been told that at the front there was 3 Entrances. If the entrance we use was say Number one all the way to the right. And another Entrance is almost in line with the last house on that row and the field, apparently you could see it from the main road (Bus stop) and that was the reference i was told they used, now ive also been informed that there is a 3rd Entrance with was or could be pretty much where your pin marker is. Maybe a tiny bit towards the main road, but we found cuts in the Rocks which look man made, and if it was the same place there is a whole lot of dirt been poured over it.

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The Vent shaft
To my knowledge and i'm no expert as we only found the one ventilation shaft, but that's over beside the "cock Pit" a good distance from where you have pointed out. What i can say about the one we found is that at half way up the shaft was a ventilation thing that looked like an air raid siren. The Shaft its self was cut into the rock we can tell you that much. There was alot of sand / soil at the bottom of the top most ladder but no bricks that we could see. I think we are talking about the same shaft. if you go back and read the topic and the way we found and explored the tunnels and shafts you may find it helpful. There is alot of myths and idea's about where things are.
No Brick walls, this is the final part to going up the shaft.
And we left TUX the Penguin in there at the top as a momento.
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Just a little recap but there is still more to find and discover this is what we all feel strongly about.

It would be amazing if some one had a original picture of the
entrances in there hay day.
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 14th Jan 2008 12:38am
Originally Posted by jonno39
its hard to describe exactly where but you guys have been looking longer than me and the more i think about it you would probaly found this.so its back to scouring the hill lol


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See this post Click Me

The last ones show you where we were on Bidston hill.

The little flag is where the vent shaft is.
Beyond that, from the picture angle would be where we found a load of rubble and a big cement slab on its side.
Hope that helps?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 14th Jan 2008 7:18am
Whenever anyone is next at the above mentioned "slab", could they take a tape measure and measure it please ? Thickness/depth and length of one side would be great.

Why ? I have a close up photo of one of the Tranmere vents. From memory, the Bidston one was identical. They were constructed at more or less the same time. No doubt a standard drawing would be used. With a bit of scaling, we could say with certainty, whether or not it's from the vent or something else. If it is from the vent, the filled or capped shaft will be (very) close. They won't have bothered moving something that must weight a couple of tons too far without due cause ! Just an idea.

Ta muchly.

Mike.
Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 14th Jan 2008 8:53am
the concrete slab i have found is about 10 mtrs past the one on its side .and it is well buried in to the ground(couldnt see the whole slab)it is also well bedded into the ground and well grown over. i would say that it is about 8x6 and about 12-18in thick. i will be backup with the dogs some time this week so as requested i will take some measurements of both areas
Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 14th Jan 2008 9:25am
not sure if this helps but its just a rough guide
4/is roughly where the rubble pile is
5/is where we have found the large square bedded in slab

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Posted By: Anonymous Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 14th Jan 2008 9:30am
Thanks jonno. That would be great.
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 14th Jan 2008 6:07pm
4 is where we first thought the shaft Entrance was.
We moved a little dirt to see what we could see.

5 I dont think any of us got that deep into the woods. (Good Find)

So 4 is the part we discovered and now you have found wink
As i Called it the "cross roads" as the main path is
between the Cock pit and No 4.

The Shaft Old Building.
Don't shoot me as its what i was told.
My Uncle as a child played in the Tunnels and they would use the shaft entrance as there way into an apple orchard which is now gone. But it used to be covered with a "Red Brick Building" But this Building had a wooden door. SO every time the council came out to repair it and stop people using the shaft, it was as i was told pretty easy and 2 kicks later and the door was kicked in. And access to the shaft would not be a problem again.

Now in the same breath, i'm also told that there were other red brick buildings 2 or 3 which were viewing buildings, i cant think of the correct word, anyway a small building say 6ft High and 10ft wide on each side?? But they had small slits in them that the army could use as something like a turret or something.

And now it gets a little confusing as i'm sure that the picture chriskay put up could be something very similar, but this picture was more to do with the Tranmere tunnels (please keep this thread to the bidston tunnels)

So you can see how the past could be getting distorted.
But the picture could be a clue to what was there?




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Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 14th Jan 2008 6:21pm
the slab roof here is very similar to what we have found in the wood .if anyone would like me to show them exactly where please ask as i live very local to the hill (5 min walk)and it wouldnt be a problem at all
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 14th Jan 2008 6:31pm
If it stops bloody raining i may come a long for the ride wink
And a mini meet up too smile
Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 14th Jan 2008 6:36pm
cool just let us know when :>
Posted By: Broad97 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 14th Jan 2008 7:12pm
Mark
You have made me look a right plonker but fair due's to you mate I should have read the thread before I posted on it, looking at your photo,s it's hard to believe that I thought the ventilation shaft was about 200ft deep but bear in mind there were two of us when we went down that shaft we were 17 yrs old and the best we had for lighting was the front lamps from our bikes as we were going down we couldn't see our feet below us, it felt as if we were decending into the bowels of the earth

I left the Wirral in 1981 and I have not been back to Bidston hill since so dont you think my guestimate's of the entrance and the shaft are pretty good?, when we found the shaft building we had been directed there by an old bloke that I worked with who told us to walk up the hill in a straight line from the top of the entrance so I am quite pleased with myself for getting near the mark on Google Earth with 29 yrs worth of undergrowth to contend with.

The graffiti tells a facinating story though dont you think? every generation seems to find their way in and leave their mark, I hope you left yours

The picture of the building you have posted is prety much bang on to the one I encountered all those years ago, You can see why we lay on the roof to smash our way in

PEACE
Posted By: chriskay Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 14th Jan 2008 11:27pm
Originally Posted by Mark

And now it gets a little confusing as i'm sure that the picture chriskay put up could be something very similar, but this picture was more to do with the Tranmere tunnels (please keep this thread to the bidston tunnels)


Actually, that picture comes courtesy of Pinzgauer, from another site, & I should not have used it without his permission. It is almost certain that the Bidston one was of the same design. You can see the concrete lintel over where the door was.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 15th Jan 2008 11:01am
No Problems Chris. The picture shows the roof slab in all its glory! If enough is showing of the Bidston "slab", a quick measure of one face plus the thickness should verify if it's from the Bidston vent.

Bearing in mind the bricks are "imperial" not metric rhubarb, it should be simple to scale.

Thanks in anticipation to jonno and others helping out !

Posted By: chriskay Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 15th Jan 2008 11:58am
Originally Posted by Pinzgauer

Bearing in mind the bricks are "imperial" not metric rhubarb, it should be simple to scale.


Just done that. The buildings are 8' square (that's 2.4384 metres for you metric wimps grin). I judge that the roof slab overhang is about 6", so the length of the slab is about 9'(2.7432 metres).
Incidentally, the Frodsham St. one illustrated above, is built in Flemish bond, but the Seymour St. one (you know about that one, Pinzgauer) is in English bond: there's a bit of useless information for you, although perhaps it indicates that the 2 buildings, which are only 1/4 mile apart were built by different gangs.
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 15th Jan 2008 6:27pm
Broad97 - Never meant anyone to look a plonker.
We knew nothing of them, and as if any one will see that our journey was long, and many learning curves. You done very well with your locations wink But any funny or adventure stories of those days would be a great addition to this thread. As i didn't grow up around here i was born birkenhead.

Sorry Chris & Pinzgauer i didn't realise, glad its all well that ends well and where not throwing crutches at each other lol.

I think this topic is just getting better and better as the dots begin to join up.

I can now find my uncle and show him the picture and say where the army then lol (kidding)....

I would so much love "friends of Bidston hill" to get involved with this thread as ive been told they know a lot about the tunnels.

And yet the rumors still continue about connecting tunnels etc.
We looked and looked but no joy.
Posted By: chriskay Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 15th Jan 2008 6:43pm
Originally Posted by Mark

I would so much love "friends of Bidston hill" to get involved with this thread as ive been told they know a lot about the tunnels.


Have you tried contacting them, Mark? I don't think they'll want to get involved, but you never know.
http://www.friendsofbidstonhill.com/

Cheers, Chris.
Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 28th Jan 2008 9:45am
i was speaking to guy over the weekend that is in the process of writing a book about the north end during the war.he informed me that he has researched the tunnels,apparently they were originally built as an ammo dump when the government were in fear of invasion but as this never happened they may have been used as shelters. he also has proof that the vent shaft(there is more than one)is in the grounds of the Club house and is no longer accessible as the council filled it with sand and brick.the guy is gonna drop some pics and maps off and i will (with his permission post them on here

JONNO39
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 28th Jan 2008 12:53pm
excellent, can't wait smile
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 28th Jan 2008 6:58pm
Me and my uncle (previously posted)
Went up to the club house to ask in a round about way about
any vent shaft when we didn't know where it was.

And the lady there didn't know anything about it.
The guy that was out was a member of the "Friends of Bidston Hill" she thought could and would know about it if there was any, but unfortunately he never got back to me after his holidays.

Wow if there is more that would be great.
But i think Joe would agree there cant be any more shafts
from the tunnels we were in, as we looked and looked,
as there was "Supposedly a Exit" Near the "Arm Chair" next to
Boundry road. The exit was on the map, but we could find
nothing in the tunnels, and we looked and double checked.

Club House :
It was named so as its ownership was won on the turn of a card, a club wink
i played in these as a kid (hooligan would be a better word) i am 30 now and we used to play 'allio' in them. I have family down there, i remember nicking a car battery and spotlight of my cousins car and going down there. from what i know they were the air raid shelters for the dock workers from the north end. I can be contacted at [email protected] it was good to see the pictures, i remember making tarzan swings on 'biddy hill' as it was called localy. enough for now tho, thanks for the memories
if i remember my mega old aunt and various family telling me it was not just a shaft for venting, it was the siren ops room to sound the air raid siren, i even remember the old toilets and shower blocks, unfortunately smashed but still there about 16 years ago when playing'allio' contact me direct [email protected]
one other thing, the rows where marked alphabetically with the a,b,c etc painted on the ends of the rows and at the 'Giant rat end' there was a steel door which acces was not obtainable to, this was the ammo room/dump the rest according to an aunt who is 27 million years old and lives and has done forever on hoylake road told me and our mob all about them, the steel door is located on the map at the most eastern end shown on the map, east to find underground (the steel door) but we never found this above ground, i only know it was the most easterly as i had a compass with me and my car battery and spotlight (soz couz gary it was me who nicked it off ya fiesta) i remember also the ladders up to the siren and crapping myself as i hated hieghts more back then, i think they was in a two setup arrangement and not in the best state of repair. i think these should be declassified so the public can visit them, i was one of a privileded few to get in, oh and on about exits, i never did find out if this was true but we was told an entrance/exit is in the yard of the observetary in the yard of the old part, how true this is i do not know. we did think this might be where the siren ladders cam out but without the a-team with us we never broke through lol.
i remember playing in these with my couz. all about 16 years ago (not admiting to breaking into them like!!)
[email protected] for direct responce
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Feb 2008 9:24pm
thanks for sharing your memories smile
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Feb 2008 9:50pm
placidmaster

I love the million old aunt stuff lol....
Its a long thread we have running but most of the stuff you mention we found and, you will be pleased to know documented. You can cross check by going back a good few post wink

Yeh we got the letters on the walls.
We seen the Steel Door.
You can see where the "Vent Shaft" comes out wink
Its not in the observatory frown

You didnt leave a moped in there did you?
We think the council has closed this for good now frown
Or until the next person arrives with cutting gear and a digger happy

As Joe says thanks for sharing your thoughts and memories.
Were making a new discovery at the mo, on the hill but the
weather isnt fantastic frown

Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Feb 2008 10:10pm
Originally Posted by Mark

Were making a new discovery at the mo, on the hill but the
weather isnt fantastic frown


Are we? Share cos me not know about this! omg

And im up for discoveries in any weather you know me, got asked if I was cold and indeed mad a few times when I was pottering about looking for the foundations of the old peg windmill.
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Feb 2008 10:55pm
Originally Posted by MattLFC
Originally Posted by Mark

Were making a new discovery at the mo, on the hill but the
weather isnt fantastic frown


Are we? Share cos me not know about this! omg


same here?? think
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Feb 2008 12:26am
For those who don't keep up lol

Click Me

A wall in the undergrowth and rumors of another vent shaft?
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Feb 2008 12:36am
I didnt know we were investigating that?? Its impossible to get any further without some serious lifting equipment to do the honours...

