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Are you asking for a viewing because the lady didnt even throw a butt out or are you thinking the photo may show the exact position of the 'offence' and make a difference?

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Originally Posted by Jross
The question I have been trying to get answered is can I have access under the Freedom of Information Act to a copy or a transcript on this camera.
Any help would be greatly appreciated thank you


Details are supplied how you can appeal the decision, do not use the phrase "freedom of information" as that would extend the time they have to let you see the evidence.

Appeal as soon as possible as this retains your right to discount if it is settled within 10 days if you think the evidence adequately shows the offence.

I would not risk going to court unless you are totally convinced there is no evidence, the costs are disproportionate if the case goes against you.


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Trying to compile a list of "littering offences" not targeted and will ask wirral council and kingdom for clarification.
Throwing paper or rice confetti at wedding
Feeding bread to birds ducks
Throwing chips to seagull
Peanuts to squirrels
Firing a rocket firework into the air
Throwing a stick for the dog and leaving it
Emptying tea or coffee dregs on grass
In fishing throwing maggots. Etc.into the water
Thriwing down sand or grit

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Leaving collection bags on the pavement/sidewalk (tarmack)
Scraping dog muck or chewy off shoe/tyre/child
Champagne cork outside in summer (Toffs/DD)
broken glass after car theft or break in.
flowers/memorabilia left at scene of whatever. (some historic)
Chinese New Year (red riprap mess)
This should get them off the back of the puffers.


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Passed out drunks littering the pavement.
Vomit on pavements.
Empty cans in gutters and garden walls.


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Originally Posted by dustymclean
Leaving collection bags on the pavement/sidewalk


Biffa wont be pleased lol.

Don't forget leaves from your drive way, ive seen a few people with the blowers, blowing them out on the street.

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Originally Posted by Jross
Thanks for the information I have already appealed on behalf of the lady unfortunately as I said the result was, we have looked at the body camera, and the enforcement officers have done nothing wrong therefore fine is upheld.
The government states that there is certain procedures they must follow and for them to wait until our friend was in the car and the taxi driver ready to drive off then knock on the car window and ask our friend to get out then start using phrases like £60 to £2,000 fines that causes great stress.

The other issue is the government's guidelines state tickets should not be given to vulnerable people in previous guidelines this was stated as mental health and homeless that guideline has been removed and new guidelines just state's vulnerable, and I think any opinion might see a 74 year old widow as vulnerable. The person who gave me the details of the appeal stated vulnerable was mental health only, not true.

The problem is our friend was upset and confused and her re collection differs to what they say is on the body cam.


So another catch yu ?
Taxi pulls up, No Smoking in the Taxi, ciggy dropped £80 Fine.

I would say a 74r old is Vulnerable. Obviously a Slack Day mad

Was it a dropped cigarette on the video ?

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Originally Posted by Mark
THE first prosecutions of people who failed to pay fixed penalty notices handed out as part of Wirral Council’s “zero-tolerance” crackdown on littering have been brought before the courts.

An £80 fine issued for dropping litter spiraled in to £370 for 16 people who failed to enter a plea or attend court.

In total, 18 cases were dealt with at Wirral Magistrates’ Court on Wednesday, with two people pleading guilty by letter and the other 16 found guilty in their absence.


The 16 who failed to enter a plea or attend court were all hit with a fine of £100, as well as being ordered to pay £100 contribution to the council’s prosecution costs, £150 criminal court costs and a £20 victim surcharge.

http://wirralglobe.co.uk
https://www.wirral.gov.uk/news/06-11-2015/court-convicts-18-non-payment-litter-fine


That's not £2,000 pound !!

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Originally Posted by Jross
this lady does not have the money for this fine


But money for fags and taxis?

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Cold,dark wet and windy nights and not much else to do.
Thanks guys for your other littering offences suggestions. I have compiled a list and written (yes paper, envelope and stamp) to Wirral Council, Kingdom and also Keep Britain Tidy for clarifications. Will post up anything of interest

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Double Fine : ?? its possible on a bad day ?

You get caught dropping litter frown
Litter police comes over and issues you a ticket for the fist offence.

You disagree and throw his Fix Penalty Notice away !!

I guess you will get a double fine in the post.....


It always reminds me of Jim Davidson, saying he was caught speeding 3 times with in an hour !
His argument was he never slowed down, so how can you get me 3 times lol.


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So if you have a skip on the street as your having home improvements, does this now qualify as a possible fine if something blows off int to the road ? Or is littering the Human Touch think

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Originally Posted by Gibbo
Originally Posted by Jross
this lady does not have the money for this fine


But money for fags and taxis?


Its only been over the last few years as relatives are becoming older etc, i understand why they may get a taxi.
Its mainly health issues and its that one big shop a week or fortnight. Trying to remain independent for as long as possible.
Arthritis, safety, health issues. You will find they do live quite close but just too far to stand at a bus stop.

Thats just one possible reason.
Not affording the fine but getting a taxi are probably needs must.

Smoking well thats a argument, with a thousands for and a thousand against.

