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#957141 - 4th Aug 2015 3:19pm Advice on a faulty house alarm please
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veritas alarm,.....unset light on and tamper light on,renewed panel battery,and renewed whole bell box and battery as old bell box obserlete,the problem is tamper light won't go off and can not reset...any help or advice would be appreciated...thanks..ASAP please. I have tried every thing I can find on the net ,but no luck..cheers..

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#957143 - 4th Aug 2015 3:26pm Re: Advice on a faulty house alarm please [Re: spider]
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Is there a spring/ micro switch inside the bell box cover that isn't seated correctly, thus indicating the bell box housing has been tampered with?

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#957149 - 4th Aug 2015 4:03pm Re: Advice on a faulty house alarm please [Re: spider]
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It has. Micro switch with a spring loaded bar if you Know what I mean ? When the lid or front of the box is on it presses the bar on to the switch..can't go wrong realay..thanks for you input though..cheers

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#957153 - 4th Aug 2015 4:25pm Re: Advice on a faulty house alarm please [Re: spider]
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And there will be one on keypad or main unit as well check that they are working and they could go wrong by not working

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#957173 - 4th Aug 2015 6:12pm Re: Advice on a faulty house alarm please [Re: spider]
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I have checked the bell box and control box with the 12v battery in ( new one) they are ok,I'll check and look at the key pad..cheers

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#957178 - 4th Aug 2015 6:22pm Re: Advice on a faulty house alarm please [Re: spider]
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Originally Posted By: spider
It has. Micro switch with a spring loaded bar if you Know what I mean ? When the lid or front of the box is on it presses the bar on to the switch..can't go wrong realay..thanks for you input though..cheers


They've caught me out before, looks simple but sometimes its not pushed quite far enough, I check it with the box off and switch held down - same goes for control box.

Which model is the control box?
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#957179 - 4th Aug 2015 6:25pm Re: Advice on a faulty house alarm please [Re: spider]
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Just checked the key pad,that's ok..got me scratching big time now..thanks again for any help..

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#957181 - 4th Aug 2015 6:30pm Re: Advice on a faulty house alarm please [Re: spider]
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Hi again,that's what I done,I pushed the springs by hand and the Mrs done the key pad...but just the same..and the bell box..I'll have another go tomorrow from the start..one of the PIR,s is upside down ( all ways been like that') that would not make any difference would it ?. Cheers
The box has 5VA on the front that's all..


Edited by spider (4th Aug 2015 6:32pm)

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#957183 - 4th Aug 2015 6:36pm Re: Advice on a faulty house alarm please [Re: spider]
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Many PIR's aren't waterproof upside down as they have a vent gap/hole somewhere.

You need to put alarm in engineering mode and see what it thinks is wrong.
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#957190 - 4th Aug 2015 7:15pm Re: Advice on a faulty house alarm please [Re: spider]
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I'll put it the right way up and down load the manual about engineering mode?Ill have to have a look into that to see what you mean..thanks for the info though..

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#957231 - 4th Aug 2015 10:33pm Re: Advice on a faulty house alarm please [Re: spider]
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Some or even most pir have tamper switch too

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#957263 - 5th Aug 2015 9:20am Re: Advice on a faulty house alarm please [Re: spider]
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Hi, I have now put the PIR that was upside down the right way..I'm going to look at the bell box and see if anything is happening up there and check the main box with the battery in...the only PI.r I have touched is the one that was upside down so hopefully the tamper in that one is ok...thanks guys for trying to help me out here...cheers

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#957288 - 5th Aug 2015 1:44pm Re: Advice on a faulty house alarm please [Re: spider]
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Just disconnect the bell box from inside the control panel.

The tamper basically creates a loop, and if the wires are cut or crushed will cause the tamper to trigger.

in the past i have found the springs not seating probably causes a random fail.
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#957295 - 5th Aug 2015 5:22pm Re: Advice on a faulty house alarm please [Re: spider]
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Hi,tried the disconnect the bell,still the same.getting nothing from the bell or strobe either.Think I'll have to get someone in to look and maybe reset it or something. I,m just fed up with it now and want to get the ladders out of the hall so we can get upstairs..never mind, thanks to everyone for there help and things to try,been a bit of an eye opener but it's got me beat,just tried to change the batteries and ended up having to get a new bell from MAS Wallasey dock rd because the bell battery was obserlete they said..cheers everyone..Dave

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#957297 - 5th Aug 2015 6:13pm Re: Advice on a faulty house alarm please [Re: spider]
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If you bypass the tamper i.e. put a link across the tamper terminals in the main alarm box.
This will prove if the tamper loop wiring is at fault and not a panel problem.
There are usually little links like staples left in the bottom of the panel.
If tamper light clears then you can either go hunting for the fault of just leave the link in. In reality the chances of anyone going to the trouble of stripping down a bell box or pir etc in the chance of the tamper not being active is slim.

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