We saw this last year too?

confused
Posted By: jonah Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Feb 2008 8:39am
Originally Posted by MattLFC
Its impossible to get any further without some serious lifting equipment to do the honours...

We saw this last year too?

confused

by this you mean me and wheels ? i'll be available when wrist is better... lol
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Feb 2008 12:06pm
No I mean like a couple of trolley jacks might do, just to have a look, but summit like a really strong fork lift truck yano.

I think we tried to lift this last year, and we found it impossible, the day we had a skirmish across the hill haha!

smile
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Feb 2008 4:11pm
Its not one of our sites omg
Its deeper in the woods from the big dig site omg

That's what i get when i read it.
And also there could be more coming about more shafts?

Its all good stuff.
thanks all for keeping me up to date, stuck on night shift for the next couple of nights so i will pop back now and then to have a proper look through when i get time, and the moped was already there lol, to all of you in that part of the world i wil catch up over the next few days, one question, is this a history site for all wirral???
oh ps, when in our tribe of misfits (some may remember, i am the lad who welded three bmx bikes together and my couz and friends rode it everywhere (16 years ago) and about this time the lads (not me, too spooky) got into a massive tomb underground tomb in the cemetry nearby, i think it was off mercer road (i forget names of the streets now) and they discovered quite a few things, i remember rocky's brother found that if u break into tombs you get a free trip to arrowe park hospital and told u have scarlet fever, not good not good, apparently never had it in the wirral for over 20 years (at time of happening) but not my idea of fun, please i was not there that day lol, soz to ur little bro rocky if he sees this and gets dropped in the pooh, cant remember what we told his folks but i remember researching it and turns out that the plague victims where buried there. just letting you know incase any of u end up with scarlet fever and people wonder where u have been digging. take care from the land of frogs legs and speak soon.
Posted By: chriskay Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Feb 2008 7:46pm
Welcome to the site, & yes, it's for all of Wirral.
I'm an ex-pat too, though not as far away.

Cheers, Chris.
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Feb 2008 11:06pm
plasidmaster smile
I'm a Ex-pat from the age of 2year until my return at the age of 21 so i wouldnt have seen you and your bmx lol..

We have 2 Tombs we know of at Flaybrick and another area
that has been developed with new houses which could be
the same place.

Could it be this one Click me

And the other one.. which i dont this we have a picture of but
its not too far away from this the picture with 3 faces.

It has steel covering the opening now. Click Me

Yep the site is just for wirral people, so no matter where
we live we can always catch up.

Thanks for sharing your stories.
Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 3rd Feb 2008 10:01am
the site mark is referring to on the hill is about another 10 mtrs down the path from the cock pit and about 10 metres into the undergrowth and is very overgrown.
i was up there yesterday and on reflection it would take some serious lifting or digging to carry out any further investigation

as mentioned in an earlier post i have been speaking to a guy who is actually writing a book about the north end /bidston and he tells me that when the tunnels were constructed the original plan was to have two/three shafts on the hill but as the tunnels were never actually completed these shafts were also never completed.although the buildings to cover the entrances were and these were used by the home guard at some point as shelter whilst fire spotting.I am trying to get some maps and info from him but he is abit reluctant to let me have to much until the book is published(hopefully this year).during the course of his research he has discovered that the tunnels are still classified(why)so this would explain the lack of public information about them. :>
Posted By: vw_kyle Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 3rd Feb 2008 11:54am
interesting
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 3rd Feb 2008 12:04pm
jonno39

There are a lot of connections your making there that make sense.
Home guard and vent shaft buildings, and how there were plans
for more shafts but never completed.

Very useful info happy

I would love to see a picture of the entrances on Hoylake Road
when they were open in there hey day.

As were sure there are other entrances but where is the question.
Apparently there were 3 along the front spaced out.
We got in to one and explored the tunnels.

The other 2 are a mystery to be fair, no real evidence except word and mouth.

Thanks for the info jonno
Posted By: MerseyMan Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 3rd Feb 2008 12:08pm
I have read there were actually AA guns situated on the hill, though where I don't know. Though I do know that AA were situated behind what was Vyner Primary School, from Google maps you can actually notice the difference in the earth works behind the school where the guns were located, and just by Bidston station I'm sure there were 'Starfish' decoys where burning oil would be lit to detract German bombers from bombing Bidston/Birkenhead docks. As a kid remains of those structures where still there in the marsh area by Bidston Station, now fully overgrown but no doubt the structures are still there. I'm surprised I have not come across any photos of the Bidston Shelter, be it the main entrance or ventilation/escape points, as Tranmere tunnels photographs are available. frown
cheers paul, and did you not sing call me al, sorry bet if you had a penny for everytime...........
As an ex military man myself I can only assume that as the dock are still of strategic importance, in this day and age since bin laden airways started to fly in 2001 I imagine a decision to keep the shelters for future use is still in place, after all we are still up G.W Bush's arse to make sure we can all get fooked on herion and steal Iraq's oil. this is technical known as the war on terror of course and that area having the docks and elly port refineries being just down the road is probably reason for nothing being said about declassification at this time. I could however be totally wrong and maybe Gordon Brown has not seen this site so he is un aware that the tunnels exist!!

some of you are also mentioning about a book being put together, when this happens i would be very interested in a copy, please keep me informed on that.

As for ack ack guns I was told that these were on the right hand side of the road (between hoylake road and the ford estate) i think it was viner road, my couz went to the first school there and my aunt vaugly remembers them being there, the obbo was also defended quite well apparently as it provided infomation with regards to the tides for the shipping and even the tidal info for the d-day landings and dunkirk evacuations was provided by the obbo on biddy hill. after talking to her with regards to further entrances, she tells me that one was considered on the side of the hill from the west, the easiest way she described this was the bloody big drop down the side of the obbo(looking towards moreton way, but as the tunnels never stretched as far this it was never built, it was going to be built into the hill side, maybe this is where i got the previous notion of an entrance in the old yard at the obbo.
Posted By: SoundLad Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2008 1:33pm
In regards the Observatory.. That has 2 Basements.. Dunno weather they where planning an entrance cause from word of mouth i did mention a while back of being a Door in the light house but now the guys have been in the tunnels i dont see how this was with the evidence but saying that there is a long stretch of tunnel with a huge steel door.. Could the tunnels the guys have surveyed and posted on here be the tip of the iceburg and the real secret why the tunnels are closed is behind that steel door. think
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2008 1:36pm
or there could be seperate, probably unrelated, tunnels under the observatory and lighthouse complex??

think
Posted By: SoundLad Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2008 1:43pm
true mate happy
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2008 2:08pm
yeah the more I think about it, the more it probably make's sense, given the period the buildings were built, and mystique of them, they probably would have tunnels under them, even if they were only small, maybe even air raid shelters built during the war that kinda progressed into a small series of tunnels, ye never know.

A real possibility imho, especially given the fact there seem's to be freakin tunnels everywhere else in the Wirral lol!!
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2008 4:29pm
The Roumor is behind the steel door is a brick wall that would
have taken you into a smaller cave entrance which was the "Armery" or stores. But can not be proved.

We know where very closely that steel door should come out
but we could not find the exit for it and suspect its either
burried, or in the hill side.

I walked up to the steel door, with my wellies on and give it
a good kick. It was solid and no echo behind it at all.
It appeared to be welded from the other side to be so tight
and seem as one with the frame.

The steel door was like a ships inner door.
With a hinge and overlap, type of set up.
These had been bent back over and the door was as solid
as stone conclusion welded in place.

If there is anything under the observatory i doubt its
connected at all. Its seems back then any one with a spoon
was digging a tunnel lol.
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2008 4:38pm
Me and Toto found the exit of the steel door, but nobody takes any notice or believes us... one day we will get our asses into gear and do some digging...

Even if its not the steel door, its linked to it, and it has been suggested that there was a room coming off the steel door to store ammunitions; however I am very cautious about rumor's, given these 12ft hole" rumors and the like that were doing the round before we got in; we found a few 12mm hole's, but no 12ft holes lol.
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2008 4:40pm
You mean the place with the wooden beam just still visitable ?
Close to the main entrance.

As i cant remember you guys saying where the steel door exit was ?
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2008 4:43pm
That's where we have said yes, but also people on the original 28 days later thread mentioned that was a way in years ago... I havent seen anyone come up with any alternative location's as yet, yet nobody seems interested in that place.

frown
Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2008 4:45pm
i agree with the theory that it was some sort of armoury.from my experience in the army, armoury doors are often double doors with a very small airlock type space in between .this would explain no echo, they also tend to be very thick. maybe the brick wall is in between the two doors.
this subject gets more intriguing by the day
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2008 4:49pm
Id like to believe it, but as I say, there were just too much "shite" flowing through the rumor mill before we got in, and we disproved most of the rumors, some from supposedly reputable sources, when we eventually made our entrance.

In a way, it was almost deflating to have heard of all the different stories before we went in about what was in there and the dangers that lay ahead, to get in there and find nothing but tunnels and smashed toilets lol.

But it help's make it all the more intruiging, which in turn lends more enthusiasm for finding out the truth, and im all for these rumor's, I just dont believe anything until I see it now.

frown
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2008 4:50pm
Originally Posted by MattLFC
That's where we have said yes, but also people on the original 28 days later thread mentioned that was a way in years ago... I havent seen anyone come up with any alternative location's as yet, yet nobody seems interested in that place.

frown
It cant be matty?

Yes it can be a new cave or entrance thing, but the steel door we walked to ends inline with the first house on the main road.

I found that huge concrete cross in the undergrowth.

The Wooden Beam and concrete can and thinking about it now
is probably something seeing the way the council deals with holes.

And if it is then who knows what's behind it. think
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2008 4:53pm
well id say we need to investigate this more then, because right now, it's a piece of the jigsaw that still remain's unsolved.

I really want to find out where that entrance went, and I know for a fact toto does too; we will have to arrange something when the kids are back at school after their holiday next week (god help us the hooligans are let loose again).
Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2008 4:53pm
Mark
is this the first house on hoylake road ,weather permitting im going for a scout around tomorrow
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2008 4:55pm
Originally Posted by jonno39
Mark
is this the first house on hoylake road ,weather permitting im going for a scout around tomorrow

If you are going there tomorrow, im up for popping down and having a look with ye matey as I have to go to my mums and it's on the way to her flat in Bidston Village.

Id love to have a proper skirmish, last summer, it seemed once we were in we almost "forgot" about the adventuring and concentrated solely on the documentation of what was available to us.

Tis a shame really cos it really bugs me to know where that door led to, and also what is behind that mound of earth me and toto found.

I also wouldnt mind looking on the outside for any sign of the right exit, although I doubt anything can be found as I question whether it was ever built.

smile
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2008 4:58pm
Yeh i dont have time right now to search that post,
but im my topic i have pictures with a GPS hand held with me.

I cover the other entrances, and also the shaft entrance.

The Entrance ive heard about if you go to the main road.
Turn and face the hill where the bus stop is near the
first house (Bidston hill side) you could see the opening to
another cave, and it was BIG they would / could reverse lorries in there.

