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cools #1077149 10th May 2020 8:40am
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You lot go on & on alot about government incompetence and this and that....why are dumb uk citiizens ever thinking gov ' gives a toss and knows what its doing ???
Airport lockdowns only just being thought of !! To little too late as usual.
This might be to get rid of cash payments / hide recession / destroy business / get rid of black market money / impose further powers etc or simply poor animal world getting us back in a good dose of karma.
As we gas pigs in slaughter houses were no better are we ?
Animals are treated terrible wherever u go in the globe.
Lets look at the facts ( i will round it up, the figures ) with 3 mil getn corona and say 300k dying of it , its only 10 per cent fatal.
Thats what banned david icke said months ago.
40k die of flu in uk every year.
Theres more goin on here . The manufactured problems itll cause are far more deeper.
No advice to the old on how to boost your immune system is there? Being old obese minority puts u at higher risk. Most people have had corona already . I think ive had it in feb.
The little hitlers tellin u to move round packed with idiots in masks shops are just silly and cops enjoying a third drop in crime says how as per usual how survile we are.
I dont know why we place so much importance on immunity injections as they are just as harmful as a virus in the first place. Look up phd doctor judy mikovits who went to jail in the usa for whistle blowing on big pharma for harming people with injections to supposedly help them.
Unless i really really need any drugs i dont take them.
And by the way no wonder care homes in uk are rife...alot are run for profit costly business with mim wage staff , some cost a grand a week , yet theres no on site staff 24 / 7 just an intercom. Sad

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Originally Posted by svenlock68
You lot go on & on alot about government incompetence and this and that....why are dumb uk citiizens ever thinking gov ' gives a toss and knows what its doing ???
Airport lockdowns only just being thought of !! To little too late as usual.

I for one do not blame the government but your statement above is saying it is the governments fault.

Originally Posted by svenlock68
40k die of flu in uk every year

I don't know where you get your figures but they are way off.
"Public Health England estimates that on average 17,000 people have died from the flu in England annually between 2014/15 and 2018/19. However, the yearly deaths vary widely from a high of 28,330 in 2014/15 to a low of 1,692 in 2018/19. Public Health England does not publish a mortality rate for the flu"
Now look at that high of 28,330, this coronavirus has overtook that number in just a few months.
In fact, the US has figures that have ranged from 12k to 61k deaths from the flu, and their number of deaths is now at 79,696 from coronavirus in just a few months.
https://fullfact.org/health/coronavirus-compare-influenza/

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No advice to the old on how to boost your immune system is there? Being old obese minority puts u at higher risk. Most people have had corona already . I think ive had it in feb.

I agree and I feel there needs to be more antibody tests so we can get a real number of confirmed cases, because a lot have self isolated with symptons and not been confirmed as having covid-19.

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Mikeebee....you dont get my point . We always look, like religion externally , towards obvious incompetent government for answers....they dont have any theyre idiots , always have been.
To overcome everything the answer doesnt lie with fools..Maybe we will now realise lookin to tory or labour for things to go right were actually wasting our time.
Uk is great at being hysterical about everything.
The average risk is v low to catch & die with covid.
Im sure in 2018 the same no in uk died of flu as of corona. 30k.
Give or take a few thousand.
Its 61 on the list of deaths / risks by virus in the world.
Being fat . Drinking. Smoking. Eating crap . Not exercising is far more bad for u....britain loves all of those.
Mark my words the financial effect will be longer / greater than mass of bodybags !

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I take it by calling Govt idiots that you have a higher opinion of yourself than them.. In which case why do you not believe that people with perhaps the same values as yourself may want to change the country for the better and enter into politics and governance.
I dont particularly like politics and perhaps the only reason i would think them fools is that they have actually gone into politics in the first place.

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Every death matters, they aren't just numbers. Comparing two types of death is questionable, saying that more people die of cancer than murder doesn't mean that murder doesn't matter.


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Originally Posted by fish5133
I take it by calling Govt idiots that you have a higher opinion of yourself than them.. In which case why do you not believe that people with perhaps the same values as yourself may want to change the country for the better and enter into politics and governance.
I dont particularly like politics and perhaps the only reason i would think them fools is that they have actually gone into politics in the first place.


