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cools #1076690 16th Apr 2020 2:36pm
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Heartfelt apologies after the event doesn't change the way people think when they made these decisions, this wasn't just a mistake it was a prolonged strategy at a very critical time for Italy.

The salt was rubbed in the wound when France gave PPE away to other countries.


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After weeks of blagging Matt Hancock has now come clean, after being challenged about the shortage and reuse of PPE, his latest is I wish I had a magic wand or that it would fall from the sky, but there is a world shortage, I think he missed the tough shit bit out.

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Just saw on another forumn. Apparently a scam is going round whereby you get a text message saying you have been in contact with a person who has Covid-19 and telling you to click , DONT! I know we all pretty clued up on these scams but thought it was worth putting on just in case.

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Some sick b'tards around.

Just heard that one of my relations went to India before lockdown here in UK. He's with his mother and 10 yr old daughter. They are stuck out there in a camp and the 10yr old has the job every morning of cutting cardboard plates and taking food out to the beggars on the streets outside the camp ! Don't know when they will get home.


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There are Wirral Schools and businesses making face shields and other PPE. Saint Anselm's, Upton Hall, spring to mind but I have come across a few others as well.


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Even at this late stage, the Government need to pull their finger out or step aside. Their handling of this crisis is appalling and showing no improvement, do we trust them to remove the lockdown in an appropriate manner?

Boris has got away with big mistakes in the past with his bumbling fool character, this is even more serious, he has to be held to account this time.

Hancock seems to alternate good days and bad days, one day he makes sense, the next day he looses the plot.

Gove is in his usual self-preservation mode, whether that is burying his head in the sand or blaming someone else.

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There's a real danger that the left will drag Britain back to the 1970s, with secure well-paid jobs, ample housing, properly-funded NHS and social care, free tuition, student grants, final salary pensions, affordable rail fares and fabulous films and music. David Osland 2025

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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
Even at this late stage, the Government need to pull their finger out or step aside. Their handling of this crisis is appalling and showing no improvement, do we trust them to remove the lockdown in an appropriate manner?

Boris has got away with big mistakes in the past with his bumbling fool character, this is even more serious, he has to be held to account this time.

Hancock seems to alternate good days and bad days, one day he makes sense, the next day he looses the plot.

Gove is in his usual self-preservation mode, whether that is burying his head in the sand or blaming someone else.


Boris appears to be having a long convalescence, no doubt waiting for a breakthrough or at least some good news so he can appear like the good fairy, a shake of his touseled blond head and all will be well, the stooges will be blamed for all the bungling.

As for the PPE debacle, if you go to the supermarket late the shelves will be empty and you must queue for what is left.

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Various reports of people entering the country without any checks on their health whatsoever, I am beginning to notice more people, gathering in groups especially the younger ones, police being assaulted for breaking up parties, if it continues any advantage will be lost, a decision needs to be made, toughen up the penalties for those that don't comply or enforce a lock down, at the moment the governments bucket of measures is leaking like the proverbial sieve.

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Various reports are outlining President Trumps new approach. Please don't panic buy Dettol , syringes and sunlamps .

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52407177

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US President Donald Trump has been lambasted by the medical community after suggesting research into whether coronavirus might be treated by injecting disinfectant into the body

While noting the research should be treated with caution, Mr Trump suggested further research in that area.

"So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous - whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light," the president said, turning to Dr Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus response co-ordinator, "and I think you said that hasn't been checked but you're going to test it.

"And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside of the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you're going to test that too. Sounds interesting," the president continued.

"And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?

"So it'd be interesting to check that."

Pointing to his head, Mr Trump went on: "I'm not a doctor. But I'm, like, a person that has a good you-know-what."


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Technically he is correct on both counts although most certainly not what he was thinking.

A disinfectant that you put in your body is called medicine (not Detol). Its just a matter of finding the correct chemical that dis-infects.

Light is used for certain conditions often in the form of ultra-violet or laser.


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I see Dominic Cummings has re entered the arena, his presence has been criticised after attending a meeting of top scientists, not in his remit as a political adviser, a government spokesman has said that public confidence in the media has collapsed because of these non stories, what he meant was, caught out again, we should be able to lie without every little porky being broadcast, Cummings might make a suggestion on Trumps pearls of wisdom, lets inject them with???? and end the problem, and get the economy back on its feet, easy peasy.

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Of course... all negative point scoring . Who gives a shit ?


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Of course... all negative point scoring . Who gives a shit ? [/quote

Well there is nothing positive to celebrate is there granny? turned down help from the EU, first it was a political decision then it wasn't, then it was a missed communication, we have small companies dotted around the UK that have been producing PPE, they have been trying to get an answer from government for over 3 weeks, telephone email no response, so much so they have had to stop manufacturing, we now have the testing fiasco, death toll still rising daily, testing was the answer in the early stages as proved in other countries with lower death rates, all in all we are faring badly compared to other countries, take Greece as an example, the cries of get it done are sounding rather hollow now, its not about point scoring, its looking to this government to be straight with us, and by their attempts to discredit the media, they open themselves up to negative criticism

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Everything our Government does is affecting whether people live or die - that is not political point scoring, it is more about criminal behaviour.

This Government is costing us lives, we have the highest number of new deaths in the world today beating even the USA despite them being five times bigger than us. We have the second highest number of new infections beaten only by Russia (but they are about twice as big as us).

Even the EU with its poor track record is condemning the UK for our very poor control of Coronavirus.

Dominic Cummings is a strategist, he has no science or medical training. He has never been a member of the Conservative party, he is not a politician, his only role and responsibility is his own career and that is his priority. Dominic is answerable only to Dominic.

It is now nearly two weeks since Boris spoke publicly having just left hospital when he had no apparent speaking or breathing difficulties.

The reason Boris is out the public eye is the same reason he disappeared before the election, Cummings doesn't trust Boris to keep to the strategic line whenever he speaks publicly.

The Conservative Party realise there could be a lot of fallout from the mistakes and lies that have happened, if that lands on Boris it could lead to a general election. For once, Boris is not being offered as the bumbling sacrificial lamb.


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