From a few peeps that have taken me that way,
you can actually see man made cuttings in the rock.
But its beend heavely covered over.

What time you thinking of going over as i may come and
enlighten you smile Matty you fancy it too ?
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2008 4:59pm
Originally Posted by Mark
Matty you fancy it too ?

Yes, certainly, you know me hehe!

smile
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2008 5:11pm
Thinking about noon ?? or 11:30am

ive some stuff i need to do in the morning you see.

jonno ?
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2008 5:14pm
I dont mind what time; What time are ye planning on going jonno?

smile
Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2008 5:15pm
im easy guys but if you give me a time an place i will be there
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2008 5:15pm
go on then mark, give us a time, 11:30 sounds good??

smile
Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2008 5:16pm
if we have time maybe i can show you the slab in the woods if you are up for that shall we say about 11.30 on the approach rd to the obsevatory
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2008 5:18pm
well i have all the time in the world for UE so I will be up for going to have a look either way.

smile
Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2008 5:20pm
good so its a date then lol.. 11.30 ish ok with all
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2008 5:20pm
I would say meet at the Bus Stop

then we can got to the now closed entrance, show jonno your Exit matty and work our way along, then through the rods to the observatory and so on wink
Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2008 5:22pm
thats cool with me 11.30 bus stop. ive never been to the closed entrance didnt see the point with it being closed so that would be good
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2008 5:24pm
I shall be waring a pink rose in my top pocket
which i got off matty lol....

11:30am
Bus Stop Next to the field where the last house is.

Anyone checked the weather lol
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2008 5:24pm
sound, ill give le totes a ring, if he isnt working he will be up for coming to this for sure, he has been itching to get back to some UE for weeks now!

smile
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2008 5:25pm
the weather will just be crap as always but al wear "dityable" clothes so i dont care hehe!

smile
Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2008 5:26pm
just checked weather .drizzle
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2008 5:26pm
UE = Urban Exploration

totes = A Member without internet connection lol
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2008 5:27pm
Originally Posted by jonno39
just checked weather .drizzle

thats fine; my helly with keep me dry smile
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2008 5:28pm
Umbrella's Mr Macintosh wink
Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2008 5:29pm
its only rain as my nan used to say cool
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2008 5:32pm
Hey jonno your going to have a wirll win tour lol
Hope your fit, because where not lol
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2008 5:33pm
Originally Posted by Mark
Hope your fit, because where not lol

Speak for yeself... am planning to do snowdon and scafell pike in the same 24 hours this year for a laugh grin
Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2008 5:33pm
i can still move at 39 and 18 stone ,lol
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2008 5:35pm
Almost the same dimensions as me then lol - 5 pebbles
Same age, so we can call matty "the boy" or the "Kid" lol
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2008 5:35pm
Wonder if Johna fancies it as he's stuck in with his wrist?
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2008 5:36pm
When I was in the hospital a couple of weeks back, I was told my BMI was excellent... my endurance is excellent, my stamina is summit to be desired, although when its summit like UE my body kicks into action like a Toyota Hilux!!
Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2008 5:37pm
boy , has much more of an authoritative ring to it
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2008 5:39pm
Will catch up later wink
See you both tomorrow wink
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2008 5:39pm
i have a feeling pomp has summit to say...
funny thing age, at 14 it was a great place now its dangerous lol, and to add to the rumours vehicles where behind the door but i find that hard to believe, back then any vehicles to do with the hill were usually astra gte's burnt out on the top of the hill lol, it was always said to be the ammo store/dump according to my ancient aunt who still lives on hoylake road and remembers the first carraiges going along it with a new fangled invention attached called the wheel!! the only thing that she remembers that actually linked to the obbo was a power supply for the siren maybe old cable diagrams could solve this, i do remember various marker posts on the hill indicating underground cables, mind you about 16 years ago when i was last up there, a massive fire had wiped out most of the trees so loads of stuff was 'discovered' when the trees and undergrowth went up in smoke (and a few astras)
if anyone gets pictures can the email me a few, i miss that part of the world. and here is one for you all, do you know why the rods is called the rods??
Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 5th Feb 2008 7:46am
its called the rods because of the rhododendrons that grow in that area and on the hill.if you look back through several books on the hill there are records of people being fined for picking them:>
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 5th Feb 2008 10:00am
The Rods
Are nothing now compared to the old pictures that show them flowers growing. They looked amazing... I'm not a gardener person but the pictures i have seen are so crisp and tidy, not now with the over growth etc...

Just to check in and report
I'm still good to go, and will be at the bus stop at 11:30am
anyone else is more than welcome to come along too.

I think its a day for wellies after that rain last night.
Posted By: chiccy Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 5th Feb 2008 10:08am
would love to Mark but not really up to it, wouldn't be able to do much,climb etc.... think depression is settin in ... frown cry
Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 5th Feb 2008 10:09am
still good here ...11.30 bus stop :>
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 5th Feb 2008 10:12am
Originally Posted by chiccy
would love to Mark but not really up to it, wouldn't be able to do much,climb etc.... think depression is settin in ... frown cry
is that jonah ?

Were not climbing trees or anything.
It will do him good to get out you or him.
And it will be interesting too smile
I would love to see him there wink
Posted By: jonah Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 5th Feb 2008 10:16am
its me mark... which bus stop? will see if i can muster up the enthusiasm....
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 5th Feb 2008 10:20am
The one on Hoylake Road thats the main road
that goes past the "Main Entrance"

Driving from tescos towards Bidston the field is on the right,
and the bus stop is on the right next to the first houses on
the right side where the field is.

Making sense ?

Will drop you a pm
Posted By: jonah Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 5th Feb 2008 10:21am
ok matey... like i say will see what plans are and try and drag myself up there...
Posted By: MerseyMan Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 5th Feb 2008 10:22am
That entrance that is mentioned that is to the left of the main entrance, I know the one, that was accessable in the late 80's. Now the wooden beam is now just visable and council have back filled it with concrete and stones, pretty much impossible to access. Though you can access it from the main entrance when it was open. The thought of vehicle access is quite right, I read that vehicles would have been coming and going to take the sandstone away just like the tranmere tunnels, though the slope up to the main entrance was made by the fill out of the tunnels.
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The entrance further to the left
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Another cutting in the rock between the main entrance and the entrance with the wooden beam, just a corner of it though but definately man made, probably just storage alcove to stop equipment getting wet.
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Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 5th Feb 2008 10:23am
O its changed a bit since them pictures lol

Looks like fort knox now lol....

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Posted By: MerseyMan Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 5th Feb 2008 10:28am
Yeah I know about that frown You can see it from hoylake road. Bloody scallies!
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 5th Feb 2008 10:35am
Merseyman you not fancy coming along for the afternoon ?
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 5th Feb 2008 11:09am
I'm leaving just now wink
Posted By: Wheels Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 5th Feb 2008 11:13am
i have recent pics on my phone, ill see if i can get em up
Posted By: Wheels Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 5th Feb 2008 11:18am
taken 22/01/2008

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Posted By: MerseyMan Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 5th Feb 2008 11:43am
Love to, but working Mon to fri -9 - 5:30 give us a shout though on any more trips you may make at the weekend people. Broadband problems to sort at work frown Have fun and get some piccies
Posted By: jonah Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 5th Feb 2008 12:06pm
so wheels, thats now impregnable.....? no need, just open them to the public for gods sake, or is there something to hide ??
Posted By: SoundLad Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 5th Feb 2008 12:14pm
If that doesnt raise suspision i dont know what is.. Theres gotta be something in there.. Maybe its a Weapons dump ? Maybe the steel door is controlled by Remote control ? hehe seriously though now people know where the tunnel entrance cause anyone cn see that.
Posted By: chiccy Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 5th Feb 2008 4:11pm
how did it go today Mark ??
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 5th Feb 2008 4:19pm
Nackard lol

Jonno is a wealth of information.
made some new finds seen more as there was so few leaves.
Will catch up more later.
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 5th Feb 2008 6:46pm
Yeah was great to meet you Jonno, you know so much and its great to share the information we know, and finding that some of the different thing's we knew were interlinked and drew a bigger picture.

Had a great few hour's, we should give local history and places of interest tour's out we know that much lol!!

Thoroughly enjoyed it, cheer's Mark and Jonno thumbsup
Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 5th Feb 2008 7:01pm
yeah it was a great ramble ,still think there is more to be discovered . good day thumbsup
Posted By: chriskay Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 5th Feb 2008 11:42pm
Although I haven't been personally involved with the Bidston Hill tunnels project, I've been fascinated to follow the thread. I thought from Jonno's first posts that he'd have a lot to contribute. I hope that when the days get longer, we'll have some outings (much like the one we had on a recent Sunday) where we can get together & share info. about things that one of us knows a lot about. For instance, I'd do one about Storeton woods & the quarries & tramway, maybe ending up at Port Sunlight for a visit to the Lady Lever art gallery.
We all know the importance of sharing info. That way there's a better chance of it being passed on to the next generation & not lost forever.

Cheers, Chris.


any links to the pictures of the rods???
and big thanks to all for recent pics, god i feel about 90 going down memo lane lol, think i sussed why its still classified tho. after much deliberation and pondering and with my highly interlectual brain I have come to the conclusion that due to global warming, Tracey island became submerged and the Thunderbirds needed somewhere else to stay, this ties in with the remote controlled door thing. I dont know how i think these up, i really dont. oh well to the auto section and once again thanks for the updates
Posted By: chiccy Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 6th Feb 2008 12:26pm
just been past an there was council wagons by the enterance............
Posted By: MerseyMan Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 6th Feb 2008 1:10pm
Oh dear think
Posted By: jordan Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 6th Feb 2008 7:10pm
Possibly just checking if any attempt to break "fort knox" has taken place since they built the monstrosity..
Posted By: vw_kyle Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 6th Feb 2008 8:23pm
no ones gona get in there without burning gear
Posted By: Waddi Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 6th Feb 2008 10:24pm
Originally Posted by BBC website
Engineers are using diamond cutters to break up the submarine


if it can cut a sub........
Posted By: MerseyMan Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 7th Feb 2008 10:52am
Gas axe.
i reckon someones tipping them off ???
Posted By: MerseyMan Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 7th Feb 2008 3:48pm
To be honest if it's mentioned on this forum it's easy enough for word to spread.
Posted By: placidmaster Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Feb 2008 7:13am
big thanx to you folks for the pics, bit of a shock, its like fort knox now, holy shit, once again thanx tho
Posted By: Dave_Wood Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 15th Mar 2008 10:08pm
Hi, I'm a newbie here. Just want to thank you all for your posts and photos. I enjoy a bit of exploring myself, but tend to go alone when I'm back in Liverpool or Wirral. I was mooching around on Bidston Hill myself a few weeks ago, but didn't have time to do a full recce, as I had to take a load of shots of Liverpol's waterfront. I'll be keeping an eye on this amazing thread for updates. Nice one chaps. Thanks alot.
Dave
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 15th Mar 2008 10:11pm
No problem, glad you found the thread interesting...

Welcome to the site btw.

smile
Posted By: MerseyMan Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 22nd Mar 2008 12:07pm
Afternoon' all thats left of the exit on Bidston Hill, somewhere under that rubble. smile

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Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 22nd Mar 2008 12:38pm
That's not the exit mate wink

Your about 20 strides away back to the path.
If you scroll back through the topic we have pictures
of where the exit on bidston hill is wink

With GPS Readings.. happy

Thanks for showing us your pictures,
we think your red bricks are an old home guard look out.
Posted By: jonah Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 22nd Mar 2008 12:48pm
is that the one we found mark ?
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 22nd Mar 2008 12:50pm
yep looks very much like it wink
Posted By: jonah Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 22nd Mar 2008 12:56pm
god i remember that day...lol... was good fun, me and wheels lifting that up to try and gain better access...lol
Posted By: MerseyMan Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 22nd Mar 2008 1:47pm
Ahh a dad's army look out post eh, to be honest there is quite a decent view from there, good stuff

Cant find the pictures though of where the exit is though
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 22nd Mar 2008 2:02pm
You should find the information around about that topic.

