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Capt America... Pokerchamp and myself were mainly talking about wasted money on council events and conferences etc. Don't think we mentioned anything about, not needing certain services.
You may have misunderstood what I endeavoured to say.
It seems you have got confused, as my earlier point about 'stress' of employees was based on the newspaper article this week. You agree that the 'sickies' should go and nobody mentioned taking all the council workers out and shooting them. So far as not having a clue what I'm talking about with regard to 'council workers', well I have. Yes, many work hard but there are also those who have been there since the day they left school and 'don't have a clue' how much harder, others work in the private sector!

In addition,I don't understand your comments on 'hoping that I or none of my family should need the services' etc. We were making points about councils wasting money.
As it happens, I already pay £100 per month for council tax out of my state pension, but I suppose it's ok for pensioners to pay more and also those on minimum wage, is it? If I have to pay anymore, they may as well put me a corner and wait for me to turn blue!!

i just dont understand why most people get SSP if your off work sick and i simply pointed out that they should not be different from anybody else and as for the conferences at nearly one hundred pound per person that is just madness!!!!!maybe you have something to do with the council capt america and thats why youve gone so defensive about them!!!

Granny and Pokerchamp. if you actually re-read what you have posted you say some quite extraordinary things. Here are just 2 examples.

Why should full time workers have their hours cut? Do you think they are different to everybody else and don't have a mortgage or a car loan or support children or that they may have even worked hard to get where they are? How utterly ridiculous to say they should have their hours cut.

SSP is available to anyone in this country whether you work for the council or not. It is a form of social welfare to help people who are ill and unable to work.

I'm not defensive I'm sick of people having a go at council workers because they are an easy target. Oh and Kevinhit, that Burgess bloke wasn't one of Derek Hatton's henchmen, he actually opposed Hatton in the 80's. And if you think "Those employed by the council are on Easy Street, no doubt." you are sadly, sadly, deluded.

(quote)So how about the council reducing the hours of their full time staff in an effort to help and reduce their stress levels (unquote)

My post ....in hindsight, I should have said 'relating to those suffering from stress'





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Not wanting to get into any altercation Cpt. but I have seen and experienced first hand how many within operate. They are the ones who have given the council employees a bad name, not the likes of myself, Sorry, I do know (as stated previously)there are many who put much into their work but I also know more.
Maybe you haven't come across it.

some poeople!!thats all i have to say!!granny this capt america is obviously somebody that benefits from the way the council work!!

Thanks Granny, right or wrong I do respect your point of view and your right to your opinion you know.

Ok, most council employees probably do give it their all but there are certainly a 'few' who are definitely on Easy Street, I know there are. I certainly am not deluded, just stating what I know.....

Yes there are people in all jobs (both public and private sector) who swing the lead. I've never understood this attitude because it's far more stressful to try to 'look busy' than to be busy.

I'm sure that's also the way with some council employees, but they will be in the minority?

I can't really get to the bottom of the job threads and topics on here. People are either accused of being unemployed and not wanting to work or being employed and not wanting to do their jobs?

Is the general consensus of opinion on Wiki that NOBODY in Wirral actually wants to do any work at all, either paid or unpaid?

Ditto Capt.

It seems to me that multiple acts of legislation have forced local and central government to expand their provision of services and to oversee and police that legislation.

Perhaps we need to step back and view all these rules and regulations which seem to grow like triffids and have a similar effect to strangulation of the whole country.

Well said Moonstar: you see the thing is both Local and central governments are Corprates. being a Corperate is a bussiness like BT, BP, Barclays Bank ect; all have Stake Holders (share holders)who elect members to represent them, just like both Local and central governments. All businesses need to grow, to do more business. BT, Barclays and the like do more business by getting more customers or developing other areas of revenue streams. So what about Local and central governments, well you hit the nail on the head; Multiple acts of legislation have forced local and central government to expand their provision of services and to oversee and police that legislation. That all doing more business.

answer this: Why does Wirral borough Council have a Corprate Plan?