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I am not both right and wrong. I am right. I didn't say Turkey isn't in Asia. I didn't say Turkey is all in Europe. I said it is in Europe - which is correct.
You should try that argument on the goal line when you're refereeing a match. EDIT: actually that isn't a good example  "in" is encompassing, Turkey is not "in" Europe, check any dictionary and please don't blame the messenger 
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I am not both right and wrong. I am right. I didn't say Turkey isn't in Asia. I didn't say Turkey is all in Europe. I said it is in Europe - which is correct.
You should try that argument on the goal line when you're refereeing a match. EDIT: actually that isn't a good example "in" is encompassing, Turkey is not "in" Europe, check any dictionary and please don't blame the messenger Turkey certainly is in Europe. It's also in Asia.
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I am not both right and wrong. I am right. I didn't say Turkey isn't in Asia. I didn't say Turkey is all in Europe. I said it is in Europe - which is correct.
You should try that argument on the goal line when you're refereeing a match. EDIT: actually that isn't a good example "in" is encompassing, Turkey is not "in" Europe, check any dictionary and please don't blame the messenger Turkey certainly is in Europe. It's also in Asia. Turkey is also in Asia Minor, which is the peninsula known as the Anatolian Peninsula or the Anatolian Plateau. DD, 'its' has an apostrophe e.g. it 's.(page 2, 11 posts down..check  ) ...and while we are at it, a country is referred to as a 'she' not an 'it'. So we are all wrong in that department . 
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...and while we are at it, a country is referred to as a 'she' not an 'it'. So we are all wrong in that department . It's not wrong to refer to a country as "it". Nor is it wrong to refer to some countries as "she" (there are notable exceptions - perhaps the best is Germany - the Fatherland). It's become a matter of choice. Language develops - what is incorrect today may become acceptable tomorrow. Many changes really p*** me off (eg the meaning of "unique") but what can one do?
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Turkey certainly is in Europe. It's also in Asia. On those grounds Turkey is "in" Istanbul, the UK is "in" London and your mouth is "in" your tongue. Makes like a completely different universe. Turkey etc used to be counted as Eurasia because of the vagueness of which continent it was belonged to - but technically the UK is also in Eurasia. ...and while we are at it, a country is referred to as a 'she' not an 'it'. So we are all wrong in that department . Not all countries are feminine, Germany is masculine and called the Fatherland, in English it has always been acceptable to call something "it" if the gender is not known or unspecific. In modern day English, gendering inanimate objects is entirely optional as it is now classed as a figure of speech. "Its" and its' variations has always been a bugbear with me after a certain Government education department passed an edict which subsequently proved to be incorrect. I really should learn the correct use but as I have trouble remembering if I put my socks on these days, it is all getting pretty mute
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Turkey certainly is in Europe. It's also in Asia. On those grounds Turkey is "in" Istanbul, the UK is "in" London and your mouth is "in" your tongue. Sorry - I can't follow your logic here. You'll have to spell it out. Turkey etc used to be counted as Eurasia because of the vagueness of which continent it was belonged to - but technically the UK is also in Eurasia. There's nothing "technical" about it - the UK is in Eurasia if one accepts the popular definition of what Eurasia is. And Turkey is in Eurasia - no "used to be" about it.
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In:- expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be enclosed or surrounded by something else.
Enclosed or surrounded does not include partially enclosed or partially surrounded (if there is such a thing?). "In" is conducent with "inside" and "within".
Interestingly the term "in" can be misconstrued by context, eg "Vatican City is in Italy" is both true and false depending on context (political or physical).
Turkey is not enclosed within Europe therefore it is not "in" Europe, it can be both part of Europe or partially in Europe which haven't got the overriding requirement of being wholly within.
UK is part of Eurasia for a technical reason:- the geographical construction of the continent, therefore it is technically part of Eurasia, this does not exclude it being part of Eurasia for other reasons eg common usage.
Common usage of the term Eurasia has near enough ceased partly due to the different usages of the term in recent times, in the past it was in more common usage, especially for the Turkish and other border regions (and less so for the UK), hence I refereed to the past when Turkey was commonly referred to as part of Eurasia. Using the past tence for a logical statement does not preclude it still being part of Eurasia (eg "I was English and I am still English" is not contradictory).
You are welcome to convince me otherwise on any of these points - there are a number of words that I have totally misconstrued in the past and my brain isn't getting any sharper.
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I've always thought of Turkey as Istabul being the gateway to Europe and the rest of Turkey as the Middle East.
Far East as China, Japan etc
Near East now known as middle east
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I've always thought of Turkey as Istabul being the gateway to Europe and the rest of Turkey as the Middle East.
Far East as China, Japan etc
Near East now known as middle east I think you could be right DWC. The Bosphorus separates Europe and Asia. Now we need to find out when Turkey strolled onto the other side of the Bosphorus and took the land belonging to whoever it may have belonged too. From now on we can call Germany HE ? Vatican City is a state surrounded by Rome. Not in Italy
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Not sure if it can be an extension of this topic. No harm done.
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In:- expressing the situation of something that is or appears to be enclosed or surrounded by something else.
Enclosed or surrounded does not include partially enclosed or partially surrounded (if there is such a thing?). "In" is conducent with "inside" and "within".
Interestingly the term "in" can be misconstrued by context, eg "Vatican City is in Italy" is both true and false depending on context (political or physical).
Turkey is not enclosed within Europe therefore it is not "in" Europe, it can be both part of Europe or partially in Europe which haven't got the overriding requirement of being wholly within.
UK is part of Eurasia for a technical reason:- the geographical construction of the continent, therefore it is technically part of Eurasia, this does not exclude it being part of Eurasia for other reasons eg common usage.
Common usage of the term Eurasia has near enough ceased partly due to the different usages of the term in recent times, in the past it was in more common usage, especially for the Turkish and other border regions (and less so for the UK), hence I refereed to the past when Turkey was commonly referred to as part of Eurasia. Using the past tence for a logical statement does not preclude it still being part of Eurasia (eg "I was English and I am still English" is not contradictory).
You are welcome to convince me otherwise on any of these points - there are a number of words that I have totally misconstrued in the past and my brain isn't getting any sharper. "In" (according to my lexicon) means "inside or within". No mention of "partial". Hence Turkey is in Europe. It's also in Asia. Interestingly, using your definition, France is not in Europe. Neither is Spain. Nor, surprisingly, is the USA in America. The UK is in Eurasia not for a technical reason - it is by definition.
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