Click Me

Look for a Picture Like this one, as there all together.
With GPS Ordinates too wink

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Posted By: MerseyMan Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 22nd Mar 2008 2:37pm
You would have thought photographs would have been taken whilst the tunnel was in construction of either inside or entrances or exits, certainly a construction of this nature even though not finished would have been recorded by the corporation for reference.
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 22nd Mar 2008 2:47pm
We asked the very same questions wink

And the reason there are none we have found is :

1) It was /is part of the Ministry of defense.
2) At the time of construction all photographers were out
taking pictures of bomb damaged houses?

(This was so joe smith couldn't put a false claim in for damage,
So pretty busy times to say the least.)

But i don't give up hope that there may be one out there
somewhere? (Your granddads Suitcase? )

Mark.
Posted By: MerseyMan Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 22nd Mar 2008 3:00pm
Haha sorry Mark yeah,I got my sister to take her laptop to my parents and i provided the scanner, my scanner is about 4 years old so Windows vista spat it out like a baby's dummy. Did have a look though thre case, majority was family photographs...admitidedly taken from the nearby area...how interesting to other poeple I don't know, my sister does have a scanner that does work with her pc but her and free time don't mix.
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 22nd Mar 2008 3:06pm
Not to worry, when ever but always appreciated happy
Posted By: birko Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 30th May 2008 12:04am
hi i have been always interested in the tunnels, stumbling across your findings however never been in them. there are tunnels in tranmere aswell i would be pleased to tag along on any future pursuits.
Posted By: chriskay Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 30th May 2008 8:25am
Welcome Birko; why not introduce yourself in Talkwirral.co.uk/General chit chat/new members. Hope you find the site of interest & maybe you've got stuff to contribute.

Cheers, Chris.
Posted By: weedman Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Jun 2008 3:44pm
Hi i love u vids are u doing it agen soon? love to cume with u?.
Whats it lick in the tunnels? i dont liv far from ther and go up to
the hill a lot so maybe we can meet and say hi?
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Jun 2008 6:28pm
They are closed up now by the council and would probably be very difficult to get into without a lot of digging and cutting through steel.

They are pitch black inside, but obviously with the flash on the cameras it's hard to tell how dark it is.

I doubt there will be any plans for us to go back in as we have answered all the questions we wanted to know, have taken tonnes of photos and mapped the tunnels out.

smile
Posted By: weedman Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Jun 2008 7:16pm
Ok shame, but it all sounds good so what u looking at next?
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Jun 2008 7:31pm
wink
Posted By: SolventFree Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 8th Jul 2008 10:01pm
Inside is huge let me start 1998 they were open i was 18 and armed with torches, many days of exploration and several games of murder in the dark, and it was dark hand on nose with the lights off and you couldn't see your hand.

Once through the entrance you can go left or right only to come back in to the same corridor, this went on for about 200 yards were it branched of in to toilets and sleeping areas, there were many passages that ran through the place and many bricked up. The was a huge steel door at the end of one of the corridors which at the time was rumoured to lead to Chester? Known localy as the Chester wall. There was if you were very carefull a shaft which housed the air raid siren above that another entrance (which i presume is eithe in the old observitory or buried on the top of bidstone hill) the ladder to this had rusted away from the wall so there was no way up.

Cool place for kids tease
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 8th Jul 2008 11:10pm
Nice bit of local knowledge there thanks.
If you scroll back through this Thread you will see those
places wink
Posted By: chriskay Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 9th Jul 2008 9:02am
Mark; how has this changed from a Bidston thread to Tranmere?
Hi, SolventFree, that "air raid siren" is actually a ventilator fan.

Cheers, Chris
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 9th Jul 2008 12:05pm
Chris, SolventFree's reply was to a post halfway through the topic where the topic title changed.

I have corrected the topic title now.

Thanks for sharing SolventFree smile
Posted By: lawton Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 3rd Aug 2008 12:15pm
just read all 60 pages, took forever. wish i had known about this earlyier and i would of come along. just hope they get opened up again or someone finds another one etc. i love things like these
Posted By: oxtonmac Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 9th Aug 2008 4:33pm
after spending half the night reading through this thread i noticed a couple of cut and paste from UE which i posted to try and help out with the access points to the tunnels.

Great to see you managed to get in and take some excellent photos..

It really hasn't changed, and the ladders and ventilation fan still look the same as I remember 30 years later.

Well done






Posted By: vango Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Aug 2008 8:59am
yo man you did sum good work ther went to fort knoks an started chipping away yesterday i woulden mind seeing ur maps an that if possable im dead intrested in that sort of things al let u no if an wen we get in .
Posted By: vango Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Aug 2008 9:02am
think that thay will open again 1 day looks like a lot of hard work lol
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Aug 2008 10:10am
good luck mate wink
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Aug 2008 10:19am
Very hard work lol
Posted By: Lauzzy Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Aug 2008 2:50am
Ok, creepy. I remember my parents once telling me about these tunnels, about 5 years ago, and forbid me ever to go down there. I forgot about them just until today.. woah.

I want to find the entrance. I drove down boundary road today, but didnt get a chance to stop and get out..

I live on Eleanor Road, up one of the driveways, very very close to the top of the hill.
Posted By: GormanHisto Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Aug 2008 4:03am
I also want to find the entrance, if only to have a look at this historical place...Saw many pictures on here tonight and have been blown away by these tunnels that until today, I never knew where there. My dad, who is knocking 48 this year said he went down into the tunnels in his youth and that the steel door has been there for a long time.
Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Aug 2008 10:11am
After my last visit to the main entrance I am convinced that unless another entrance is unearthed or heavy machinery is used there is no way in at the present moment smile
Posted By: Ducko Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Aug 2008 10:55am
tryed the entrence on the hill meney moons a go but there is a steel plate screwed to the floor about 1intch thick
Posted By: Lauzzy Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Aug 2008 6:36pm
my dad thinks that Quigo on the grafitti on one of the walls is
Tony Quiglan who went to Corpus Chrisi and left in 1975

he also ssaid he went down the tunnels on many occasions from '72-76
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Aug 2008 9:45pm
i went to the entence,s last week and found 3 2 are cerment and the other is filled with soil
Posted By: vango Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Aug 2008 9:54pm
hi dude thay 3 entrance is on hoylake road in line with the mane entrence about 20 meters a long the same path that it runs thay is i square concrea witr 3 steps on 1 side its about 15 by 11 fot ene 1 no wat it is or wats under it
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Aug 2008 10:02pm
i,v found 3 entrance,s 2 is very solid and the other is covered in soil hmmmm
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Aug 2008 10:05pm
i wanna know if it is the same tunnels as the 1 in the church in the pryry in monks ferry and the vent shaft on holborn hill ?? birkenhead ??
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Aug 2008 10:18pm
hmmm please tell me more to please i,v found 3 ways in 2 are solid and the other is soil
Posted By: vango Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Aug 2008 10:32pm
hi man wer abouts is the 1 on the hill thats screwd to the floor ? can u remember ?
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Aug 2008 10:55pm
theres no way on earth you guys will be able to get back in, its all completly locked down frown

If i`m thinking of the entrance on top of the hill, its next to a tree on a mound of grass not far from where the cockpit concrete is wink
we have been underneath this entrance and could just about hear the others who were standin on the top of it.
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Aug 2008 11:06pm
Originally Posted by robbo_theman
i wanna know if it is the same tunnels as the 1 in the church in the pryry in monks ferry and the vent shaft on holborn hill ?? birkenhead ??


The Bidston Hill Tunnels are separate from the Monks Ferry Tunnel and also separate from the Tranmere Tunnels; all three are separate.
Posted By: vango Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Aug 2008 11:34pm
we was up ther the weekend lookin around an was speakin to an old man an he was sayin of an entrance near the houses he ment the one,s west of the cock pit we went lookin an i mean through the thick bush we found steps an bricks could be sumthing ? not sure yet tho we was approcimatly 30 meaters west of the cock pit down hill ?
Posted By: vango Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Aug 2008 11:37pm
nice 1 for the info on that can u remember witch direction of the cock pit it was ?
Posted By: vango Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 12th Aug 2008 12:04am
i think i might no wear the 1 on the hill is i spent a lot of time up ther 3 years ago wen i first moved her with bein cut of from my mates an that i used to tack my littel lad up ther an now thinking back i can recall sumthing a littel north east of the cock pit and recall a mettel beam with concreat on it south east of the obbservetey but i dident no wat it was then i never have stayd to a path i will find it again
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 12th Aug 2008 12:05am
Originally Posted by vango
nice 1 for the info on that can u remember witch direction of the cock pit it was ?


Think to the right, not to sure really, i was more at the main entrance, some of the other guys can point you in the right direction mate smile
Posted By: vango Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 12th Aug 2008 12:34am
ok nice 1 mate . if ur at the main entrance and look stright at and walk at it as if u was goin into it but go up over the frount of it an up the hill about 20 meaters u cum to like a cut out road kinda like boundry road but running north to south and on this road thay is 15 by 11 ish foot square concret about a foot thick with 3 steps down the north side it looks to be in line with the main entrence do u recall this mate ?
Posted By: oxtonmac Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 16th Aug 2008 9:22pm
remember being told there are tunnels from bidston church to bidston hall .(something to do with the smuggling that used to go on.)
how true this is I dont know.

P.s.
I was married at bidston church ... 27 yrs ago ..... omg WOW! where's it gone?
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 19th Aug 2008 9:34pm
wow how cool will be missioning
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 20th Aug 2008 5:39pm
lol been out 2 day to bidston tunnels to have a look

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Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 20th Aug 2008 5:44pm
here is the 3rd entrance be hind the houses


Description: the 3rd entrance
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Posted By: Lauzzy Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 20th Aug 2008 5:45pm
so we went yesterday to the sealed up entrance, looks like someones been having a go at taking that steel plate off! Didnt get any pics, just a vid!

Apparently my mum told me that there was an entrance in the rhoddedenron gardens on vyner road south, is that true? because i couldnt find one
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 20th Aug 2008 5:49pm
entrance 2 small

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Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 20th Aug 2008 5:50pm
mad one lol

i never new there was tunnel
Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 20th Aug 2008 5:53pm
Looks like nothing has changed since we were last there. If you go again look at the soil in front and immediately adjacent to the rocks its different to all the other soil.The soil on the hill is quite unique it is very peat like and on the top of the hill the depth of the soil is very thin hence why only certain species of plant life can grow in the conditions
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 20th Aug 2008 5:54pm
the main entrance

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Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 20th Aug 2008 5:56pm
some concrete there

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Description: and the floor oww
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Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 20th Aug 2008 5:59pm
oww i wanna see in side



Where is the other ways in i did look 4 a hour i carnt find the MAPS ?
Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 20th Aug 2008 6:01pm
Not sure if you should be posting these in the Bidston Hill tunnels topic in wirral history thread.but some really good shots there mate deffo looks like some one is trying to reopen them.The nxt time you go up there let us know .
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 20th Aug 2008 6:07pm
Is this the tunnel,s roof . ?


Were is the tunnel's shaft's. ???


