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There are non so blind than those that don't wish to see, they are gradually getting wise in the USA, hopefully for them Trump will be removed from office via democracy, if such a thing exists anymore after so long of being in the domain of the rich and powerful, although Trump is fighting hard to outlaw postal voting, and Boris and co are doing similar here with ID required, its called manipulating the system for advantage.

@ cools you say obviously the farmer was not a lover of Boris, why? because he had the audacity to complain about trespass, I like my neighbours, however if one put up a tent on my land I wouldn't be pleased either, lets put the boot on the other foot hypothetically speaking replace Boris with Corbyn, not only would it be in the press but the Tories would making hay, as they did with Abbot and her drink, it appears trivia only applies when Boris is involved

You're correct but it is still a non-news story, no matter how it gets painted.

Is that right, Casper ? It wouldn't have anything to do with keeping track on all those immigrants you are opposed to and others who are not supposed to be elligible to vote.Or students who swap accomodation every year and move onto another with more or less people registered than the previous year, ore rentals where people fail to change their details quickly enough or even at all. Or the care homes where the residents aren;t capable of putting a cross in a box or even understand what its all about any longer. I know for a fact that my aunt never filled her postal vote when she was in a care home. Who did it for her, I wonder ?

Anyway, Casper, the rich and powerful are here to stay, so you might as well get used to it, whether they be PM's, Presidents, oil tycoons, founders of NGO's, Chairmen of Banks, and energy companies, Lords and Ladies, Footballers, or Meghan Markles of this world.

Now, I don;t want any more arguing from you.

Your quote " There are non so blind than those that don't wish to see" Probably depends on which side of the fence you're sitting, the view is always a bit different..
Trivia appears all the time these days, as headline news ! Mostly ignored by those who see it for what it is. i.e. rubbish, and who prefer to read news that has something important to say !

In this instance, a tent in a field in the middle of nowhere is NOT important but would appear to be a major catastrophe to those who like have something to bicker about.

It would be more beneficial to be talking about the present battle with the EU over fishing or how to stop the asylum seekers heading across the channel ! You know as well as I do, how busy and dangerous those waters are.
As this is a Coronavirus topic, I fail to see how Boris's family holiday managed to creep in.

Thanks Cools, always peeking in , but certain times one must intervene. You know how it is. These kids need to be kept under control.
Corovirus is taking control, I believe, and DDs post about murder and theft and arson and a couple of other things.. has passed me bye. Not sure what that garbled message was about.
US girls must stick together, and in a study by Liverpool University.. out of 94 countries that have so far faired better through Covid, 19 of them were run by women !
So , I suppose our students of today have made a point in favour of women.. ( must say it;s another bit of pointless non-news and a total waste of money. You , I and the garden post could have figured that out Cools and maybe Casper, but not sure !)

Mikeeb is in my gang.

Well right again granny, a tent in the middle of nowhere doesn't rate in importance, until of course it is identified with its keeper, renter, hirer, who hasnt been seen for months, who so it is said doesn't like working weekends ( or some might argue weekdays as well ) when as you quite rightly point out we have illegals flooding in from Europe, the fishing rights and brexit to deal with, yet the captain is missing from the bridge, playing wigwams with Carrie and not always in the field, perhaps he has been daydreaming looking across from Dover imagining he is waiting the onslaught of Nazi hordes and the part he would have played from under the blankets.

Back to coronavirus... I'd be interested in views on this.

Three statements from the gov.uk guidance are listed below. There seems to be a ‘no man’s land’ between 6 people and 30 people meeting indoors or outdoors. My knitting group would like to have a brief, socially distanced chat outdoors but up to a dozen people might turn up; would we have to limit it to two lots of 6, or would we be alright? We are mostly ladies of 'a certain age' so don't want to take risks. The statements seem to be contradictory, if up to 30 can meet.

You can: socialise outdoors in a group of up to 6 people from different households or up to 2 households (anyone in your support bubble counts as one household)

You should: only meet outdoors in a group of no more than 2 households or in a group of up to 6 people from different households

However: It’s against the law for gatherings of more than 30 people to take place in private homes (including gardens and other outdoor spaces), or in a public outdoors space, unless planned by an organisation in compliance with COVID-19 secure guidance.

Just have some minor exercises to do, to loosen up your knitting arms and then you can call it an approved sport of up to 30 people social distancing https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...d-return-of-outdoor-sport-and-recreation

EDIT: well that just changed, it specifically mentioned sports and exercise for up to 30 people outdoors, provided they were social distancing.

Dagnabbit, I thought we might have been onto something there for a moment - ah well, thanks for trying anyway!

You could call it an illegal rave, the police would attend but just observe, as it appears they don't want to upset anyone, sorry about the sarcasm, but the rules change that often that they have become irrelevant, the casual approach that has encouraged people out and about has now encouraged a disregard for any controls, mainly amongst the young, even some are saying the death rate hasn't rocketed even though the number of cases has risen, but given the young are better equipped physically to deal with it its not surprising, however they will pass it onto the parents and grandparents and vunerable family members and it is them that will pay the price, sorry to say the airy fairy control methods have caused more harm than good.

Now there's a mental image I can't unsee, Casper!! Better dig out the Ibuprofen, I think... The general confusion over what's allowed and what isn't just doesn't help anyone. The police are overstretched, shop staff are wary of enforcing mask wearing, you can go to the pub but can only meet up to six people outdoors, etc etc. Now the children are back in school and mixing in year bubbles or whatever, if their family groups mix that brings a lot more contacts into the equation. As for those who feel nervous or need to be shielding still, it's going to be a long lonely winter if all this keeps up. As for our lot, we'll just have to keep knitting!

The difference in schools is that more precautions are being taken than might be in a pub. There's more people wearing masks, staff ensuring distancing, hand gel being used far more.

Do you think the children should not be back in school , Greenwood as I'm not sure what you mean about 'their family groups' mixing. Are they family groups of other children you are talking about ?

e.g. Marys family visits Gemmas family for a cup of tea while the children play together .

We know the guidelines, and really it's up to people to follow them. Obviously there are going to be cases that fall through the net, nothing is 100% safe , but with regard to face masks, hand washing, distancing, as mentioned by Gibbo, we as individuals should all be doing that and using our own intergrity to avoid any situation that can put others in jeopardy.

The blasted airlines and tourism sector have done themselves no favours by droning on about all their concerns. Here we are again , heading backwards to planes being grounded, hotels closed, pubs closed,etc.

ANother possible factor if people do not know the guidllines any longer, could be due to the fact that the media channels have overdosed on negativity all along and a huge number of people are no longer watching the media news, and therefore have stuck two fingers up to the seriousness of it all .

I think it's very important for children of all ages to be back at school, for a host of reasons; it's up to everyone to accept the possibility of increased risks associated with that and behave accordingly. Your e.g. is what I meant. If Mary and Gemma each have a child in Infants and a child in Juniors, that's four schools involved. We can't all be hermits though, so must take individual responsibility for distancing, handwashing, wearing masks where appropriate.

Newest rules mean my friend can't see both her children, partners and grandson all at once any more, as that adds up to 7, so family get-togethers can't happen - unless there's a different rule for children under 11 or whatever! Clarity over rules is essential, but very hard to achieve, given so many different scenarios, levels of risk etc.

I remember during lockdown there were loads of kids gathering everywhere. At least if they're in school that's 8 hours of forced distancing in a cleaner environment.

Yes, better to be in a controlled environment for at least part of the time.