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Lunchtime news North West , indicated that Merseyside police will be stopping and asking drivers of their intentions about this weekend.

I have no problem with that, it is sensible, proportionate, not threatening and not invading your privacy.

That's fair enough. The idea of searching trolleys is a bit extreme, unless they're trying to stop people buying a partysworth of alcohol or something and nip such events in the bud - I'd have thought they'd have enough on their plate without that, if the stats on number of gatherings in Greater Manchester already reported is anything to go by. What planet are these partygoers on, FFS?!*

Here he is, media was exaggerating a bit.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000h3nm/horizon-2020-coronavirus-special-part-1

Very informative programme from last night.

Proper empirical scientific stuff. None of your 5G conspiracy theorist crap.

Thanks for the tip - will catch it on iplayer. I see in the Radio Times that there's a second part coming up, too.

How many times have I heard "don't blame the Government", well I do, after all this is over there needs to be a public inquiry over the whole mismanagement of this crisis.

Despite having much more warning time than Italy, we have managed to achieve worst stats, 980 deaths in one day which is more than Italy or Spain had at their peak. And we aren't at our peak yet.

The Government was totally ill-prepared and acted far to late on everything they did. Yet again the Tories have caused significant numbers of people to die.

May they rot in hell!

Mistakes will not be forgotten and they will not be forgiven. All their 'long-term under-funding of Police, NHS, Social care etc' chickens will be coming home to roost.

The trouble is they will be forgotten, Matt Hancock on the news trying to blag his way out of the PPE crisis, blaming logistical problems the alleged millions of sets of PPE ready to roll, lets look at weight and volume for transportation, masks, gloves, aprons, it doesn't take a genius to work out, I remember being on the reserve list when the Falklands was on and extra vehicles were available from TA units and TA drivers to run stuff to Southhampton if they are that short, and to top that he is basically saying re - use some of the ppe stuff, if that doesn't stink of shortage what does? in the meantime those in need are left to there own devices, criminal that's all I can say, If it was a company the HSE would have stepped in, serious and imminent danger i.e the possible loss of life.

Yes and i blame the government, they had plenty of time to get this sorted, and sick and tied of hearing "Protect the NHS!" so there asking us because they can't do it! when you think of the Billions that gets pumped into the NHS and the number of deaths this country is having compared to Spain and Italy and they don't have an NHS, is appalling!
My neighbour works in an ambulance station and they can't get hold of PPE for crews who have to transport people with COVID 19, because the NHS won't release it.
I think back to a story i read at the end of November last year about a new kind of flu someone had caught in Thailand and thought that if that starts spreading the Worlds in for a heap of trouble?

Yes they do.

Spain has the 7th best healthcare system in the World "Sistema Nacional de Salud" SND

Italy has the 2nd best healthcare system in the World "Servizio Sanitario Nazionale" SSN

Just watched Pritti Patel, supposed apology, more like a disgusting display of indifference, also denying that any of the deaths of NHS staff are due to the shortage of PPE, a death toll of nearly 10,000 and god knows how many more, heartbreaking.

In Romania ten babies got infected in a maternity ward, caught from the staff who didn't wear masks (parents were tested clear). And now we have Matt Hancock dictating where NHS staff MUST NOT wear PPE, even the whole of Monty Python's satire couldn't get close to this.

And still the mainstream media are not holding the Government to account, more space given to Boris's recovery than the 10,000 deaths so far.

It is very very late but the Government could pull their finger out to limit even more unnecessary deaths.

Not sure what angle this is coming from. Yes, medical staff and nursing staff have fallen to this virus, which is very sad . On the other side the 10,000 deaths are not resulting from NHS staff not having the correct PPE.
It's not possible to issue everyone in the country with masks but w could make them ourselves if we want them. The public as you know, have been remiss in following guidelines , which has undoubtedly contributed to the high figures.
We also had the issue of China putting a ban on exports of PPE in March, which is where we had placed our orders (or some of them) . WHO have also been remiss in their guidelines, the orders we got for PPE from Europe arrived by sea into Liverpool because they could not come across land. That was another hold up and how long does it take to get supplies to fill 3,500 containers to be shipped from various countries in the EU.
Once arrived in the UK, contents of 3,500 containers had to be unloaded, passed by customs, collected by transporting companies, despatched to suppliers, stocks checked and counted, and then by transport companies delivered to the NHS for delivery. Then sent to all the hospitals, prisons , care homes throughout the UK.
How long do you think all that takes ?

10,000 deaths are not the result of lack of PPE.

You can't make effective masks yourself, an N95 mask is difficult to make without specialist materials, a IIR rated mask even more so. Italy was using respirators, I doubt if the NHS even has staff respirators in any noticeable numbers.

Without loads of aprons the cross contamination rates increase.

Without sufficient PPE less staff can be used, many people with CV weren't even tested, the hospitals sent them home.

What happened to our national reserves of emergency equipment, they know the annual flu can have epidemics.

There are more facts coming out. Some deaths are partly being caused by improper use of ventilators because most hospitals don't have a fully trained specialist and there has been too little research into the use of ventilators.

BCG is very effective in reducing CV rates but we stopped routinely giving that in 2005 and it starts wearing off after 15 years. We should be ramping up the production of the BCG vaccine as a backup plan.

Substantial numbers of the 10,000 deaths were caused by the slowness of the Government to react in a sensible manner. We had much more time than many other countries to prepare ourselves but Boris thought that waving his tongue would frighten the virus away.

The UK totally ignored WHO's recommendations both before and after the start of CV, you can't reverse blame on WHO. The Government even ignored its own recommendations let alone anybody else's.

The NHS is often called the most efficient health service in the world, that is because of what it achieves with so little money compared to other countries. Much of it is now contracted out so when you take into account the profits also being taken away by private companies then it has even less funds being used for health care.