Description: tunnel roof ?
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Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 20th Aug 2008 6:16pm
will do dude



Should i put there on wirral history as well ?
wink
Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 20th Aug 2008 6:21pm
the steps pictures are part of the old vyner estate and have no connection to the tunnels am afraid
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 20th Aug 2008 6:34pm
o ok so were,s the rods or the cock pit thingy?
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 20th Aug 2008 6:39pm
THE ENTRANCE


Description: LOL SOME WAY IN
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Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 20th Aug 2008 6:41pm
The shaft is by the cock pit
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 20th Aug 2008 6:44pm
YEP WERE IS IT ?
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 20th Aug 2008 7:02pm
were is the cock pit
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 20th Aug 2008 9:21pm
Originally Posted by jonno40
the steps pictures are part of the old vyner estate and have no connection to the tunnels am afraid


Vyner estate?
Whats that?

Errmmm, if anyone is trying to dig under that concrete, just be carefull it dont fall on top of you frown
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 20th Aug 2008 11:34pm
Cock pit is located here
Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 21st Aug 2008 7:05am
Originally Posted by Totopop
Originally Posted by jonno40
the steps pictures are part of the old vyner estate and have no connection to the tunnels am afraid


Vyner estate?
Whats that?

Errmmm, if anyone is trying to dig under that concrete, just be carefull it dont fall on top of you frown


The land on top of the hill used to be owned by the vyner family who used to reside in Bidston Hall.they created a private park /hunting area for their guests ,a wall was built running along park wood to create this area ,this wall was known as the penny a day wall as this is what the men building it where paid.There are numerous sets of steps and paths that run up through the wood from the hall and most of the wall is still there today running from the horse carving to the windmill thumbsup
Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 21st Aug 2008 7:09am
Originally Posted by robbo_theman
o ok so were,s the rods or the cock pit thingy?

The rods or rhododendron gardens are /where behind the houses on Hoylake road and run from there up to boundary road. by all accounts they used to be quite a sight in the summer but like many things on the wirral the have been left to virtually disappear .
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 21st Aug 2008 7:18am
If you scroll back over this topic you will see the
tonns of cement and the steel construction of the blocking
of the entrance.

There is an entrance in the Rhoddendenron Gardens but this
is back filled and welded shut.
See our pictures with the water in the corridor as that is the
steel door. But blocked by soil and i guess rubble.

If you read the topic you will see where the entrance on
Bidston Hill Is. Even though that one too has been sealed.

It will take a bit of extra effort and plant hire now
to get into any of the entrances IMO.

Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 21st Aug 2008 7:46am
Originally Posted by vango
we was up ther the weekend lookin around an was speakin to an old man an he was sayin of an entrance near the houses he ment the one,s west of the cock pit we went lookin an i mean through the thick bush we found steps an bricks could be sumthing ? not sure yet tho we was approcimatly 30 meaters west of the cock pit down hill ?

what you have found there is remains of ww2 gun positions
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 21st Aug 2008 8:41am
Originally Posted by jonno40
Originally Posted by robbo_theman
o ok so were,s the rods or the cock pit thingy?

like many things on the wirral the have been left to virtually disappear .


i find it quite dissapointing and very sad frown

Thanks for the info jonno, you filled a few gaps for me there smile
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 21st Aug 2008 11:41am
Yeah thanks guys i,ll go back up there on friday tea time to find the cock pit and shaft .
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 21st Aug 2008 11:42am
Originally Posted by Totopop
Thanks for the info jonno, you filled a few gaps for me there smile

Same here
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 21st Aug 2008 7:02pm
so has any got a map of the tunnels so we can see ??
Posted By: chriskay Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 21st Aug 2008 9:34pm
If you read the whole thread, all the info., including a plan, is there.
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 21st Aug 2008 11:27pm
yer just read the hole lot wow so do u think this is the other way in ?

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Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 21st Aug 2008 11:37pm
Originally Posted by robbo_theman
yer just read the hole lot wow so do u think this is the other way in ?

Nope - The only possible entrance is the main one which is now sealed up.
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 21st Aug 2008 11:39pm
Where are you with picture number 3 ?
If its facing the main road, then i doubt its an access point.

As we did search from inside out for other entrances.

1. Steel & Concreate
2. Welded and buried
3. Air Shaft, covered with rubble.

IMO its pretty much sealed frown
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 21st Aug 2008 11:46pm
robbo, give it up, you`ll never get in, trust us smile

do you have a motor?
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 22nd Aug 2008 11:37am
yep no oww


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Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 22nd Aug 2008 11:38am
i have the power lol
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 22nd Aug 2008 11:39am
just need the tools errrm
Posted By: TRANCENTRAL Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 28th Aug 2008 9:04pm
I AM UP THERE WITH THE KID TOMOZ WILL TRY TO LOOK TOP TO THE BOTTOM FOR ANYTHING OUT THE NORMAL!
Posted By: TRANCENTRAL Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2008 7:07pm
BEEN UP TO THE HILL TODAY FOUND NOTHING ! JUST ENDED UP AT THE FARM!
Posted By: MissGuided Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2008 7:11pm
Originally Posted by TRANCENTRAL
BEEN UP TO THE HILL TODAY FOUND NOTHING ! JUST ENDED UP AT THE FARM!


How depressing - been that farm so many times when the kids were little (its even more sh*t when you have postnatal depression lol) - hate it now!
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2008 7:18pm
lol
Posted By: TRANCENTRAL Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2008 7:19pm
GOT NO CASH GIRL! MANS GOT TO DO WHAT A MANS GOT TO DO?
Posted By: MissGuided Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2008 7:39pm
my excuse is i live so near - its as far as i could push a pushchair when kids were littler - I used to look forward to coming home though as it was all down hill. sleep
Posted By: TRANCENTRAL Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2008 7:46pm
THAT SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT! BUT WE STILL HAVE THE PUSHCHAIR AND A PRAM!
Posted By: MissGuided Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2008 7:49pm
I guess its a cheap day out - for ages my little girl wouldn't go in the cafe as they always had balloons up and she was scared of them (or anything that went bang - fireworks, crackers etc). Used to scream her head off. She's fine now though - one of those annoying kids that drags their sticky fingers down the side of a balloon - hate that noise.
Posted By: TRANCENTRAL Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2008 8:06pm
THE FARM WAS NOT CHEAP GIRL, BUT SAYING THAT I WAS NOT PAYING?
Posted By: MissGuided Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2008 8:24pm
no - once y've had hot chocolate and a flapjack that's it really - and that's all i'd go for lol
Posted By: TRANCENTRAL Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2008 8:33pm
YEP! ANYWAY BACK TO ACTION! FOUND THE WAY IN NO GO! FOUND THE WAY OUT BO GO! WHERE NEXT?
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2008 10:23pm
vent shaft

vent it


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Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Aug 2008 10:25pm
thumbsup
Posted By: TRANCENTRAL Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 30th Aug 2008 6:22pm
boundary road vent shaft?
Posted By: MerseyMan Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 31st Aug 2008 2:20pm
Think thats the shaft to the top of the hill, though I know the place of where the Boundary Road vent shaft is and to be honest I can't see the tunnels stretching that far going by the plan of the tunnels.
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 31st Aug 2008 2:26pm
Originally Posted by MerseyMan
Think thats the shaft to the top of the hill, though I know the place of where the Boundary Road vent shaft is and to be honest I can't see the tunnels stretching that far going by the plan of the tunnels.


i was underneath with wheels whilst mark and other members were on the top shouting and stamping, we can confirm its on the top of the hill wink
Posted By: MerseyMan Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 31st Aug 2008 2:30pm
that or it was the eerie sounds of lost kiddies who never found their way out haha, yeah just as I though, that shaft is too high to an exit anywhere else but on the of t'hill
Posted By: TRANCENTRAL Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 31st Aug 2008 2:50pm
thanks for that lads
is there a house next to the obsevatory, cos i've been told that there is a lift that takes you under ground but once you get to the ground floor you are greated by 2 security guards minding you don't go any where near a door down there. that came from a bt engineer. dunno how true it is like
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2008 7:46pm
dont know about that 1 dude hoping some 1 can spring a light on that i went to rods to day but could,nt find any thing grrr
Posted By: TRANCENTRAL Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2008 8:53pm
2 security guards!sounds like fort knocks down there? raftl
Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Sep 2008 9:03pm
The Bidston tunnels are not connected in anyway to the lighthouse or observatory
There are three possible entrances to the tunnels as detailed in this thread,two on the front of the hill and the vent shaft on the hill and im sorry to say thats it smile

LMAO





Posted By: vango Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 6th Sep 2008 7:42pm
just wondering if hopalong lost the rubber of the bottom of his crutch coz i seen it to day lol
Posted By: vango Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 6th Sep 2008 8:21pm
do u think tat the ammo store near the ballon/aa turrent could be connect to the tunnels
Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 7th Sep 2008 7:43am
Totally separate no
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 13th Sep 2008 9:04pm
Mad in the dark down there shocked
Posted By: Rhobit Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 23rd Oct 2008 1:39pm
Hi all,

just wanted to give everybody an update on the tunnels at present.

Somebody has been having a go at the main entrance, tunnelling under the concrete on the right. Not sure if they've gotten anywhere on that but it's filled in atm. A crowbar or something has definitely been tried on the panel at the top right and the ''hasps'' at either side have been smashed away from the rock.

I was unable to find the second entrance, but the third does seem a possible and viable way in - bit of digging with a rope to secure that boulder from a tree should do it.

Somebody has definitely had a go at the shaft entrance on the top of the hill as a small hole has been dug underneath the concrete roofing slab and if you bang away with a bit of metal underneath it does sound hollow. It would be conceivable to widen that hole up, but the soil is sandy.

I've read through the whole thread, but I don't recall any shots of the top of the shaft, were any taken?

I'm sorry I don't have any shots to show you at present, unfortunately when I got down there I found my camera wouldn't record anything onto my memory card. Next time I have a day off (sometime next week) I'll pop back and post them up here.

I know that you guys have already documented what is down there, but as some others have already said, this is a generational kind of thing. I remember my father telling me about the tunnels under bidston hill when I was growing up in Prenton. Now that I'm actually living back in the Wirral after a good 15 years, I've got a curiosity driving me to explore them myself.
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 23rd Oct 2008 4:37pm
really

these no way in dude
Posted By: mike849 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 23rd Oct 2008 7:48pm
there is always a way in you will just have to improvise!! lol
Posted By: saxokid Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 27th Oct 2008 9:50pm
Great thread guys,enjoyed reading it,lernt some interesting information on the tunnels,Me and few frends back in year 2000 got in there!! but didnt go very far in,was amazon place though to walk round....
Posted By: scoops Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 28th Oct 2008 2:58pm
Absolutely fascinating.
It's a shame all the entrances are blocked off.
Or are they?
Checking back on the maps I noticed something.
The original sketch map https://www.images.wikiwirral.co.uk/forum/2007.jpg
shows an emergency exit part way up the main entrance corridor.

The second more accurate map
https://www.images.wikiwirral.co.uk/forum/2825.jpg
also shows an alcove in approximately the same location, possibly a bricked off entrance?
There's been no mention of finding it outside but maybe it could be another way in.
Just a thought.
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 28th Oct 2008 3:10pm
The labelled emergency exit leads to this door:

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Which is a steel door and is stuck solid.

Not sure what is behind it though, could be a stores or just an exit.

As you say, no-one has found it outside, but many people have looked for it
Posted By: scoops Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 28th Oct 2008 3:29pm
I thought that door was the Brow road exit.
I was talking about the one labelled 8 on the older map (same side as the main entrance, right hand wall when walking in)
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 28th Oct 2008 7:31pm
No 8

Just didn't exist.
A Solid Brick wall and nothing behind it.
We at first thought it was above the "Arm Chair"
but this wasn't to be.

