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Unbelieveable
Am I right in thinking the planning office is still next door?

This council, and even worse the Planning department should hold their head in shame.

But I won't hold my breath.

WHAT a waste of space CUTS CUTS CUTS!!! the d**kheads who made this happen should be flogged in public!! then put in a metal container and then dumped off the liverpool bar!..

Somebody voted the politicians in and they are in charge, you get what you vote for.

I don't believe I voted in Councilers to break the law?

And yet I'm wrestling with the council to get change of use of a warehouse so that I can open up a leisure facility that will create jobs and potentially boost the local economy. I wonder what would happen if I refused to pay the newly increased fee which is nearly £400 and just cracked on without permission.

If I am right in thinking Wirral council have allowed over 1500 people to take early voluntary retirement not so long ago I would imagine this has an impact on the remaining staff, and with more job losses on the horizon, I feel sorry for the staff remaining,

The tories have battered all of the local authorities that are ran under Labour with huge cuts, coincidence much?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/nov/14/council-cuts-targeted-deprived-areas

You did not vote Graham Burgess in he was appointed.Councilors are elected by those who vote.
As for lack of planning permission this happens regularly, money wasted he will argue how we advertise the Wirral to investors.

No longer are council jobs for life. Article in local paper this week saying in a big sob story how staff are suffering from stress. I dare say they are, but so are those who have no job at all. So how about the council reducing the hours of their full time staff in an effort to help and reduce their stress levels, and employ some of the unemployed on part time hours? Could it work.....no! Simple, because those who suffer from stress in the work place are not likely to reduce their hours, they would sooner have sick pay and a longer time off, because it is 'stress'.
So far as the 'Welcome Gift' for the new Chief Executive is concerned, I believe that not all decissions are passed by the Councillors. Departments also make decissions and more than likley, someone has been told to get on with it, from a more senior member of the department, without knowing the so called 'ins and outs' or even being aware that the Town Hall is a listed building. Another 'nice little job' to keep the office junior busy. Order a bit of furniture, decorating, quotes for re-vamp , nothing hard about that is there? Although it may not have been the office junior, it could have been someone from a temporary agency who was covering for someone who was off sick with stress (at astronomical cost)!
We'll never know, but it's time people who make 'big mistakes' are got rid of. If it was e.g nursing profession, doctors, teachers,care workers etc. they would be up before the Head! It's time some were sitting up and taking note, of how important it is to do their job correctly and if they don't know, then ask!
I've said enough.....but I'm not sorry this time.

Seems to me the only time any elected person actually tries to do a decent job is when they are in genuine fear of being ousted at the next election.
Councillors (etc) who know darned well that come what may, they will still be elected, anyhow, no matter how badly they perform, are therefore the least likely to give a damn, unfortunately.

my sister in law works for the council and the money they waste is unbelievable!!!they get full pay when they are off sick so why wouldnt they go off!!!also i used to work in leasowe castle and the council used to often have conferences there that were charged at approx £95 per head and for that they used to get a room a white board and water tea or coffee and a couple of biscuits and a small buffet for lunch!!!!im sure if they looked they could of found a room in their office to have meetings on how to spend tax payers money!!!!!THEY ARE A DISGRACE!

So right Pokerchamp. Another something they could stop wasting money on, is the Wirral Tourism Awards. What a joke that is. So few 'Visitor Attractions' in the area now, it's same old,same old, winners. Church Farm, Ness Gardens,Tam O'Shanters, Lady Lever & Port Sunlight. The same small hotels and the restaurants/pubs that are here one year and gone the next. At least, in the last couple of years the awards have been held at the Floral Pavilion, which must have been a little less expensive, than the years they held the event at Thornton Hall Hotel.

@EvilCycle... you may find that the Tory Councils in the southern part of the country pay less council tax per household than the Labour Councils in the north of the country. Always was that way, WMBC was (as I have said before) not so long ago, the third highest council tax bandings in the country.Liverpool was the highest! Maybe there is an attempt to even everyones council tax, nationwide. If one council can manage on a lot less, why not another. Nothing to do with Labour versus Tory. I'm sure you would be happier if your council tax didn't go up each year.How much more do you want to pay?

Pokerchamp and granny, before you have all the council workers taken out and shot (as Jeremy Clarkson wanted) think about all the services the council runs and all the poor and deprived and underprivileged people it caters for. Then think about the hundreds of good committed workers just trying to do a good job. In all these cuts Burgess has not once hinted at getting rid of the sickies, which the vast majority of good workers would welcome. Finally just hope that you or one of your family never needs these services, or that when you are old or infirm you will have enough money to have yourselves looked after privately.

