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Re "If we accept that Landican is British/Irish, as is Arrowe and Noctorum, and also Tranmere as in 'Tramore' (Irish: Trá Mhór, meaning big strand or beach)) which is a town in County Waterford, Eirie, then it would make sense to include Prenton as part of the cluster of British-Irish place names on Wirral - many of which have become overwritten or conflated by the later Anglian and Norse-Irish ccupations (mid 7th century Anglian and early 10th century Norse)."

The late 4th century (Roman period)Irish invaders of Gwynedd included the Déisi meaning 'Vassals or subjects' who were expelled from the area of modern County Waterford before settling in Britain (cf the expulsion of Ingimund and his Norse in the 10th century and their subsequent settlement on Wirral and in Lancashire). Its of note that there's a 'Tramore' (Irish: Trá Mhór) - see above in Waterford where the Déisi came from. If this is the origin of the Tranmere placename then it supports the hypothesis that there was a strident and long standing Irish Celtic colony on Wirral some 400 to 500 ywears before the Norse invasion and settlement in the 10th century.

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I heard Tranmere was of Viking Descent from the word Trani-melr which means 'Cranebird Sandbank' or 'Sandbank of the Cranebirds'

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Yes, you'll hear that, you'll also hear that it could be Welsh as in: 'Tre yn Moel' meaning 'Tre' 'Village' and 'yn Moel' meaning on a hill. If it is Norse then it comes from the Nores-Irish settlement of 902 AD. If its Old Irish, then it likely comes from the Hibernian settlements at the end of the fourth and early fith centuries - 5 or 6 hundred years earlier.

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hello mr tom stevens .been offline for a couple of days so have not had a chance to read any more of this thread,very interesting read,keep going,sorry about the jibe about tractor lines on page one of this thread and sorry if you were offended,did not mean to,it was just that the original post made no sense and from the title of the post,it sounded like you were a nutter looking for an alien landing site,now we can all see that you are not..lol

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Hi phalinmegob, no worries, I can see what you might have thought that. I can promise that I'm not looking for alien landing strips, but I do appreciate help - and apologies if my posts are a bit rushed and sometimes incoherent. The info is spread about a bit but hopefully its some food for thought.

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offtopicI believe in aliens so why not a landing strip or two. If The Wirral is, if I interpret your posts correctly, practically the root of English civilisation, ( do I interpret correctly?) then where better to find some????

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I'm with Croc- Speech! Speech! Pay you in pints....or marinaded BBQ food?

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I'm with Croc- Speech! Speech! Pay you in pints....or marinaded BBQ food?

OI!!! I do the marinated BBQ food.

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Don't want to be a party pooper but I'm a non-drinking, non smoking lapsed Buddhist, vegetarian which made for an interesting life belive it or not in Merseyside police in 1974-1987 (the 'Life on Mars'/Ashes to Ashes era) - sorry that's as close as I get to aliens wink

Re Wirral, I draw on Francis W Tudsbery, Roger Sherman Loomis and Peter Beresford Ellis re Battle of Brunanburgh, Celtic mythology and history, and the struggle between Celt and Saxon. I do think that Wirral's antiquity is overlooked other than the ubiquitous Vikings, but we only have tio consider the recent discoveries from the Roman period at Chester to realise that there's much, much more to it. This taken with the folk lore and overwritten place names and we have some very interesting lines for enquiry. What we coulddo with now is some freah arachaeology. Maybe, the current and ongoing finds at Woodchurch will help with this.

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In one Wirral book it was said a squirrel could cross Wirral by tree without once touching the ground.
So these 4th century folks were they hunter/gatherers who eventually cleared trees to become farmers
What always fascinates me is where they got there water from
Are there any streams/rivers still here today that were there at that time

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Hi Derek,

The hunter-gatherers were a long time before the Hibernian invasion at the end of the Roman period. Most of the Wirral's drainage channels: rivers Birket, Fender etc have all been there since the end of the last ice-age. There are plenty of wells situated at Wirral settlements. A great deal of the ponds are medieval and are marl-pits subsequently filled by water and become ponds useful for livestock.

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I was sure there was another topic on Landican, but I'm unable to find it. The search option seems to have disappeared.

Anyway, I've just unearthed a book on Domesday, and the pictures will give you the location, Latin, and English translation , so there's no need for me to say any more, apart from the fact that looking up the translation of 'Landechene' comes 'Landing' from German !
That's Interesting and maybe someone can explain more.
Number 8 is nearer to Woodchurch than the present day Landican and has a Priest. (Just been gardening, hence the grubby nails :))

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