Posted By: scoops Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 28th Oct 2008 10:08pm
Ah well, it was just a thought.
I should have guessed the experts would already have spotted the possibility.
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 28th Oct 2008 11:44pm
[Linked Image]

The Number 8 Emergency exit does not Exist there is the main entrance and a exit and the shaft 3 ways in only

Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 28th Oct 2008 11:48pm
the number 8 exit it says thats part of the unfinished was not dug


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Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 28th Oct 2008 11:53pm
yerrrr thumbsup
nice one robbo!
Posted By: scoops Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Oct 2008 12:33am
sorry < hangs head in shame >
I'll just go and sit quietly in the corner and keep my dumb ideas to myself in future lol
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Oct 2008 12:42am
No need dude keep them coming
Was there definately only one vent - this would be very unusual especially for something this size!!

Was there possibly any service tunnels for water, drains, electricity etc - funny putting toilets in the middle other than minimising average distance to walk.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Oct 2008 1:03pm
definately only one vent, there is drains and they used a generator for the electricity wink
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Oct 2008 3:21pm
I think the generator would only be used in case of mains failure. I'm assuming the Bidston shelters were mains fed, as were the Tranmere ones. The Tranmere incoming mains feed was exposed earlier this year when the builders "discovered" the shaft cap.

To have a generator running all the time wouldn't be a barrel of laughs if you were down there. The old Exide "Glassklad" batteries would have kept selected lights burning if all else failed. When they failed ...... keep eating the carrots !!
Posted By: Razzi Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Oct 2008 4:34pm
Hi. Joined just so i can comment on this thread. I went through the tunnels in 1976, From the Rods entrance on Hoylake road as then this was just covered with inch thick corragated iron a bit of banked up soil & at that time it wasn't really a problem to get in, sort of a rite of passage thing & being a girl i had something to prove.
From what i've read things have changed a bit down there, then it was full of loads of old iron bedsteads rubble and office furniture, ie cabinets/ desks but i remember it was dry as a bone, youd expect some wet from being under the hill, but there was none at all. I now know from looking at the maps & pictures you've put up here that we made it all the way to the bidston hill emergency exit the rusty machinery we saw i now know from reading on here were for ventilation (exit 2 on the map) & the ladders and gantrys of course weren't as worn then as now look or maybe we were just light as shite & lucky because me and one mate climbed up to the top. Im not sure what it was capped & to be honest i never thought about it until now, but we opened it & had a look around . If i remember right from standing on the top most gantry and poking our heads out the windmill was off to the right through the brush maybe 3/400 yards away. We never climbed out though as we had 3 mates who wouldnt climb waiting at the bottom so we went back down, got lost & after spending the night lost the fire brigade rescued us the next morning. After that i think a girder reinforced brick wall was put up & concrete poured also the exits were probably blocked off but we never went to check.
Hope this is of interest to someone.

Posted By: MattLFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Oct 2008 4:41pm
Ah, so you're the reason they closed them off lol. Nice one for sharing that information Razzi, very interesting.

smile
Posted By: Razzi Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Oct 2008 5:44pm
Sorry, bout this, maybe its my age but ... at the top of the ladders the windmill was actually off to the left not the right & also thinking about it & looking again at the pictures you've put up, all those red walls weren't there so maybe they were also a late 70s addition because it doesnt look so much of a warren anymore & easier to navigate now. There were also rumours of an old capped entrance somewhere near or in the grounds of Vyner school/bottom of boundary road.I cant see how tho as it's all flat grassland.. except for the wooded area as you enter Bidston village on the right from hoylake road or the raised private horsefield to the right of boundary which would once of been land belonging to the hall i'd guess.
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Oct 2008 8:21pm
Your answers thumbsup


Description: 1 Shaft
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Description: Drains
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Description: switches
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Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Oct 2008 8:27pm
[Linked Image]
This pic scale is spot on it does,nt go any feather in to the hill as this that is how you see is thumbsup
Posted By: TRANCENTRAL Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Oct 2008 8:30pm
well done rob we need shots of the top of the hill now buddy!
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Oct 2008 8:42pm
[Linked Image]

The shaft
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Oct 2008 8:45pm
Main entrance and the exit

Exits a good place to start lamethrower


Description: Main entrance
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Description: Exit
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Posted By: TRANCENTRAL Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Oct 2008 8:49pm
ok so where do we start?
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Oct 2008 8:53pm
[Linked Image]

Dig here pm me and we,ll meet up think
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Oct 2008 8:54pm
What a pic thumbsup

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Posted By: TRANCENTRAL Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 30th Oct 2008 8:21pm
offtopic have been at arrow park from 10am today one of the kids had angloedema and was rushed in! will get back about digging am up for it will pm kid a.s.p.!
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 30th Oct 2008 9:10pm
Originally Posted by robbo_theman
[Linked Image]

The shaft


Oi !
Its NOT the capped exit!

Thats the dogfighting ring or cockfighting ring!
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 30th Oct 2008 9:31pm
[Linked Image]

this is
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 30th Oct 2008 9:57pm
yerrrr"!
Posted By: saxokid Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 30th Oct 2008 10:11pm
Ive got frend who still has the tin helmet,we found in there back in year2000...Has anyone one els found any war time items in there??
Posted By: Dava2479 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 30th Oct 2008 11:13pm
When I was a young-(er) lad the caves used to be a playground to a lot of us,I was never out of there.I even remeber the brick type shelter on the Bidston hill entrance befor it was knocked down and covered.There was a gang from the council who came to what we call (the rods).Thier mission was to uncover an old pathway which once used to be there time ago.Whilst they where uncovering this pathway they actualy uncovered a concrete block which is about 8` wide and ran straight across the pathway and continued.This is strange becuase I know it has something to do with the caves but it would be at ceiling hieght and the ceilings are not concrete.
I visited Bidston today, I was fascinated after reading this topic. So I thought I would go and have a bit of a scout. Sorry to bring this topic to light again, but my curiosity got the better of me.

Any way, there is talk of a Brow Road exit, as yet un-found if I'm correct in reading. Well has any one considered this area? The red line is a rough guild of a path, the yellow + is the area in question.
[Linked Image]

In this area there is this....
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And just a bit further up, and to the right as you head up towards the cockpit, amongst the trees is a drop of about 1 foot, and us uniformly carved out of the rock, it's around 8 feet wide, but trees prevented me from venturing any further along this dug out area, I forgot to get a picture of this.

Anyway, the shaft by the cock pit, if you jump on it it sounds quite hollow at points. quick piccy. of the exposed corner.
[Linked Image]
There is also reinforced brick in this area.

I also have a theory about the steel door that is shut solid, maybe that area is just back filled with a few tonne of soil, water over time will seep through sandstone, but if that door is not airtight water could seep through the soil and through any gaps in that door.
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 7th Nov 2008 9:51pm
interesting
Posted By: dingle Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 8th Nov 2008 12:41am
I am pleased to see that this topic is still going strong. As I have said earlier I was in there way back in the 60's(surely youv'e heard of them) anyway. I remember that you could see the main entrance from Hoylake Rd and I am sure it was at right angles to the road. But it was a very interesting place. Have a great time.
Posted By: TRANCENTRAL Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 9th Nov 2008 9:17pm
been down today and the path that going behind the houses on hoylake road next to the rocks there is a a place that has been side packed with earth was that wet that i sunk into it! this could be a exit?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 9th Nov 2008 9:22pm
very interesting my friend very interesting yes
Posted By: TRANCENTRAL Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Nov 2008 8:22pm
will go back sunday when/if its dry for another look!
Posted By: angie Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 19th Nov 2008 9:07pm
Hi I remember years ago seeing an entrance from hoylake road like you say at right angles to the road it was a metal door covered over with foliage but it was flush with the road you could walk into it from the street.I am loving all this local history it's so fascinating.
Posted By: TRANCENTRAL Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 19th Nov 2008 9:30pm
where about?
Posted By: TRANCENTRAL Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 19th Nov 2008 10:00pm
have you been down there?
Posted By: Dava2479 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 19th Nov 2008 10:36pm
Do you mean the entrance behind the houses on hoylake road.
Posted By: TRANCENTRAL Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 20th Nov 2008 9:29pm
dava have to show me where the entance behind hoylake road is and the shaft was?
Posted By: Dj_Macca Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 26th Nov 2008 11:14pm
wow!
my first post guys!

proper loads of good stuff on this forum!

i went down these tunnels in the early 90s didnt go down all the way we where scared!!! hahahah!

shame we cant get a few of us to head down there and open them up!
ive got the FREQ for community patrol so could take my scanner.
Posted By: Wench Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 26th Nov 2008 11:29pm
Welcome Macca! bananadance You'll soon get roped in to all kinds - it's an addiction!
Posted By: SoundLad Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 27th Nov 2008 12:03am
*thinks 166.085" *grins*
Posted By: Dava2479 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 27th Nov 2008 3:12pm
Welcome to Wiki Macca.
Posted By: Dj_Macca Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 27th Nov 2008 7:06pm
thanks folks!!

wow those pictures and the info and maps is unreal you know!! amazin!
local history on out doorstep
Posted By: TRANCENTRAL Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 27th Nov 2008 7:36pm
welcome mate!
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 27th Nov 2008 7:43pm
Originally Posted by Dj_Macca
wow!
my first post guys!

proper loads of good stuff on this forum!

i went down these tunnels in the early 90s didnt go down all the way we where scared!!! hahahah!

shame we cant get a few of us to head down there and open them up!
ive got the FREQ for community patrol so could take my scanner.


welcome

will do PM Dude
Posted By: Dj_Macca Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 27th Nov 2008 11:07pm
got it mate! replied!

Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 29th Nov 2008 1:52pm
coool
so take it people have been down the archives and there is nothing of intrest there about the tunnels. I go round bidston with my little girl but can't ever find anything as she won't go of the path and only wants to jump in puddles. i need proper guide
Posted By: TRANCENTRAL Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Dec 2008 8:13pm
pms me duse will pass on mateor two!
Posted By: TRANCENTRAL Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Dec 2008 8:57pm
what i was to say mate pm me and i will pass on! (still keybord prob guys) trying my best!
Posted By: Dj_Macca Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Dec 2008 9:47pm
anybody got any pics now what the entrance is like after the council blanked it up?
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 1st Dec 2008 10:10pm
[Linked Image]


read the hole thread thumbsup
Posted By: Dj_Macca Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Dec 2008 12:23am
Originally Posted by robbo_theman
[Linked Image]


read the hole thread thumbsup



i did read it! seen the pics just thought someone else has had another go at it!!! hahahahah sorry dood
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 20th Dec 2008 1:14am
in

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Posted By: towim Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 21st Dec 2008 3:24pm
I have registered as i am a fanatic of these tunnels, was up there today? if anyone has info PM me, or can be contacted thru email.

Matty.
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Jan 2009 9:28pm
anything to say scalpel?
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 2nd Jan 2009 9:44pm
ste
Posted By: gemgem87 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Jan 2009 9:25pm
Hi guys i'm new, but i'm so intrigued by all of this (just read the entire thread, only took me about three hours lol!) i know it's all blocked up now with no way of gettin in but i will still really love to see the area for real so if anyone is plannin on venturin back there could you let me know as i'd love to tag along smile also, i found this site whilst googling for info about the monks ferry tunnels and the haymarket tunnels under birkenhead and hamilton square, can anyone direct me to a thread with any info on these??
Cheers guys!!
Posted By: Wheels Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Jan 2009 9:31pm
Haymarket tunnel smile

Posted By: Dava2479 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Jan 2009 9:33pm
Welcome to wiki gemgem87.
Posted By: gemgem87 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Jan 2009 9:35pm
Thanks Wheels smile
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Jan 2009 9:36pm
Welcome to the forums gemgem

Send a PM to Robbo_theMan if you're interested in seeing the area

You'll find the Haymarket tunnel topic in the Urban Exploration forum:

https://www.wikiwirral.co.uk/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/281529/1.html

Cant find the monks tunnel topic at the moment.

