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AlexB #584340 18th Sep 2011 3:53am
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Originally Posted by AlexB
Originally Posted by Silverback


The maximum speed limit is 70 in this country, if the need to learn how to control their vehicles at speeds in excess of this they should do it off road, making race tracks the ideal places, the so called traffic can be made up of other police vehicles so it is safely controlled.


When your Nan dies because they got there 20 seconds too late, you'll think limiting emergency services to the 'speed limit' is fcuking ridiculous.
True. But no-one said that. Learn to read. What was said was that TRAINING at high speed on public roads would not be right or proper - not responding to a REAL emergency. Frankly I rather doubt that this WAS training... if as stated they were really going that fast. Police are not exempt from speed laws.

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Originally Posted by CVCVCV
Police are not exempt from speed laws.


"By virtue of Section 87 Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 (as amended by Section 19 Road Safety Act 2006),

(1) No statutory provision imposing a speed limit on motor vehicles shall apply to any vehicle on an occasion when–

(a) it is being used for fire and rescue authority purposes or for or in connection with the exercise of any function of a relevant authority as defined in section 6 of the Fire (Scotland) Act 2005, for Ambulance purposes or for Police or Serious Organised Crime Agency purposes,(b) it is being used for other prescribed purposes in such circumstances as may be prescribed, or
(c) it is being used for training persons to drive vehicles for use for any of the purposes mentioned in paragraph (a) or (b) above, if the observance of that provision would be likely to hinder the use of the vehicle for the purpose for which it was being used on that occasion."

It seems to me totally reasonable that the emergency services should be allowed to train under realistic conditions. This includes negotiating whatever numpties are using the roads at the time.


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Oh I see. Law amended in 2006. Still not in favour though, I seriously do not like the idea of public roads being used for high speed training. Only a matter of time before someone "cops" it. Then I am pretty sure it will turn out to have been the "numpty"'s fault. "Should have got out of the way"... Justifiable though I am sure some you will say, got to make their training "realistic". I guess that then, the "what if it was your child" argument wouldn't apply... yeah right.

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I've seen them in big 8 bike convoys a few times on the way to formby, not sure of the name of the dual caridgeway its on but I assume they are just practicing for convoys etc.


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Originally Posted by CVCVCV
Oh I see. Law amended in 2006. Still not in favour though, I seriously do not like the idea of public roads being used for high speed training. Only a matter of time before someone "cops" it. Then I am pretty sure it will turn out to have been the "numpty"'s fault. "Should have got out of the way"... Justifiable though I am sure some you will say, got to make their training "realistic". I guess that then, the "what if it was your child" argument wouldn't apply... yeah right.


High speed training must of been around a long time and i can't recall anyone killed through it. Plus what happens if they're on a real shout and crash due to lack of training?

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Originally Posted by davaw1
Originally Posted by CVCVCV
Oh I see. Law amended in 2006. Still not in favour though, I seriously do not like the idea of public roads being used for high speed training. Only a matter of time before someone "cops" it. Then I am pretty sure it will turn out to have been the "numpty"'s fault. "Should have got out of the way"... Justifiable though I am sure some you will say, got to make their training "realistic". I guess that then, the "what if it was your child" argument wouldn't apply... yeah right.


High speed training must of been around a long time and i can't recall anyone killed through it. Plus what happens if they're on a real shout and crash due to lack of training?


load of bollocks if you ask me, whats the training for?
anyone with a brain half the size of an egg knows it`s common knowledge to "be aware at all times" or they shouldn`t be on the road at all.

The police have been in real crashes before and they get treated the same as anyone else would be, they don`t get any special treatment, after all, they are human wink


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Actually, there has been at least one death during high-speed training...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/7657421.stm

However.... they were clearly exceeding training limits... I wouldn't say that training should be stopped - rather that it needs to be planned well, and kept under control... Indeed, for motorbikes, it's extremely important to keep skills current - I know when I've had a couple of weeks break from mine, I feel rusty and need a couple of hours just to bed back in....

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The part I don't like is the "self-training" whereby any police motorist can just go zooming around at any time when they are on duty and call it training.

It should at least be controlled, authorised and monitored, with tetra at least they can now see what they are actually doing.


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If a police car or bike goes through a red light and is caught on camera.It has to be logged along with the job number it is attending .
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Originally Posted by paranoidballoon
All the stuff about the Sargent's chips going cold is a load of bunk.


Soooo true mate, no excuses now they got microwaves at the station!! whistle


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