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I think understandable passion against these really nasty sex crimes in the UK can make us somewhat suspicious and intolerant about any statement that even vaguely could be interpreted to be mitigating the actions of the perpetrators (who make my blood boil too) -- however I have to disagree with granny, cools and Dilly this time, Ex has a very forthright style of writing, but I honestly dont see that he has either suggested that its the girls' own fault, or that they should change their garb, or indeed , that he thinks the crime is acceptable. Think he's getting a bit of a rough ride on this one, for just stating facts .
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All I can say to that Venice is you must be reading it differently to us. Ex comes across as a very knowledgeable and intelligent person and maybe should have worded it in a different way so as to not looking like he put part or all the blame on the victims. Maybe it would have even have been better if he had not mentioned the way in which the victims dressed as being part of the problem.
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I think understandable passion against these really nasty sex crimes in the UK can make us somewhat suspicious and intolerant about any statement that even vaguely could be interpreted to be mitigating the actions of the perpetrators (who make my blood boil too) -- however I have to disagree with granny, cools and Dilly this time, Ex has a very forthright style of writing, but I honestly dont see that he has either suggested that its the girls' own fault, or that they should change their garb, or indeed , that he thinks the crime is acceptable. Think he's getting a bit of a rough ride on this one, for just stating facts .
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All I can say to that Venice is you must be reading it differently to us. Of course Dilly,thats it exactly. Written statements are highly interpretable , and its the reader's frame of mind, that shapes the interpretation. Thats what Im saying, you are so freshly outraged (and rightly so) that your strength of passion against such a disgusting crime is automatically biasing what you read into Ex's words. Like a red mist of anger distorts how we might feel about something. Same with granny and cools Im sure - its natural to not want there to be any hiding place for these criminals so anything which even smells of an understanding or explanation about the behaviour, is snatched away and tossed out the window as mitigation.
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Having problems of thinking of something to say yourself rude ? Not like you, you are normally so vocal .
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I was not going to comment any further on this thread because I think Ex had a good fishing day yesterday reeling us in!!! Think he enjoys posting something that winds people up then sits back and watch us rise to it!!! He said himself he finds it amusing....just think if he had said that and someone knew one of these victims how it would be taken. We all know and are shocked at some young people's dress and actions but that does not give anyone carte blanche to do what these horrible men did.
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I think one of the problems is that the way some indigenous girls dress and behave - compared to the way Islamic girls do - has given Muslim men the wrong idea about them. They are seen as having the morality of prostitutes.
Sadly there are always a minority of men in any community who will take advantage of them. Well I don't agree with your interpretation of his comments, Venice. He is clearly condoning the acts of the treacherous leeches or the excuses he makes for them. The word 'sadly' just seem to clarify that point; 'Sad' meaning = regrettable or unfortunate .
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I was not going to comment any further on this thread because I think Ex had a good fishing day yesterday reeling us in!!! Think he enjoys posting something that winds people up then sits back and watch us rise to it!!! He said himself he finds it amusing....just think if he had said that and someone knew one of these victims how it would be taken. We all know and are shocked at some young people's dress and actions but that does not give anyone carte blanche to do what these horrible men did.
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
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