You'll find tonnes of info in Wirral History

Try looking through the History Index topic (click here) for any other topics of interest

Happy posting smile
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Jan 2009 9:37pm
spent so long composing that post that wheels stole my glory lol
Posted By: Dava2479 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Jan 2009 9:41pm
lol.
Posted By: gemgem87 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Jan 2009 9:55pm
thanks too joe, wheels just pipped you to the post there lol smile
Posted By: Wench Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Jan 2009 10:15pm
Originally Posted by BMW Joe
Send a PM to Robbo_theMan if you're interested in seeing the area


I never thought of that - THE Mole in our midst and not once did I think of asking him raftl smack
Posted By: TRANCENTRAL Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Jan 2009 10:27pm
what a post kid whistle
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Jan 2009 11:09pm
Originally Posted by gemgem87
Hi guys i'm new, but i'm so intrigued by all of this (just read the entire thread, only took me about three hours lol!) i know it's all blocked up now with no way of gettin in but i will still really love to see the area for real so if anyone is plannin on venturin back there could you let me know as i'd love to tag along smile also, i found this site whilst googling for info about the monks ferry tunnels and the haymarket tunnels under birkenhead and hamilton square, can anyone direct me to a thread with any info on these??
Cheers guys!!
Interested
Posted By: gemgem87 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Jan 2009 6:02pm
Hi all, had a natter with my dad today about these tunnels and he seems to remember them and thinks he might know an alternative way into them, but i think it's one you've already mentioned, and he isn't even sure if it would be there now anyway cos this was donkey's years ago :s
When you come from St James Church along Hoylake Road as if headin towards B & Q theres a big field on the corner of Hoylake Road and Bidston Village Road. He said this used to be known as the Nanny Goat Mountains (don't know how true that is lol??) and there used to be an entrance to something here (they thought it was just caves) but he's wonderin if this could be somethin to do with the Tunnels underneath?? I'm wonderin if this is the entrance the nasty evil council men covered up or was that entrance on Boundary Road?? (i'm poo with directions lol sorry)
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Jan 2009 6:07pm
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Posted By: TRANCENTRAL Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Jan 2009 6:17pm
NANNYS IS OFF HOBLYN ROAD BY FLAYBRICK!
Posted By: gemgem87 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Jan 2009 6:26pm
hoblyn road is off hoylake road tho right? and my google map shows it does lead to a foresty bit (obviously not where my dad was talkin about, must be where i get my rubbish sense of direction from lmao)
tell me honestly, am i onto something new here or has this all been covered??? i'm really curious smile
Posted By: gemgem87 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Jan 2009 6:27pm
actually i've just looked and it's nowhere near bidston hill is it?? lol, never mind smile
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Jan 2009 6:29pm
pm sent
Posted By: TRANCENTRAL Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Jan 2009 6:31pm
no mate
Posted By: ForeverFord Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 15th Jan 2009 2:13pm
What a brilliant thread!!

Well done people! happy
Posted By: derekdwc Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 15th Jan 2009 3:12pm
as far as I can recollect the nanny goat mountains are at the back of Mercer road at the end near tollemache road
On the top of them there used to be a hospital [fever hospital orfor sexual diseases - I mean people suffering from them not the diseases themselves]
There's a new housing estate there now
Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 15th Jan 2009 3:55pm
correct the nanny goat stands on lower flaybrick road which runs from mercer road up to the rear gates of flaybrick .when the fever hospital was there during the outbreak of typhoid that struck the wirral the dead where taken up this road to the hloding rooms in the cemetery close to where the catholic chapel used to be
Posted By: derekdwc Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 15th Jan 2009 4:02pm
thanks very interesting

anymore info on typhoid outbreak
Date
number of deaths
w2hat area was covered
Posted By: jimbob Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 15th Jan 2009 10:10pm
As you travel along hoylake road from St James church and pass the last of the houses on the left hand side. that stretch of land up to the light at th corner of bidston road was the site of very large field guns { and i mean big guns} during the last war. they where trained out to sea so as to protect the entrance to the river mersey. any opening dug into the rocky hill side behind was for the storage of ammo and shelters for the gun crews. there must be other members who remember them as well as me.
Posted By: TRANCENTRAL Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 15th Jan 2009 10:19pm
very intresting mate!
Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 15th Jan 2009 10:23pm
My father has told me many a story about the gun sites the one you refer to above was known as Big Bertha and they used to store the ammo for it in a cut out on Bidston village road .There where also gun sites behind Bidston hall with the ammo being stored in a purpose built trench on the track at the side of the hall that runs up to the hill you can still see the remains of this trench and some of the gun sites to this day
Posted By: TRANCENTRAL Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 15th Jan 2009 10:27pm
found it mate jonno40 will have to meet up kid!!
Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 15th Jan 2009 10:29pm
Originally Posted by TRANCENTRAL
found it mate jonno40 will have to meet up kid!!

be happy too smile
Posted By: TRANCENTRAL Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 15th Jan 2009 10:32pm
when your only round the corner from me
Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 15th Jan 2009 10:35pm
Originally Posted by derekdwc
thanks very interesting

anymore info on typhoid outbreak
Date
number of deaths
w2hat area was covered


Sorry mate but i only touched on the subject a little whilst researching flaybrick .
Posted By: lawton Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2009 9:20am
just heard that the police are down the tunnels today, apparently there opening them back up looking for a man called Finley, he was the one who murded another man in clauton the other week and they have found his car near the tunnels
Posted By: MissGuided Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2009 9:47am
Have you been down a tunnel yourself for the past few weeks?
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2009 10:10am
Originally Posted by lawton
just heard that the police are down the tunnels today, apparently there opening them back up looking for a man called Finley, he was the one who murded another man in clauton the other week and they have found his car near the tunnels



Pictures can be found in he local news topic:

https://www.wikiwirral.co.uk/forums...rime_cops_search_Bidston.html#Post289453
Posted By: Dava2479 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2009 1:24pm
There is no activity at the tunnels today as Robbo and I have been round there.No one has been near them.Not long been back from there.
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2009 1:27pm
wow now thats a bit different to what it looks like lol


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Posted By: Mr_Ice_Man Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Feb 2009 3:03pm
Originally Posted by lawton
just heard that the police are down the tunnels today, apparently there opening them back up looking for a man called Finley, he was the one who murded another man in clauton the other week and they have found his car near the tunnels


They found his car at the entrance of the farm and they found that on the same day of the stabbing.
Does anybody know how secure the enterance is now?
Posted By: TRANCENTRAL Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 8th Feb 2009 6:12pm
pretty secure backfilled!
A*se! I'm of work tommorrow and fancied a bit of a mooch. Ah well plan B, I might try and investigate the Tranmere tunnels instead.
Posted By: Craigpum Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 8th Feb 2009 6:20pm
its only backfilled with soil and tracked in with machine..so although it looks well mounded up and compacted it would still be relatively loose..( i drive plant machinery ).. shovels out!!
saying that... who knows if they re secured a new door??
and anyways what about the entrance on the top of the hill
Posted By: TRANCENTRAL Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 8th Feb 2009 6:24pm
guys its packed tight wink pm me guys!
Worth a little look then. If anybody fancies a day out send me a p.m.
Posted By: phalinmegob Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 8th Feb 2009 6:28pm
Originally Posted by biscansplums
A*se! I'm of work tommorrow and fancied a bit of a mooch. Ah well plan B, I might try and investigate the Tranmere tunnels instead.


take a brick hammer and cold chisle with you then.!
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 8th Feb 2009 6:37pm
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yeah no probs matey, I wasn't planning on going around Bidston Hill with a shovel, just fancied having a nosey around.

Sorry for rocking the boat chaps, I consider my wrist well and truly slapped.
Posted By: hoseman Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 8th Feb 2009 8:11pm
And Robbo should know, he`s been bollocked sooo many times for this!!!!! HA HA. happy
Posted By: Wheels Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 8th Feb 2009 8:13pm
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Posted By: Dava2479 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 9th Feb 2009 1:31am
Originally Posted by hoseman
And Robbo should know, he`s been bollocked sooo many times for this!!!!! HA HA. happy



withthat raftl
Whats happened to the photos I posted?????? confused

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Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 9th Feb 2009 6:55pm
hang on i will put them back,
we have to remove some pointless posts. . wink
Posted By: TRANCENTRAL Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 9th Feb 2009 8:24pm
Well not long till the corpy fill it in for good now!
Posted By: Dava2479 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 9th Feb 2009 8:29pm
withthat
Posted By: MerseyMan Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Feb 2009 1:32pm
Restored to it's former glory this could take in a few extra pennies for the council, also tranmere tunnels too. Any cash would help at the moment since everything is being closed at the moment...why not open something?? plus they don't have to build anything most of the work has been done. Pipe dreams i think frown
Posted By: Wheels Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Feb 2009 1:48pm
I think it would be cool if they put some original itams in there and restore a portion of it.

then when people go visit they have to crawl inside with hard hats and lamps. it would give it a brilliant atmosphere and give a sense of adventure.
Posted By: MissGuided Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Feb 2009 2:22pm
yes i can see how the disability discriminations act would work with that raftl
Posted By: Wheels Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Feb 2009 2:45pm
GTFO! lol

stop spoiling my dream!

(maybe we could have a secret door for wheel chair access)
Posted By: MissGuided Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Feb 2009 2:59pm
with a big slope?
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Feb 2009 6:12pm
Tunnels are being sealed up right now smile
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Feb 2009 6:25pm
i find it strange that they choose to do it whilst it is dark?
Posted By: TRANCENTRAL Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Feb 2009 6:28pm
yep just been down getting filled guys!
Posted By: uggla Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Feb 2009 6:48pm
we should get discoverys cities of the underworld to do a show on the wirral they could easily do a full hour on it.

Anyone see the bunkers in berlin they where fantastic.
Posted By: MissGuided Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Feb 2009 7:07pm
Bang goes your business plan Wheels

And I'd been working on the souvenir sticker too frown

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Posted By: Snodvan Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Feb 2009 8:05pm
I thought a good idea would be to use the tunnels as Council offices - then they could flog-off the present offices to Peel Holdings for 'redevelopment'

Snod
Posted By: MissGuided Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 10th Feb 2009 8:54pm
Originally Posted by Snodvan
I thought a good idea would be to use the tunnels as Council offices - then they could flog-off the present offices to Peel Holdings for 'redevelopment'

Snod


And the present offices would then get mysteriously burnt down - that I suppose could be classed as a redevelopment.
Posted By: PhilH Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Feb 2009 8:03pm
http://www.oldwirral.com/bidston_tunnels.html

Oldwirral.com is a new site for me found off another thread on here. There is an old photo of the tunnels in a better state of repair on the address at the start of this post.Loads of good stuff on this site.
Posted By: PhilH Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Feb 2009 8:09pm
Page two and three show the results of wiki with photo's off this thread but the first page photo maybe new to some enthusiasts of this subject
Posted By: TRANCENTRAL Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Feb 2009 9:13pm
some pixs are new about nov just gone mate!
Posted By: PhilH Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Feb 2009 10:07pm
Flicked through them mate...Just going to give them a better look at!
Posted By: TRANCENTRAL Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Feb 2009 10:16pm
was there kid!!
Posted By: PhilH Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Feb 2009 10:25pm
Envious....I would love to do some exploration to further this subject but I think any attempts to do so should be on the QT and with purpose to find more answers to the unknown parts of the complex.

Somebody somewhere must have taken a photo or two of the tunnels in use!
Posted By: TRANCENTRAL Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Feb 2009 10:36pm
p.m.s kid!
Posted By: Dava2479 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 11th Feb 2009 10:46pm
There is nothing in the way of images in the archives,but the reference library might have photo`s.Borough Rd, 1st floor.
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 12th Feb 2009 1:34pm
i have pix covering every inch of the tunnels wink
As a kid my friends used to always go inside the tunnels but i was always to afraid (scardy Kat!) and would wait outside. I was so fasinated with the storys and descriptions they used to give me and have always wondered what they look like inside.

