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I starting to think that the country has been so indoctrinated into a dictatorial state that they have forgotten what democracy is.

Corbyn believes in democracy and fairness, he has put his party's wishes ahead of his own beliefs and yet is being accused of being weak - I see it as being strong.

It is amazing the amount of campaigning that is going against him, a lot of scared people who know that Corbyn has a message that can be sold and is probably what the country needs.


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I'm a Labour voter myself but JC would do well to note what finished Michael Foot and Neil Kinnock. The anti-Trident / anti-defence thing is a huge vote loser.

The livelihoods of too many people rely on defence / weapons / making things to kill people. Put this at risk and you're politically knackered. Far more working class people than we would ever like to imagine vote Conservative and they don't go out on the streets and make a noise about themselves.

Just think about it. That's all those who work in the weapons trade, contractors, suppliers, logistics, the armed forces, and their families. That's enough people to sway the outcome of an election. Like them or not, the working class Tories get out and vote and that is what ultimately matters.

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Originally Posted by philmch
I'm a Labour voter myself but JC would do well to note what finished Michael Foot and Neil Kinnock. The anti-Trident / anti-defence thing is a huge vote loser.

The livelihoods of too many people rely on defence / weapons / making things to kill people. Put this at risk and you're politically knackered. Far more working class people than we would ever like to imagine vote Conservative and they don't go out on the streets and make a noise about themselves.

Just think about it. That's all those who work in the weapons trade, contractors, suppliers, logistics, the armed forces, and their families. That's enough people to sway the outcome of an election. Like them or not, the working class Tories get out and vote and that is what ultimately matters.


His ideal is no Trident but he backed down on this weeks ago - its just the newspapers perpetuating his ideals instead of his policies - on which he is still democratically flexible.

He is not anti-defence, he is anti-offence, he firmly believes we should had a defence system to fully protect our country, he does not believe we should have a system designed to attack other countries.

Trident is an American system and we pour money into America for it, some of that money would go more to British defence companies if we ditched Trident. America sets the price of Trident then tells us its compulsory for us to have it????

NATO was formed as a co-operative defence system in the cold war period to cover the Atlantic area, when the cold war ended NATO realised it could be disbanded but instead it took on an offensive World roll.

Corbyn has got a problem that he wants Labour to be a strong party representative of those that voted him in - of course the right-wing Blairites in suits are going to continually undermine him - we couldn't possibly have a left-wing Labour party could we!!!


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