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I don't know for sure, and neither do you, but I wouldn't like to find out when it is too late and the damage is done, if there are no risks involved, why hasn't some independent regulated body come out and supported that claim? maybe because they have doubts, It appears that those with the most to gain from it are the main advocates of fracking.

You mention in your post that France are seeking an alternative to nuclear power, well wouldn't the obvious choice be fracking? by the way I haven't been swayed by a biased media or protesters, I can make up my own mind, I leave the swaying to the Daily Mail and Sun readers.

Are there any fault lines on the Wirral - fracking on these could be catastrophic.

Nobody is backtracking Gibbo, how can we when we haven't made up our minds yet? How can we when results have not been published yet. Did you read the link I put up ? I read yours.

After all these years of so called 'no problems'

April 2011
Quote:

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency is studying the safety of fracking. Congress is holding two hearings this week, in the House and in the Senate, to try to get some answers.

Improving our Scientific Understanding of Hydraulic Fracturing

April 2012 Memorandum of Agreement among the U.S. Departments of Energy and Interior and U.S. EPA about Collaboration on Unconventional Oil and Gas Research (PDF)


EPA's study of hydraulic fracturing and its potential impact on drinking water resources: EPA is undertaking a national study to understand the potential impacts of hydraulic fracturing on drinking water resources. The study will include a review of published literature, analysis of existing data, scenario evaluation and modeling, laboratory studies, and case studies. EPA expects to release a progress report in 2012 and final draft report for peer review and comment in 2014. Learn more about the study at epa.gov/hfstudy" unquote.........

Therefore the final draft for peer review has not been released yet.
So, after so many years of fracking in the US, they are still not satisfied.

By the way,I did live within an hour of Sizewell B in Suffolk and know what happened to the property prices. Also back in 1987 the chemicals used for crops spraying was halted, due to the water being contaminated and causing stomach cancer. That was an ongoing concern from 1958. Although this has nothing to do with fracking, the essence of undercover secrecy, concerns us all.

At this point in time I would like someone of professional and qualified experience to give us the facts concerning all aspects of this intention. Then and only then, will I be making my mind up. Thanks

Well I don't know how much use I can be, but I have been invited by the Council to comment on the most recent Climate Change Strategy, I know it isn't directly related to Fracking but it might provide a voice.

Is that The Wirral Climate Change Group?

Should be very interesting Sallybear. You could maybe mention that garden waste, buried into landfill produces large amounts of methane, a powerful greenhouse gas that contributes to global warming.
Good luck, hope it goes well.

Has anyone just viewed 'Inside Out' about fracking in Lancashire? Just shows what comes to light.. the longer we wait.

Nice piece of selective reporting from the BBC today:

Fracking sites announced by Cuadrilla in Lancashire



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-26032285


No, it has to re-apply for permission as permits expire. As I've already said, this site has been operating since 1993, way back under British Gas.

Lets see if the protestors rock up to the site. They'll be in for a shock when they try and block lorries as there won't be any!

Cluff natural resources wants to extract gas using a process known as gasification. It involves drilling a deep hole and igniting the coal before piping the gas to the surface.
The firm has been awarded a licence for the Loughor and Dee Estuaries. Loughor 42sq.KM and the Dee Estuary off the North Wales coast 62sqKM.
Could this be the reason? the "subsea high voltage direct current system"went right up the middle of Wirral and around the estuary to North Wales.

The cable comes up mid Wirral due to the moving sandbanks in the Dee and they are afraid the cable could get damaged, as far as damage is concerned I don't think they could do any more damage to the Dee with all those horrible windmills out to sea, lets get frackin in Wirral and stop messing about, we need the energy produced if we are going to keep the doors open to the rest of the world wanting to get their pot of gold from our streets by immigrating here .

Have a look on this link showing fracking across USA.

Click on the skull and crossbones. Lots of negative experiences reported.

Then be confident to tell us that happenings like that could not happen here, and why they could not happen here in the UK.


http://earthjustice.org/features/campaigns/fracking-across-the-united-states

OK all very well, but having clicked on a bunch of the skulls, it looks like a lot of them aren't necessarily Fracking-related incidents at all... Things like a gas pipeline explosion, or 'escaping gas' or even an oil tank catching fire... Not saying that these aren't without their own concerns, but you can't blame them all on fracking, per se (gas escapes / fires can occur at any natural oil or gas well).

When they add the positive experiences as well as the negative experiences then maybe the link would become worthwhile, they won't, so I won't even bother looking at a onesided none argument.

The cable is one of the words longest undersea power cables running from Scotland down to Wales via the Irish Sea. This is to provide US with renewable energy (cough).It will also run in reverse "if needed".We have gas coal and wind in abundance and I think the transport for it will be shaped like a power station.
Also,the long term flood risk management for this estuary ,as with others in the North West may change if proposals for a tidal power barrages are progressed.(long term vision for the Dee, draft recommendations)0/100 years.2010.

Think hell would have to be frozen over before the green nutters and the rest gloabal warming/climate/freezing/flooding/wrong snow/don't cut that tree down loons would allow a tidal barrage in the Dee, look at the problems they are having with trying to get a Severn barrage.

We're not in the USA though. What's under the ground here isn't the same as in the USA.

Fracking techniques, just like mining, are different in the USA.

That link is dated 2011.

You need to stop comparing the UK with the USA, there's little in common.

If you want to compare sites then take the Elswick one. The one operating in sandstone (which is what Wirral sits on), and has been operating without incident since 1993. Where were the protesters back then when British Gas was operating it?

But sadly, that's the only weapon anti-fracking campaigners have - lies.

Remember this link that was posted:

http://frack-off.org.uk/why-does-cuadrilla-own-an-old-gas-well-near-elswick-in-lancashire/

with fracking sites dotted around our green and pleasant land.

When you look at the real picture you find not only the scale is completely wrong (the land the sites are on is hundreds of times bigger), but "The Jonah Field is a tight gas (i.e. sandstone) field developed in the early 1990s. That is before the technology to drill horizontal wells had been developed, so of course there are a lot of wells. Shale gas in the UK would look nothing like the Jonah field."

http://frackland.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/cuadrilla-elswick-and-some-spectacular.html

It was funny watching the protester squirming on the local news last night. She wouldn't accept that most of the locals in Lancashire didn't really care - other than a concern for more traffic in the area - and she kept banging on that people would be against fracking if they saw the evidence and proof.

She was given a spot on television, why didn't she have any with her?