I have found this thread so interesting and the pictures are wicked! happy Thanks guys laugh
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 13th Feb 2009 1:55pm
Just been to the entrance there is no more tunnels ever by the looks of things they have cemented it proper this time

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Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 13th Feb 2009 2:26pm
no way cry

well at least we have the best reportage ever on these air raid shelters! wink

thanks to wikiwirral these will be remembered forever, good work guys happy

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Posted By: scoops Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 13th Feb 2009 3:37pm
Damn they really meant business this time.
Well there's still the other 2 entrances, I'm some clever soul will figure a way in through them wink
Posted By: marilyn Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 13th Feb 2009 4:44pm
anyone got any photos from when they were built
Posted By: PhilH Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 13th Feb 2009 5:12pm
I was up there myself earlier today and came to the same conclusion Robbo.

Entrance no 2 or the Bow rd exit need a good looking at again.
Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 13th Feb 2009 5:22pm
Brow Road ??
Posted By: PhilH Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 13th Feb 2009 5:29pm
Sorry Jonno.....mistake! just bo 2 entrance!
Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 13th Feb 2009 5:30pm
lol thought i had missed something then
Posted By: marilyn Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 13th Feb 2009 5:34pm
jonno40 are all your pics posted
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 13th Feb 2009 6:28pm
Originally Posted by marilyn
anyone got any photos from when they were built


The story goes that because of the war anyone with a camera was taking pictures of bombed houses for the insurance companies.

And with the Tunnels being classed as Military then there
isnt much chance to be fair were really going to have
to rely on a member of the public having a random pic.

hello all. i remember someone mentioning the lennox lane exit. indeed it is behind the bungalow on the corner of the lane. it was to accomodate bidston village, but was never finished. it looks like the other entrances.
i was down the tunnels a couple of days ater the police had opened them up. went in on my own. came out with a bad stomach. spoke to a few people in work and i was told there has been a methane problem in there for many years. most of my photos have turned out with a hazy mist around them.
the tunnel which is between the two entrances was known as the t.cave. it was shaped like a letter T. it only went in 5-8metres, turned left and right for about 2-3m and turned again for a 1m. i beleive this would have been for the airraid warden.
Posted By: TRANCENTRAL Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 25th Feb 2009 8:18pm
You dug it out then kid?
has anyone ever noticed that above(on top) the two entrances there is old metal bars sticking out of the sandstone. does anyone know what these were for? has anyone got any info on the tank that was excavated next to number two entrance. any info would be appreciated.
does any one know anything about the ghost down there? a chap i spoke to said him and his mates witnessed it years ago. upon inspection of my photos the face of a ghost can be seen in 3 photos all taken in diffrent locations. i dont know how to put them up cause it keeps saying photo size too big.
i think it was the kids. the council only leaned the metal sheet against the sandstone and back filled with soil. under the concrete is still hollow and accessable.
Posted By: TRANCENTRAL Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 25th Feb 2009 8:36pm
what tank is that kid?
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 25th Feb 2009 8:36pm
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when i was younger i was told that behind the steel door was a tank that was abandoned many years ago. i was speaking to a bloke the other day and i mentioned the tank and he said in was excavated next to number two entrance.
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 25th Feb 2009 8:50pm
i very much dought its there now
forgot to mention. the point that i got in has been backfilled with cement. was done about two weeks ago. sorry
Posted By: TRANCENTRAL Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 25th Feb 2009 9:15pm
DONT YOU DO PMS KID? LETS SEE YER PIXS KID?
Posted By: TRANCENTRAL Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 25th Feb 2009 9:27pm
take yer time kid!
Posted By: TRANCENTRAL Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 25th Feb 2009 9:37pm
nothing to say kid?
Posted By: kimpri Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 25th Feb 2009 9:50pm
gone 2 get them developed in tescos me thinks tex ritter...
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 25th Feb 2009 9:53pm
lol He sending them to me wink
Posted By: kimpri Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 25th Feb 2009 10:02pm
might need help sending them to you dude..
Posted By: MissGuided Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 26th Feb 2009 1:38pm
CAN I JUST ECHO ROBBO'S WARNING ABOUT WHAT YOU POST UP ON HERE?

THIS SITE CAN BE ACCESSED BY THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
THIS THREAD CAN BE READ BY ANYONE - INCLUDING KIDS.

SO IF YOU ARE PLANNING TO GO AND EXPLORE, PLEASE DON'T MAKE IT EASY FOR OTHERS IN GIVING MAPS/DIRECTIONS ETC.

IF YOU ARE PLANNING ACTIVITIES, KEEP IT IN PM'S.

THANKS.
Posted By: TRANCENTRAL Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 27th Feb 2009 8:15pm
the bidston tunnels are now sealed so nobody can get into them!!
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 3rd Mar 2009 11:33am
.fixed
Posted By: gunsjon398 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 3rd Mar 2009 8:55pm
The cemetary is called Flaybrick Cemetary and thanks for posting the info on the disease i am now warning my pals not to venteur into there.
Hi we went to flay brick today and i was looking at all the masonic symbols that seem to be scatterd on and around flaybrick chapel/cemetry can anyone tell me anymore info about the tunnels ie entrances groups who visit them etc my email is [email protected]
Posted By: Mark Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Mar 2009 6:38pm
You can find more information about Flaybrick cemetery
in this running thread Click me

Or look up in the index thread? Click Me
Posted By: chriskay Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Mar 2009 6:55pm
Originally Posted by rock_of_ages
can anyone tell me anymore info about the tunnels ie entrances groups who visit them etc my email is [email protected]


All the available info. is in this thread; I know it's 29 pages, but there you go. There is no possibility of access now, as the Council have comprehensively sealed them.

Cheers, Chris.
Posted By: MissGuided Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Mar 2009 7:36pm
Originally Posted by rock_of_ages
Hi we went to flay brick today and i was looking at all the masonic symbols that seem to be scatterd on and around flaybrick chapel/cemetry can anyone tell me anymore info about the tunnels ie entrances groups who visit them etc my email is [email protected]


Hi r.o.a. (nice handle smile )
There is a thread on Flaybrick Mortuary Chapel, with a bit of discussion about the masonic symbols. I have always found it a bit bizarre that they feature on a 'Christian' building.

Link to thread
Posted By: jimbob Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Mar 2009 9:38pm
Masons are christians
Posted By: Jamie_LFC Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Mar 2009 9:43pm
All the entrances are closed up... Arent They?
Posted By: jonno40 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 4th Mar 2009 9:59pm
well and truly sealed
Posted By: rock_of_ages Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 5th Mar 2009 10:33am
masons are not christians masonary is traced back to satanism
Posted By: rock_of_ages Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 5th Mar 2009 10:34am
thanks to everyone for the helpful links and info
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 5th Mar 2009 1:38pm
THERE ARE NOW frown


Originally Posted by Jamie_LFC
All the entrances are closed up... Arent They?
Posted By: scoops Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 5th Mar 2009 3:41pm
Originally Posted by rock_of_ages
masons are not christians masonary is traced back to satanism

Masons can be Christian, they can also be Jewish or Muslim.
As long as they believe in some sort of "supreme being".
It's believed to have it's origins in the construction of King Solomon's Temple according to legend.
And they tend to devote a lot of their time to charitable causes.
Doesn't sound very Satanic to me wink
Posted By: jimbob Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 5th Mar 2009 9:10pm
thats it in a nut shell
Posted By: RUDEBOX Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 14th Mar 2009 10:50pm
BRILLIANT! Four hours reading this entire post
Extremley interesting-well done and thanks everyone involved.
Took me back to being a kid with my famous 5/ secret 7 books!! Thanks again x
Posted By: scoops Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 14th Mar 2009 10:55pm
It's a great thread ain't it Rudey wink
I joined up here because of this thread. Now everyone knows who to blame raftl
Posted By: glanny09 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 24th Mar 2009 11:02pm
Hi,

im new to all this so bare with me.
I,m not sure how many people who have posted items ,have been in these tunnels but i lived on Hoylake Road for many years and have been in the tunnels many times albeit years apart because the council and all the local kids were in a constant battle, seal entrance up ,dig it out,seal it up ect.

Well heres what i remember about the tunnels inside hope it helps.As a side note can i just put in a disclaimer that this is a memory its not intended as a virtual map.

Going into the entrance of the tunnel,which is off the main field of the Rhods (short for Rhodedandrum Gardens) you drop down straight away about 3 foot,walk forward about 12 foot and you come across a wall you can walk around this wall either left or right and coming round the wall you are then in the main tunnel walkway.If you kept the wall to your right hand side eventually you would get back to the entrance.

Walk forward a 100 yrds and there is a passageway on your left if you walked right down this passageway and turned left there is a steel type door,the entrance to the outside is by the rocks directly behind the houses on hoylake road.
There is probably 15foot of compacted earth ,me and my brothers/mates tried to dig this out many years ago but believe me you have absolutely no chance.

Back into the tunnel walk away fron the steel door and just keep going as straight as you can the tunnel turns right slightly this will lead you round to the steel ladder,very rusted and broken away ,half way up there is the remains of a siren or possibly something to do with ventilation above this is the blocked up remains of the entrance to Bidston Hill.

The only way i can decribe were this is is that there is a private road by brow road/boundry road halfway up that, turn left and about 50-100 yard there is a 10ft circle that is the exit.Hav,nt been there for years but i only came out of that exit once in all the times the tunnel was opened.

Back down the ladder and keeping left there was another storage room(i think) but keeping to the main walkway and keeping left will take you right back to the tunel entrance.

Inside the middle area are passages with smashed urinals and the odd bricked wall (great when we were playing hide and seek if you were small enough to get behind) and thats it really.

I think its a shame the council do brick it up because i think in the right hands it could be tourist attraction,like when the windmill is opened the tunnel could be opened the same day.
However in this day and age i certainly would,nt want my kids getting into a dark tunnel in the middle of a forest!!

Anyway it,d be nice if anyone could add to this or if they,ve got any stories about the rhods...

cheers
Posted By: Doctor_Frick Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 25th Mar 2009 10:20am
We should start a collection for the fefurb costs.
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 25th Mar 2009 12:27pm
Thanks for sharing that with us glanny09

you to I love,d it down there and i would love to see them open to the public

thanks again glanny09

Robbo smile camera
Posted By: camaroz Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 3rd Apr 2009 9:28am
Originally Posted by Doctor_Frick
We should start a collection for the fefurb costs.


Sneaked a few minutes while drinking my coffee at work, going to read entire thread at home tonite.
Dont know if this has been mentioned before, but has a lobby been considered?
Theres seems to be a ton of lottery grant money going into tourism, perhaps something could be started for The Wirral to get some of the millions to refurb the tunnels, what a tourist attraction, not to mention new jobs created!
Posted By: vette88 Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 3rd Apr 2009 11:09am
Hey Rob its Dave.. Always wanted to get into those tunnels but getting in has always prooved to much of a task!
Hows about that LT1?
Picking up the vette today from dyno demon.. new rad and a Dyno!
Ill let you know the results but only if you promise not to laugh!!
Posted By: camaroz Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 3rd Apr 2009 11:14am
Originally Posted by vette88
Hey Rob its Dave.. Always wanted to get into those tunnels but getting in has always prooved to much of a task!
Hows about that LT1?
Picking up the vette today from dyno demon.. new rad and a Dyno!
Ill let you know the results but only if you promise not to laugh!!


Email on its way thumbsup
Posted By: UrbanEx2U Re: Bidston Hill Underground Tunnels Part 1 - 3rd Apr 2009 12:34pm
OK


More pix will be up soon smile

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