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Methinks you should split the cost between the families of those responsible!

I believe the problem will be that those billed are homeOWNERS and not tenants - they have different responsibilities when it comes to repairs etc. It will (or should) all be in the leasehold from when they bought their property. Not sure if some insurance companies will pay out to be honest - but it's worth a try.

Any homeOWNERS on here - word of advice...check your leasehold/freehold details for what YOU are responsible for. It usually includes things like walls, fencing, drains, sewage etc. Best to be safe than sorry.

Come on guys you cant blame the parents for what the kids did.

I was a git when i was a kid and my mum and dad were stuck up!

Absolute bollocks

Could the homeowners argue that the damage that occurred after the police arrived (or even reported to police) cannot be billed to them on the grounds they are paying the council/police to prevent the damage.

The council/police can't take your money then blame you for their incompetance in providing the service you payed them for.

Thats a very good point DD

Makes sence, but i think they would come up with some excuse to get by the responsibility.

Standard practice it may be but what does the law have to say about it ? I can not believe this is legal but if it is I demand the right to defend me, mine and my property by whatever means necessary.

Oh and ...how is it that any householder is liable for cleaning up the street ? I would have thought that such is technically outside the boundaries of their property and - under any other circumstances that I am aware of - not the householders responsibility ?

I find this so bizarre. Are we headed to the day where if a knife is stolen from your kitchen and used to stab someone that it is ultimately YOUR responsibility to pay any damages to the victim or even serve a prison sentence ? Since you owned the knife in the first place you should have made sure you didnt get burgled... ?

Where does it all end ? Personal responsibility has died a death in this gods-forsaken country and the pass-the-buck mentality is going to some frankly scary places. It really has to stop.

Ste - Yes I can blame the parents.
Yes I agree that parents canot watch over their kids 100% of the time. But...............
If you had ended up in court as a kid, I'm guessing you would have shown remorse for the trouble that you had caused and fear for the trouble you were going to get off your parents.
These kids have shown no respect for anyone else or their property - that was shown by their reaction to their sentence. It's that attitude the is shown / taught by parents to their children.

got to agree with you there softy.

Soz ste old buddy

I suppose its the easy way out blaming the parents or parent for a child turning out a sod, but how do you explain one child going astray and the other two or three children in the family being decent and upright citizens. I have to say i've come across many a family like that in my time and there is no way i would bring blame on the parents then.

Council again!!!

FAIL !!!!

DD - I very much doubt it. You can hardly blame the Police or the Council for what these 2 did.

Jubbly - that will be the law I'm afraid, not just standard practice. If it's in your leasehold deeds for your property then it is set in stone. That's why not long ago a homeowner was sued when their wall fell on a child. It's just the way it is.

I personally don't think it SHOULD be the homeowners that pay for the clean up.

I appreciate what you are saying but I do not accept the analogy given. A wall falling on the child would be the responsibility of the householder given a failure to maintain THEIR property. Since the roof tiles were literally ripped off and thrown around the street by someone else the question of liability is debatable. I would be very surprised if the deeds to my house contained precise instructions regarding the eventuality of criminal damage by a third party, irrespective of seperate insurance policies.

Where the householder failed to maintain the wall and it fell on a child then yes it is irrefutably the householders responsibility given that it is in fact part of their property.

Maintenance of the property was not a factor here. The householder could not reasonably be expected ( and I strongly suspect is not legally obligated) to anticipate and prevent someone climbing onto their property, ripping it to pieces then throwing it around the street.

In any event it clearly needs full clarification. If it IS legal I want to know HOW exactly and then full details of what I am supposed to ( or legally allowed to) do to prevent the same thing happening to me.

I am sick of bearing the legal, financial and moral responsibility of those raised and frankly encouraged to behave like animals. It is long since time to hand such right back at them and enforce it if necessary.

I agree with you 100% Jubbly!! Don't shoot the messenger I didn't write the Laws.

All I can suggest is that you check your deeds and insurance policy small print.

Yikes, PaganJay, I re-read my post and accept I came across as having a personal pedantic rant at you in particular there. That is not what I intended at all. Please accept my apologies

Hey Jubbly - no need to apologise Always nice to see passion as opposed to apathy

I believe that this is a sign of the times we live in. Because we have inherited this 'someone must be to blame and therefore pay' attitude from the states - the only winner is ever the insurance company.

Let me say that I do not agree with these householders having to pay but..............
The council are in a no win situation as if they foot the bill there are those who will say that is wrong. The council will claim off their insurers who will say 'we're not paying out, it's wasn't your fault. If the council claim off no one then we all end up paying for it in with our council tax. It is possible that the householders insurance won't agree to pay out either without trying to claim from the boys or their parents.
The guys that will loose out will be the guys who don't have any insurance the will either have to pay out or fight their own corner.
What would be really great would be the immediate neighbours holdimg some kind of fund raising to get the money together which would also show a united front against the boys involved.

Sorry for the ramble!