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granny #945825 9th May 2015 9:25am
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Well said Granny.

I am not a troll either, I'm a grown man.

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Originally Posted by Bennie
yes granny Yvette Cooper did keep her seat and thankfully Esther McVey lost hers, some small justice.
Best regards. Bennie


The trouble with 'Strictly Labour ' is that most supporters don't see further than the end of their very own nose.
In case you have not been able to follow the goings on and mischief that seem to have been evolving behind the scenes of the Labour party during the last couple of years , Ed Balls has had his wife Yvette Cooper, standing in the wings for long enough, waiting for Miliband to drop out. Now, you see tonight that although her beloved has had the shock of his life, she is more than likely to stand for the leadership of the Labour Party. Taking that on board, do you really think she would be the one to lead Labour to a victorious election next time around ? So although you seem to think my point was rebuffed by Esther McVey's defeat being in my thoughts, you were wrong. It was purely to make as observation that the next leader of the Labour Party, might well (again) be the wrong person.

My thoughts on the horrible, tactics and personal attacks directed at Esther Mcvey; I doubt they made any difference to the outcome. It simply stamped those who behave in such an undemocratic manner, to be denouncing their own so called democratic beliefs.

The country voted and showed their choice. Can't change what the majority choose and each one must have had their own reason for the way they voted. End of !

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Good point granny, but do you think that all the name calling and underhand tactics were only the remit of the labour party? politics is a dirty business, and the conservatives are masters of underhand dealings.

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Originally Posted by casper
Good point granny, but do you think that all the name calling and underhand tactics were only the remit of the labour party? politics is a dirty business, and the conservatives are masters of underhand dealings.


Name calling became a boring option for all the political parties to get involved in. To the point where it would seem the majority of the pubic became totally oblivious to it. Appalling way for any to conduct themselves. Unfortunately, we must observe that far too many foreign outsiders have brought in to direct the politicians on how to achieve. Holding of hands, phrases, looking at the cameras, wives, cookery, shopping etc.etc. Miliband's chap was Obama's old hand at it. I don't like the way we seem to have to follow American ideas with political stunts, and the television leader's debates I feel did more harm than good to Miliband and Natalie Bennett. They are all acting to a script, which is why they are unable to answer any questions honestly or directly. They are themselves puppets under scrutiny and some are better at acting than others. Nick Clegg in my opinion never showed the man he could be, controlled and directed by Paddy Ashdown and Vince Cable. Yes, all political parties have underhand dealings, always have and always will, it wouldn't do for us to know everything, but some are far more aggressive than others and it depends on individuals to decide as to which is more or less so.
Still, I cannot see Yvette Cooper in a position of leadership. We need people to represent on the same par as world leaders who are solid, strong, characters and who can step up to the world stage e.g. Belgium, France, China, Russia etc. and are not likely to be eaten alive by the likes of Angela Merkel, Putin, or Hu Flung Dung.
In my opinion Mr Cameron is still not up to the mark in the bear pit .


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Funny how graffiti and dirt throwing never showed before in Hoylake until the Labour Party got involved - speaks volumes of the type of people they are and makes me delighted at the Tory victory - who wants that type of person ruling a country that our armed forces have given their lives for in two world wars so that we could be free - thuggery, damage and bullying have no place in a decent society, long may it lose.

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@Granny The figures on your borrowing graph tie in nearly exactly with my debt figures.

Your graph is the one the tories like you to see, which most people will interpret as debt generally being paid off .... WRONG ... this shows the additional borrowing each year which shows the debt is increasing every year.

Never mind what fancy stats they use, we are going deeper into debt and they haven't paid off any debt. Where is all the money going???


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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
@Granny The figures on your borrowing graph tie in nearly exactly with my debt figures.

Your graph is the one the tories like you to see, which most people will interpret as debt generally being paid off .... WRONG ... this shows the additional borrowing each year which shows the debt is increasing every year.

Never mind what fancy stats they use, we are going deeper into debt and they haven't paid off any debt. Where is all the money going???


I would assume a large part is going towards 'getting the deficit down', but don't really know ? Try FOI laugh


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Wow Granny, do you really think that the tories aren't waiting to get shut of their leader ? Boris Johnson, Teresa May and George Osborne are desperate for his job. You can't seriously think that Boris was campaigning for the tories when you know he's only ever campaigned for Boris. But of course you are entitled to your opinion. Y.O.L.O. Bennie.

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Ste. I voted T.U.S.C. locally and labour Nationally. Bennie

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"Virtual money" graphs to show the international monetary clique,how we are performing.

Santos #945847 9th May 2015 12:24pm
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Santos, so you know definitely it was the Labour Party responsible for this? can I suggest you go to the police station and make you information known, I to abhor this kind of behaviour and if I had access to information about the perpetrators, I would have reported them, why haven't you?

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I see we have another Benefit Street programme on TV starting Monday, horrendous !! Progs like that and the Jeremy Kyles and what they depict is what have drawn people to conservative. I know they show the very worst but let's face we all know people like that and I ,m sorry but working people are getting really fed up of it and want things to change. And I know it's not everybody but there is a great many just want to be given everything on a plate.....

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Originally Posted by cools
I see we have another Benefit Street programme on TV starting Monday, horrendous !! Progs like that and the Jeremy Kyles and what they depict is what have drawn people to conservative. I know they show the very worst but let's face we all know people like that and I ,m sorry but working people are getting really fed up of it and want things to change. And I know it's not everybody but there is a great many just want to be given everything on a plate.....



The Tory media preparing us for the justifying of possible really deep welfare cuts, so quick at getting the ball rolling
though

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Originally Posted by cools
I see we have another Benefit Street programme on TV starting Monday, horrendous !! Progs like that and the Jeremy Kyles and what they depict is what have drawn people to conservative.


I usually resist commenting on political threads, but I don't follow your logic.


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Not like you Dereck paranoia setting in or, what! It is obviously in the can and would be on whatever the result. Lets loosen up people, "who is coming the pub?.

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