No its the public ; after years and years of getting taxes raped / death of young sons & daughters in war we dont want / getting money robbed off them , their pensions / penalties and being sold off treaty wise to the EU & business wise all to the highest bidder all over the world and exporting hardly nothing and importing everything ; still vote as if that rigged " system " will change..... I AM smart enough to know it wont.

Ironically the covid mantra is " were all in this together "
Ha cameron told us that during the raping 10 years ago.

People here are just like the yanks ....dumb ill consumer robots stuck to phones & obessed with media & consumption. Sad.

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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
Every death matters, they aren't just numbers. Comparing two types of death is questionable, saying that more people die of cancer than murder doesn't mean that murder doesn't matter.



True but with say 4 mil gettin corona and only 40k dying its not the rabid virus its meant to be.
58 million people die each year.. on earth .
Wearing a mask round tesco wont make a jot of difference. Even virus " experts " agree.
If i was 75 with dirty hands 20 stone who eats sugar all day or got zero immune system id be scared but im not.
Your body is your own responsibility ..634 000 died in the uk in 2019 and 2.9 million in the usa....most wont be corona. Its just facts..
Weve got to calm down.

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Originally Posted by fish5133
I take it by calling Govt idiots that you have a higher opinion of yourself than them.. In which case why do you not believe that people with perhaps the same values as yourself may want to change the country for the better and enter into politics and governance.
I dont particularly like politics and perhaps the only reason i would think them fools is that they have actually gone into politics in the first place.


Just one more point....one of the worse things in our corrupt mp world is that people soon forget that mps jeered & clapped NHS not getting a rise in 2017 but their pay always goes up year on year.
60k to 80 k in last 10 yrs.
Yet they stand the hypocrites they are clapping on doorsteps now .
The FBU via firefighters have taken the gov ' to court for 5 years to get the pension theyve paid in for in a 30 yr career. Dont forget useless tosser may former PM boo- fest from the police as she changed their pay !

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Anyone watch Boris and his cowardly lion speech? gone the fluffy headed jolly japes, an attempt made with the hairstyle to give an air of authority, then the Churchill speech full of ambiguity, but basically throwing the onus onto the population, words like actively encouraged, stay safe, stay alert, what he really meant was go on take a chance nudge, nudge, wink wink this reeks of Dominic Cummings.

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Well in this instance I'm inclined to agree with you Casper. I think it's herd immunity with collateral damage.
It's such a hard situation because we and indeed the world needs to get going again.

I don't like this message he has given really but god what do you do , I don't think the kids should go back to school yet , at least leave it now till maybe September when we might have a clearer idea.
I won't be doing anything much different than I have but then I am of the older generation so I will have to make my own actions. . I wouldn't like to be Boris or anyone having to face these terrible decisions for everyone.

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What is the best way to ease the lockdown ? ' Stay at Home' didn't seem to have an impact on a huge number of the population as we well know. 'Don't socialise' , didn't have much impact either. People having friends around for drinky poos in their gardens ! Kids riding around on bikes as groups together. We've seen it all and we have been critical of such .

After 'Stay at Home ' and moving forward , what would be a better guidance ? We will still keep social distancing, we are mostly all aware of the implications should we not follow the social distancing. We will continue to wash hands, and now masks are available, I;m sure there will be a lot more people wearing them.

Any arrivals into the UK over the last 7/8 weeks would have been quarantined or self isolating along with the rest of the abiding population. To now reinforce quarantine for people arriving on flight arrivals, makes sense.

Not sure about those returning to work, but businesses , manufacturing will surely be making their own arrangements for those who return to work. Boris has not said people should go back to work, his words ' if it's possible' , and if people can work from home then continue to do so. .

Some school children might go back to school at the beginning of July .

So basically, apart from the incoming flight he's leaving the overall decisions to individuals, company and businesses.

He's being very much more cautious than some of the European countries .

I must admit, the different positions between England , Wales and Scotland are more confusing . Particularly if people are moving across borders,


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I'd go with the herd immunity policy which, for some reason, they have distanced themself from.
Let's get everything back up and running.

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In March a Great Nephew and Niece flew over from Norway to attend a Funeral, when they arrived at the airport in Norway they were checked for Temperature etc and told when they returned 3 days later they would have to go into quarantine for 14 days, when they arrived here they just walked in, no questions, no nothing, why didn't we enforce quarantine weeks ago?, bit late now.

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