Thatchers' funeral protest, Liverpool. What a joke! How many of them were born in 1980's and if they were, they would have been with nappies and dummies, so they remember nothing but think they should be listened to and heard. Ha bloody ha ! A right rough bunch of trouble makers, if you ask me.
They are still living with the effects of Thatcherism - the destruction of industry, more and more money going to the rich.
Thatcher's ideals assumed that rich people would become philanthropic, she was hugely disappointed and stated this in later life.
The government's job is the redistribution of wealth, its extremely easy for the rich to become richer, Thatchers method of relying on benevolence failed miserably, we are in a world of unrelenting greed.
There's a real danger that the left will drag Britain back to the 1970s, with secure well-paid jobs, ample housing, properly-funded NHS and social care, free tuition, student grants, final salary pensions, affordable rail fares and fabulous films and music. David Osland 2025
We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
Because the silly Tory government believes in demolish and build, which gives the most profit for their buddies and the most damage to the environment.
Grants are rarely available for extensive refurbishment but comes in huge piles for redevelopment.
Whole streets are almost always bordered up when there are plans to demolish. There are similar in every town in the whole country, Birkenhead has more than its fair share.
Tosh ! The companies involved with the regeneration of Liverpool is a local company and has local people as directors such as Warren Bradley, Mike Storey, Alan Henshaw... all ex council plus many more. Nothing to do with Tory mates in high places. Have a look at the link for figures etc. being spent on regeneration.
Lets' not forget that Liverpool docks closed in 1972, long before Thatcher years. There is a lot of history which accumulated in the problems of the city, not down to one particular person, which you should be aware of.
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Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
You might also read this from beginning to end, from 1985.
It gives a fair debate from both sides of the bench.
In 1965, the docks employed 13,589 people. That industry today employs 2,086 — a reduction of more than 80 per cent. There have been corresponding job losses in associated industries and services. There has been no let-up in the de-industrialisation of Liverpool. Between 1971 and 1981 the city lost 90,000, or one quarter, of its jobs. Manufacturing jobs have declined by nearly 40 per cent. and blue collar jobs by 30 per cent. Between 1979 and July 1983, 33,220 redundancies were notified by firms in Liverpool. The catalogue of job losses is endless.
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
"The government's job is the redistribution of wealth..."
In the former Soviet Union, China and Cuba, maybe. And where exactly do we think we are going to get wealth to BE redistributed, once it has all BEEN redistributed? From the Government? Oh yes that will work.
The government redistributes the wealth in all the countries that I have knowledge of including the USA and the UK - it is an essential function of government, the only other realistic alternative is relying on philanthropy and in this day and age that doesn't happen on a scale large enough.
A society can't possibly work unless wealth is distributed either directly (shared wealth - true communism?) or indirectly through government controls.
If you really want me to explain I will but it will probably be quite long and boring.
There's a real danger that the left will drag Britain back to the 1970s, with secure well-paid jobs, ample housing, properly-funded NHS and social care, free tuition, student grants, final salary pensions, affordable rail fares and fabulous films and music. David Osland 2025
We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
"The government's job is the redistribution of wealth..."
In the former Soviet Union, China and Cuba, maybe. And where exactly do we think we are going to get wealth to BE redistributed, once it has all BEEN redistributed? From the Government? Oh yes that will work.
That must be why Harold Wilson's government increased level of tax to 83% on top earners over £20,000 (£185,000 today) and devalued the pound,.
His programme of de-industrialisation and with high inflation started to lead to unrest .
"'Throughout the mid-1970s, especially 1974 and 1975, the British economy was troubled by high rates of inflation. To tackle this, the government capped public sector pay rises and publicly promoted a clear capped level to the private sector. This caused unrest among trade unions as wages did not keep pace with price increases. This extended to most industries including coal mining, which provided the majority of the country's fuel and had a powerful trade union.'"
Does anyone remember when his (Wilson) offices were ransacked and searched ? Not long after that he resigned, but it has long been thought he was attached to the KGB. I find that hard to believe, but he did have contacts with some of the spy's of the day. 'The Golden Age of Spying' as it was referred to. There was also a threat of a military coup around that time. If anyone remembers also when homosexuality was illegal. The way these people were enlisted into the spy networks was by obtaining evidence of their sexual preferences, prostitution too, and then blackmailing them. Once homosexuality was legal and prostitution was not seen as particularly bad ,today I wonder if those have been replaced by child abuse within high places, for the sole purpose of blackmail, to obtain top secret information.
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Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
found this by chance.....the admission of guilt. 1995 Tim Fortescue.
I am reading about British spys this am. Getting very engrossed . What a life !
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Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
To jump back to Corbyn, the video in the following link is so true. These guys are trying to gain votes and refuse to disclose their thoughts of how they would run the party which is the very issue the electorate are voting on.
I'm one of the many who have re-joined the Labour party specifically to vote for Corbyn ..... that doesn't mean I will vote Labour at the next general election but I do want to have the opportunity to vote socialist.
There's a real danger that the left will drag Britain back to the 1970s, with secure well-paid jobs, ample housing, properly-funded NHS and social care, free tuition, student grants, final salary pensions, affordable rail fares and fabulous films and music. David Osland 2025
We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
To jump back to Corbyn, the video in the following link is so true. These guys are trying to gain votes and refuse to disclose their thoughts of how they would run the party which is the very issue the electorate are voting on.
I'm one of the many who have re-joined the Labour party specifically to vote for Corbyn ..... that doesn't mean I will vote Labour at the next general election but I do want to have the opportunity to vote socialist.
He was at Birkenhead Town Hall a week or so ago. The building was packed out- standing room only. Rapturous applause. He is at the Aldelphi tonight. As a union member, I get a vote and will be voting Corbyn. Last chance saloon for Labour in my books. Without Corbyn as Leader they will be getting no more votes from me!!
To jump back to Corbyn, the video in the following link is so true. These guys are trying to gain votes and refuse to disclose their thoughts of how they would run the party which is the very issue the electorate are voting on.
I'm one of the many who have re-joined the Labour party specifically to vote for Corbyn ..... that doesn't mean I will vote Labour at the next general election but I do want to have the opportunity to vote socialist.
He was at Birkenhead Town Hall a week or so ago. The building was packed out- standing room only. Rapturous applause. He is at the Aldelphi tonight. As a union member, I get a vote and will be voting Corbyn. Last chance saloon for Labour in my books. Without Corbyn as Leader they will be getting no more votes from me!!
He's running ahead by a mile. I can only see the party splitting if he is nominated, as happened after Michael Foot was Labour leader. I think 4 of them started the breakaway and formed the Social Democrat Party, virtually immediately after he became leader. Andy Burnham has also indicated today that similar could happen, as it was mentioned on the news this evening. So they must be considering it as an option. If that did happen, then we are back to a two party race, all over again. The three laggers are of no substance anyway. A pretty dismal affair by any parties standards. Everyone comes across as being so week these days. Maybe apart from Andy Burnham who is projecting his voice more and trying to appear as if he has command of a situation...which he doesn't.
Dusty, they had to keep their eye on the ball, you know !
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Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
Well, I'm joining the Labour party and voting for Corbyn. I can think of no better way of ensuring a Conservative government for the forseeable future
That logic backfired on the Blairites, it could well backfire on the Tories as well - suits me fine
There's a real danger that the left will drag Britain back to the 1970s, with secure well-paid jobs, ample housing, properly-funded NHS and social care, free tuition, student grants, final salary pensions, affordable rail fares and fabulous films and music. David Osland 2025
We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
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