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Sorry - Rules are Rules

And its about time someone done this instead of namby pamby do gooders talking about their darling sons!

Matt - Wirral stopped the uniform grants this year and it was worth the princely sum of £34.00 per child! That wouldn't cover my sons blazer for Pensby.

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Black trainers are not classed as 'shoes' - how can an adult not make that basic distinction. However, the kids should not have been sent home - the school has a 'duty of care' and must be seen as responsible. It would have been better to inform the parents that their footwear was unsuitable and needed to be plain black shoes and follow this up the next day in school - then take further action. Kids do not need to show off their branded designer shoes - they are there to learn - they need to show off their educational attainment.

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In my day in my school they never sent a pupil home, they made them sit on a chair in the entrance hall. they sat there all the school day, day after day until they put right what they had wronged. Normally this punishment was for wrong dress code or having long hair, mine was for having long sideburns, after 2 days i soon shaved them off. The boredom of sitting there, not being able to talk to anyone, could only move for the toilet, and being on full display of everyone in the school was a lot worse than being sent home. We soon towed the line.


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Originally Posted by cathie
My son in Park High was given a letter stating his shoes (plain black Lacoste, small alligator on side which is covered by his school pants)were not appropriate attire and to wear plain black shoes. He won't wear shoes and now goes to school in £7.50 black pumps haha smile


But will you go haha when he starts flouting and skirting round your home rules when he is a little older. It's you who's teaching him that. I explained to my kids that we had rules everywhere so everyone was treated the same and that without rules the household woudln't work properly, even me and the missus lived by rules so as to live together in harmony. If you don't have some rules and order then anarchy rules and who wants that sort of existance.


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But will you go haha when he starts flouting and skirting round your home rules when he is a little older. It's you who's teaching him that. I explained to my kids that we had rules everywhere so everyone was treated the same and that without rules the household woudln't work properly, even me and the missus lived by rules so as to live together in harmony. If you don't have some rules and order then anarchy rules and who wants that sort of existance.


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But will you go haha when he starts flouting and skirting round your home rules when he is a little older. It's you who's teaching him that. I explained to my kids that we had rules everywhere so everyone was treated the same and that without rules the household woudln't work properly, even me and the missus lived by rules so as to live together in harmony. If you don't have some rules and order then anarchy rules and who wants that sort of existance.


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Sense withthat..................Where's Harmony ?


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im sorry its the 21st century who cares.... I wore trainers all the time i hate shoes.. It shouldnt matter what you wear as long as you goto school ?


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But single mum Joanne Kaye said she was furious her two sons were sent home to Norris Green after turning up for school wearing black trainers with a silver Nike tick logo.


Let me explain to you, your kids got sent home because you sent the little horrors off to school in TRAINERS and not SHOES. You would probably pack off your feral children to war in a SHELL SUIT you soft BINT.


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i dont set out to be intentionally argumentative with schools BUT they are too full of their own self importance and some rules are meant to be broken , there are too many rules and too many things are criminally offensive now when they wouldnt have been 30 yrs ago, where has common sense gone?

I have bought clarks shoes at 50 pounds a pair in the past which have looked like crap after one term, and nike black trainers which looked good as new same price after a whole year

its a bit liek the warning your child cannot bring peanut butter to school because someone is allergic, but my child ISNT allergic/doesnt share their sandwiches/what happened to the school dinner ladies?

the day the school pays for my kids shoes, or pays my food bill at sainsburys is the day they can dictate to me what i can and cannot spend my money on, in the meantime they can all shut their gobs

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I agree, it's all down to jobsworths in local authorities. It only took one single case of suing someone and it's snowballed into this horrible mess.
I do think that parents have got their priorities mixed up though. They seem to be doing things 'on principle', like not being able to afford shoes and being made to buy them, they seem to be somewhat offended by this. You've been able to buy cheap Chinese made shoes for the past three or four decades now, I don't see price as a problem.


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Originally Posted by cazpumpkin
i dont set out to be intentionally argumentative with schools BUT they are too full of their own self importance and some rules are meant to be broken , there are too many rules and too many things are criminally offensive now when they wouldnt have been 30 yrs ago, where has common sense gone?

I have bought clarks shoes at 50 pounds a pair in the past which have looked like crap after one term, and nike black trainers which looked good as new same price after a whole year

its a bit liek the warning your child cannot bring peanut butter to school because someone is allergic, but my child ISNT allergic/doesnt share their sandwiches/what happened to the school dinner ladies?

the day the school pays for my kids shoes, or pays my food bill at sainsburys is the day they can dictate to me what i can and cannot spend my money on, in the meantime they can all shut their gobs

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Maybe its about time all school uniforms were exactly the same throughout the whole country only to be distinguished by badge and tie, and same shoes as well. That way it could be sold by one schools organisation on a none profit making scheme. Everyone looks the same, every parent pays the same, that way with no profiteering i bet you would get the whole lot, including decent shoes for less than a blazer. Whats the point in one school having a blue blazer and an other one red, anyway.


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understand where your coming from. must point out that even the hitler youth had vareations in there uniform. then again chareman mou had no messing i believe. I DO BELIEVE IN SCHOOL UNIFORMS FOR SCHOOL CHILDREN AND FOR STRICT ENFORCEMENT IN THE BEEN WORN

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The point of a uniform is / was that you could show that you were proud to me a member of your school. You belonged to your school as you belong to your football team.
As humans we are social creatures and need to belong to groups and interact with each other.
The gangs that roam our street are just a feral version of the social group. The Nikes, hoodies and those stupid fecking jeans with the crotch rounds the knees are nothing more than the uniform of that gang.
The kids says they are kicking back against the shoe / uniform rule because they don't all want to look the same. That's cr@p as that's exactly what they do - they all look the same in their hoodies, Nikes etc.
They don't want to wear the school uniform because it is not decided by themselves - well that is tough.
The shoe rule is just one part of the procedings - there are rules regarding hair colour / length, body piercings - all need to be adhered to.
When the kids leave school and start work (those lucky enough to) will find there are rules in the work place - do you fancy being served your Maccy D's by some punk with infected piercings in his face, or finding his nose stud in your chips?? I bloody don't!

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I don't understand the parents - are they not proud that their children are looking smart and starting to become adults? It is good for the children - proud in their appearance, perhaps a rise in their confidence. What message is the parents sending out saying that they want their children to be dressed different from others - do they want them to look 'hard', stand out from the crowd and be bullied? Children should be given a good start in secondary education, it leads onto much better things in their future. Kids cannot think too much adhead of their lives, but the parents can. Perhaps their children would like to be dressed like everyone else but will wear what they are given just to please their parents!

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