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Re: Wirral Litter Police : £80 Fines [Re: TRANCENTRAL] #990246
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This bunch of three bell ends went on to damage a garden wall and a bit more. The council did not prosecute and they got a fine of eighty pounds.
This is what I call criminal damage and a council that did not prosecute because of cost is just as bad. (Arno fields)

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Re: Wirral Litter Police : £80 Fines [Re: dustymclean] #990250
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This bunch of three bell ends

Just love the way that descriptive terms roll off the tongue for various offending youths. Could we start a list that we can choose from when we wish to vent our spleens. cut and paste and add your own. *# etc may need to get past decency rules

bell ends
tossers

Re: Wirral Litter Police : £80 Fines [Re: granny] #990251
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Originally Posted by granny
It says CRB in the job description, but whatever, just another money spinner.
Again, showing incompetence from the Muppets....pathetic.


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Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh! Jer-e-my Cor-byn

Re: Wirral Litter Police : £80 Fines [Re: TRANCENTRAL] #990441
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Ruthin pensioner fined £75 for accidently dropping her till receipt whilst trying to put change in her purse. Angry locals collect and pay her fine.

Have to admire the "balls" these litter enforcement officers have just to get their monthly target bonus.


http://www.denbighshirefreepress.co...ng-a-shopping-receipt-on-the-ground.aspx

Rhos on Sea woman fined for feeding birds in her own garden
A pensioner told to pay £1,149 in fines and costs for feeding birds in her garden has criticised her treatment as "draconian".


http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/rhos-sea-woman-fined-feeding-10291211

Re: Wirral Litter Police : £80 Fines [Re: fish5133] #990447
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Although being able to understand the bird problem,the fines totally outweigh the offence.

The till receipt fine is pathetic.

A total disgrace. These councils are becoming more like authoritarian regimes.


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Re: Wirral Litter Police : £80 Fines [Re: TRANCENTRAL] #990501
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The offence wasn't littering or feeding birds it was for disobeying the community protection order (which is an ASBO in disguise). She didn't even plead guilty so got heavily penalised for costs, her fine was only £200.


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Re: Wirral Litter Police : £80 Fines [Re: TRANCENTRAL] #990514
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Fuel to the fire.
There people being fined and prosecuted over i tiny bit of rubish / litter. Wirral Council wanting wirral to be a cleaner litter free place.

I also want the same thing, but why are your incentive driven litter police in town centers? Ive never seen fly tipping outside a Tesco or Asda Store, you know where your officers duly wait for the smoker to finish a cigarette.

I was driving into Birkenhead and seen a Leather chair dumpped on pavement , my point being you can police and fine in our town centres and tourist attractions fining locals and visitors but your not going to stop flytippers if you target the wrong people (Smokers and old people).

The revenue will eventually stop, and so will our votes to you.

Food for thought.


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Re: Wirral Litter Police : £80 Fines [Re: diggingdeeper] #990593
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A friend and I used to read the same books and have a discussion about them.We often had a totally different opinion on what we had taken from them.I can never remember a time we disagreed for disagreeing s sake and took on board each others understanding of our individual interpretation of the same.I will leave you with your opinion intact and beg to disagree.

Re: Wirral Litter Police : £80 Fines [Re: Mark] #991154
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Hello new to this forum appreciate any help I can get I hope this is the right thread.
A family friend 74 year old lady widower on the 30th of October was in a taxi entrance to Aldi Laird Street when there was a tap on the window and she was asked to get out of the car confused she was told she had committed a littering offence i e cigarette end, then told she could pay a fine from £60 to £2,000 was then told she would receive information in the post obviously upset distressed so much so that the taxi driver had to help her into the house.

On the Tuesday paperwork arrived including the on the spot ticket apparently they do not have to issue them on the spot, as usual £80 fine reduced to £60 if paid quickly, this lady does not have the money for this fine not right away but like all elderly people get very distressed when it appears that the law is involved, I appealed on her behalf was told was told quite quickly I must say that after looking at the body camera they had done nothing wrong and the fine was upheld.

The question I have been trying to get answered is can I have access under the Freedom of Information Act to a copy or a transcript on this camera.
Any help would be greatly appreciated thank you

Re: Wirral Litter Police : £80 Fines [Re: Jross] #991166
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They can't give out copies, but you can make an appointment with them in order to view the footage

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Thank you I will give them a call

Re: Wirral Litter Police : £80 Fines [Re: TRANCENTRAL] #991250
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Bet she didn't even know she was littering--ciggy butts were only added to the law 10 years ago as there was some doubt as to whether they constituted litter. Probably been ok if she dropped it in Aldi car park as its private property--unless he was working for Aldi.

She will be ok just have to starve for a week or keep the heating off

Huyton Scousers see off Litter Police





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Re: Wirral Litter Police : £80 Fines [Re: TRANCENTRAL] #991254
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Cigarette butts have always been classed as litter in the eyes of the law. The Litter Act was brought out in 1958 but was weak because of the requirements of proof and responsibility so it was re-enforced in 1983 after the Environmental Protection Act 1974 which was updated in 1990 as well as other later acts in 2003 and 2005.

The first UK anti-littering campaign was in 1951. The Keep Britain Tidy Group was formed in 1954 and has specifically targeted smokers since 1974.


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Re: Wirral Litter Police : £80 Fines [Re: TRANCENTRAL] #991261
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Hi DD.
Read this yesterday hence my comment about ciggies

It is a criminal offence for a person to drop, throw down, or otherwise deposit and then leave litter.
The offence of littering is covered in Sections 87 and 88 of the Environmental Protection Act (EPA)
1990. This act has been updated and amended by the Clean Neighbourhoods and Environment
Act (CNEA) 2005 to make it clearer that it the term ‘litter’ now includes smoking related litter and
other discarded items such as chewing gum
. The CNEA has also amended the existing legislation
so that the offence of littering now applies to all places that are open to the air, including both
private and public land and water.
Environmental

Re: Wirral Litter Police : £80 Fines [Re: TRANCENTRAL] #991263
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Yes - they made it "clearer" that butts were included, the implication being that it was already fact, if it wasn't already fact then it would be an introduction not a clarification.

Previous to this cigarette butts weren't specifically named (as many thousands of types of litter aren't) but the description of litter did include butts.

The litter act 1983 primary paragraph is

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if any person throws down, drops or otherwise deposits in, into or from any place in the open air to which the public are entitled or permitted to have access without payment, and leaves, any thing whatsoever in such circumstances as to cause, or contribute to, or tend to lead to, the defacement by litter of any place in the open air, he shall be guilty of an offence, unless that depositing and leaving was authorised by law or was done with the consent of the owner, occupier or other person or authority having control of the place in or into which that thing was deposited,


Basically saying "any thing whatsoever" counts.

Littering commonly being defined as "untidy with rubbish" or similar.

I can't see any ambiguity that would separate a cigarette butt from a piece of paper.


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