Personally pensioners should be exempt or dealt with more individually, I think after 70yrs they know the difference of right and wrong and a tap on the shoulder or a letter of explanation would go alot further.

Only my thoughts, as this whole subject of £80 fines gets right up my nose smile

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A WIRRAL man has spoken of his shock after he was given a £60 fine for littering after a bookmark fell out of his book as he left work in Birkenhead.

David Ellis, from Liscard, had just finished his shift at Faiveley Transport on Thursday afternoon when he was handed the fine - which goes up to £80 if it is not paid within 10 days - following what he says was a “genuine accident”.

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So his ticket said discarded cigarette, must be a default setting on the machines.

Windy day, should be given the opportunity to pick it up.

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Yeah wirral Council have dismissed the fine. They got it wrong they say

I say


When not to issue a fixed penalty notice

https://www.wikiwirral.co.uk/forums...-neighbourhoods-act-2005.html#Post986101

Lots more on the subject

https://www.wikiwirral.co.uk/forums...l-litter-police-80-fines.html#Post953329

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There’s been much clamour in the local press concerning the overzealous pursuit of alleged litter louts or more accurately those who happen to be easy targets of litter Hitlers issuing Fixed Penalty Notices (FPNs) at the drop of a bookmark.

http://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/1...enalty_quashed_after_Globe_intervention/

Now as our readers will know we have a particular aversion to filth and detritus at Leaky Towers which may explain why we report so often on the dirty dealings of Wirral Council. Therefore whilst we realise the days of the Litter Defence Volunteers have long gone we would usually wholeheartedly applaud efforts to keep Wirral tidy. However we also realise that standards in local public life have also fallen into the gutter.So when we read that fines from FPNs issued by Kingdom Security Ltd on behalf of Wirral Council had topped well over a quarter of a million pounds in the first three months of their mutually beneficial arrangement we began to question the motivation behind the cash for trash scheme.

Is this more about swelling Council coffers than about environmental concerns ?.

One of our sources shares these concerns and has provided Wirral Leaks with information that suggests that Kingdom Security Ltd are clearly incentivising their staff to issue Fixed Penalty Notices and at the same time misleading councils about it across the UK.

Our source informs us that Kingdom bought up a company called XFor who were an environmental enforcement company, who are mentioned in the articles below .The XFor Directors now run the environmental enforcement for Kingdom. These articles talk about incentivising with XFor, a practice that is being continued with Kingdom.

http://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/10300588.Litter_fines_firm_goes_into_administration/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-21200058

Another article shows a previous Kingdom officer who worked in Merton and was fired for sticking up for the public because they were wrongfully being fined. There is also mention of a £5 bonus for each ticket issued. This practice went on despite Merton Council responding in a a Freedom of Information Request that : “Under our agreement with Kingdom security no incentive scheme or structure is in place. Staff are not rewarded for the volume of FPNs issued.”

http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/...p_for_public__claims_council_litter_cop/

Consequently following the recent bad local press Kingdom have been quick to take down their job advert showing that these incentive bonuses are part of the job description of their grandly-titled Senior Environmental Enforcement Officers .
Fortunately our quick thinking source saved a copy before it was removed :

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzQAnNSJw0cgVlVSaEJ5TUlxSzZCTmxncGtZYjk3cXJSQ0ln/view

These job adverts and various articles in the press clearly show that Kingdom Security Ltd are incentivising their staff to issue more tickets. If councils are clearly stating they prohibit this, are Kingdom in breach of their contracts ?. And could this mean that every ticket they have issued has been done without proper authority and everyone who has been fined is entitled to claim the fines back from these councils ?.

Here are some further examples where Kingdom Security Ltd are accused of overzealous issuing of FPNs.

ttps://www.change.org/p/conwy-council-terminate-the-employment-of-the-private-enforcement-firm-kingdom-security

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/local-news/axe-security-firms-contract-now-5678491

http://www.kentonline.co.uk/canterbury/news/canterbury-cigarette-gestapo-jibe-17685/

http://www.thanetgazette.co.uk/Coup...te-land/story-27818196-detail/story.html

http://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/1..._258_000_as_council_crackdown_continues/

http://www.thanetgazette.co.uk/Coup...te-land/story-27818196-detail/story.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-peel-size-10p-piece-binned-anyway.html

Sounds like Wirral Council undertook their usual fail safe “due diligence” exercise before they entered into their contract with Kingdom.Indeed we’d be particularly interested to know whether Kingdom informed the Council that the Home Office have imposed illegal working civil penalties amounting to £15,000 on them !.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa.../464535/CPCT_NW_WEBSITE_JAN-MAR_2015.pdf

Therefore might we suggest that Wirral Council should have checked that Kingdom Security Ltd had cleared up their own mess before allowing them to inflict their charmless enforcers on the long suffering public of Wirral.There’s certainly no mention of any of the above on Kingdom’s own blog where they boast : “Kingdom Makes Incredible Start on Wirral”.

http://blog.kingdom.co.uk/2015/07/kingdom-makes-incredible-start-in-wirral.html

We’re left wondering if the shit hits the fan on this one who’s there to pick up the tab?.

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