Too many people badmouth council workers without having a clue what they are talking about. We struggle year in and year out with cut back after cut back and try to do a good job and to smile at the same time! They have stolen our pension and now this barstard wants to steal our jobs.

The Burgess bloke was one of Derek Hattons henchmen some years ago, you would think he would be against any cuts! Those employed by the council are on Easy Street, no doubt.

Capt America... Pokerchamp and myself were mainly talking about wasted money on council events and conferences etc. Don't think we mentioned anything about, not needing certain services.
You may have misunderstood what I endeavoured to say.
It seems you have got confused, as my earlier point about 'stress' of employees was based on the newspaper article this week. You agree that the 'sickies' should go and nobody mentioned taking all the council workers out and shooting them. So far as not having a clue what I'm talking about with regard to 'council workers', well I have. Yes, many work hard but there are also those who have been there since the day they left school and 'don't have a clue' how much harder, others work in the private sector!

In addition,I don't understand your comments on 'hoping that I or none of my family should need the services' etc. We were making points about councils wasting money.
As it happens, I already pay £100 per month for council tax out of my state pension, but I suppose it's ok for pensioners to pay more and also those on minimum wage, is it? If I have to pay anymore, they may as well put me a corner and wait for me to turn blue!!

i just dont understand why most people get SSP if your off work sick and i simply pointed out that they should not be different from anybody else and as for the conferences at nearly one hundred pound per person that is just madness!!!!!maybe you have something to do with the council capt america and thats why youve gone so defensive about them!!!

Granny and Pokerchamp. if you actually re-read what you have posted you say some quite extraordinary things. Here are just 2 examples.

Why should full time workers have their hours cut? Do you think they are different to everybody else and don't have a mortgage or a car loan or support children or that they may have even worked hard to get where they are? How utterly ridiculous to say they should have their hours cut.

SSP is available to anyone in this country whether you work for the council or not. It is a form of social welfare to help people who are ill and unable to work.

I'm not defensive I'm sick of people having a go at council workers because they are an easy target. Oh and Kevinhit, that Burgess bloke wasn't one of Derek Hatton's henchmen, he actually opposed Hatton in the 80's. And if you think "Those employed by the council are on Easy Street, no doubt." you are sadly, sadly, deluded.

(quote)So how about the council reducing the hours of their full time staff in an effort to help and reduce their stress levels (unquote)

My post ....in hindsight, I should have said 'relating to those suffering from stress'





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Not wanting to get into any altercation Cpt. but I have seen and experienced first hand how many within operate. They are the ones who have given the council employees a bad name, not the likes of myself, Sorry, I do know (as stated previously)there are many who put much into their work but I also know more.
Maybe you haven't come across it.

some poeople!!thats all i have to say!!granny this capt america is obviously somebody that benefits from the way the council work!!

Thanks Granny, right or wrong I do respect your point of view and your right to your opinion you know.

Ok, most council employees probably do give it their all but there are certainly a 'few' who are definitely on Easy Street, I know there are. I certainly am not deluded, just stating what I know.....

Yes there are people in all jobs (both public and private sector) who swing the lead. I've never understood this attitude because it's far more stressful to try to 'look busy' than to be busy.

I'm sure that's also the way with some council employees, but they will be in the minority?

I can't really get to the bottom of the job threads and topics on here. People are either accused of being unemployed and not wanting to work or being employed and not wanting to do their jobs?

Is the general consensus of opinion on Wiki that NOBODY in Wirral actually wants to do any work at all, either paid or unpaid?

Ditto Capt.

It seems to me that multiple acts of legislation have forced local and central government to expand their provision of services and to oversee and police that legislation.

Perhaps we need to step back and view all these rules and regulations which seem to grow like triffids and have a similar effect to strangulation of the whole country.

Well said Moonstar: you see the thing is both Local and central governments are Corprates. being a Corperate is a bussiness like BT, BP, Barclays Bank ect; all have Stake Holders (share holders)who elect members to represent them, just like both Local and central governments. All businesses need to grow, to do more business. BT, Barclays and the like do more business by getting more customers or developing other areas of revenue streams. So what about Local and central governments, well you hit the nail on the head; Multiple acts of legislation have forced local and central government to expand their provision of services and to oversee and police that legislation. That all doing more business.

answer this: Why does Wirral borough Council have a Corprate Plan?