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Re: Empty Bank Occupation. Liverpool. [Re: RUDEBOX] #943597
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Re: Empty Bank Occupation. Liverpool. [Re: RUDEBOX] #943598
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No Slinky Granny isn't spot on. She has an opinion which you may agree with but all that is written is purely her opinion followed up with some carefully selected research and anecdotes. I love Moonstars Greek mythology reference which will be lost to some, i'm sure a great welcome to Hades will be had.
Is it right to take away the individual right to protest simply because an opinion is given that nothing becomes of the actions? Progressive change takes time but it does eventually happen following protests. We would not have gay rights, civil rights and womens rights for example without taking direct action. No doubt some youngsters at their dotage will think was it worth it or have a negative opinion of the youth of that new period taking action in a way which is seen as disrespective or counter intuitive. Times change, methods of action change but hopefully there will be change if its worth fighting for.

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When you get old, and I am, you look back and actually realise what a waste of time and effort you spent worrying over stuff that in the end doesn't make one jot of difference to your own situation or those nearest to you. You get one chance at life, why waste it causing bother, wrecking your own environs and causing grief to those around you? Look where the Greeks are now, that's where mythology gets you in the end.


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Re: Empty Bank Occupation. Liverpool. [Re: RUDEBOX] #943609
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Re: Empty Bank Occupation. Liverpool. [Re: GeeMeister] #943613
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Originally Posted by GeeMeister
No Slinky Granny isn't spot on. She has an opinion which you may agree with but all that is written is purely her opinion followed up with some carefully selected research and anecdotes. I love Moonstars Greek mythology reference which will be lost to some, i'm sure a great welcome to Hades will be had.
Is it right to take away the individual right to protest simply because an opinion is given that nothing becomes of the actions? Progressive change takes time but it does eventually happen following protests. We would not have gay rights, civil rights and womens rights for example without taking direct action. No doubt some youngsters at their dotage will think was it worth it or have a negative opinion of the youth of that new period taking action in a way which is seen as disrespective or counter intuitive. Times change, methods of action change but hopefully there will be change if its worth fighting for.


Which are the careful research and anecdotes you refer to Geemeister ? If people are happy to contradict others as has happened in more than one post, they need to clarify their own opinions before they disregard others . Not just dismiss without explanation. I assume you are aware that this whole venture is likely to not last long.....as their post said on Facebook. quote "hurry, we do not know how long we can stay here" Now, that to me indicates they are using and abusing the homeless. Building their hopes up just to let them down again. That is pure and simply CRUEL and if you can justify that fact Geemeister, then please let us know how.

There are plenty of buildings in Liverpool that could have served the same purpose, but no, they want a high profile building. In fact had they been really serious I'm sure there are many who may well have offers of empty buildings for the purpose of.

Watched the video clip of them digging the road up outside the building, is that Bank of England land or is it council land ? Not really sure about what you're going on about in relation to making change, change has been put in place and built upon since 1970's/80's for the homeless, a right to protest is not what we are talking about on here, and this effort is not for the homeless. There might well be more needed places, but this again is not building on any foundations which have already been laid. Apart from that I no longer have any points to make to give them air time. Make a donation as many do, without whom , there would hardly be anywhere for the homeless.

People who do make a real difference, why don't you join them.

http://www.shelter.org.uk/


Bandy is right.......and yes, they will disappear into the ether after the election, leaving those in most need with a faded memory of what gave them a day of hope. How sad for them.

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Re: Empty Bank Occupation. Liverpool. [Re: RUDEBOX] #943619
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Just one more thing. This picture has also been shared on the same Love Activists FB page. It's got a few 'thumbs up' . The masks being used for the purpose of masked identity.

Ironically, those who are making them are probably homeless too, and suffering slave labour ! No consciences then when posting such an image ? It would give anyone nightmares, looking at those all day.





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Re: Empty Bank Occupation. Liverpool. [Re: granny] #943626
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[quote=granny] Now, that to me indicates they are using and abusing the homeless. Building their hopes up just to let them down again. That is pure and simply CRUEL and if you can justify that fact Geemeister, then please let us know how.

There are plenty of buildings in Liverpool that could have served the same purpose, but no, they want a high profile building. In fact had they been really serious I'm sure there are many who may well have offers of empty buildings for the purpose of.

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Dont often disagree with you Granny , but your comment about letting the homeless down - giving them false hope?? I dont think so. Youre intimating that the homeless are too stupid to realize how obvious it is that this is a point making demonstration, not a 'for life' set up? Homeless doesnt = 'thick' . Most of them will 'get it' that this is a message to the Govt, that something more must be done.

Secondly , your point about the building being a bank. To me , thats the very ESSENCE of the whole thing. Its greedy life sucking banks that rule the world pretty much, banks that are the underlying cause of most of the country's ills which are causing a circle of financial problems, which are causing the job shortage which is causing the financil problems which are causing the poverty which is leading to homelessness etc . Of COURSE it had to be a bank , and the more high profile the better.

I prefer legal ways of doing things, but sometimes the law is too slothful and needs a kick up the backside . ie Direct action .Direct action can work. Its just a shame that the organizers of this 'sit in', are obviously full of enthusiasm , but sadly not experienced enough to know/see/understand , that to get good PR and credibility out of this gesture, they needed to respect the place , and practice some strong self policing and demonstrate less childlike behaviour. Sadly , this is the way of most direct actions these days


The comment about helping via 'Shelter' They do a good job, but theyre probably a registered charity who therefore cant act politically -- much to their chagrin , so a lot of charities are actually pleased (although cant show support ) to see their cause highlighted in direct high profile ways ( but of course its counter productive when the protesters start behaving in a vandalistic or uncivilised manner)




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Re: Empty Bank Occupation. Liverpool. [Re: RUDEBOX] #943627
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I have heard that the Occupants have held a meeting Venice re. the grafitti. A discussion was held whether to remove it or not.

It is, generally, the youngsters who decided to express their opinions on the walls of two rooms.I have said before, in the context of the entire building, the grafitti is actually a very small area. There are no 'organisers' as such.

Supporters range from anarchists to trade union members to Joe Public, passing by, dropping in and donating goods.

Glad somebody can see why they targetted the former Bank of England.

Oh yes, about Shelter....Pickles made sure that charities are limited in what they can do by way of his Charities Commision.

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Re: Empty Bank Occupation. Liverpool. [Re: venice] #943635
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Venice, people aren't that smart when they can lock themselves in a the vault of a bank strong room ! Last on the video clip was they were waiting for a hack saw raftl More like a ton of explosive needed. I wonder if they are still there ?


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Re: Empty Bank Occupation. Liverpool. [Re: RUDEBOX] #943654
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I dont agree with out and out anarchy , and I reckon its that element which invariably turns a perfectly reasonable protest that many people could understand and support (albeit from the side lines so to speak) into a situation where the original purpose is COMPLETELY lost and all the public sees and remembers (encouraged by the establishment) and whether it's entirely accurate or not, is an unruly ,ill educated, uncouth collection of often foul mouthed yobs ,rampaging and vandalising public and often private property without a second thought of consequences. Makes me furious, sad and frustrated .

I hope they do turn it around , if they throw out the anarchists , cleaned up their act , showed respect for the building, had a good rehearsed spokesperson explain exactly why they were there and what they wanted to achieve , and if they stop trying to turn whats a serious protest into some kind of trashy festival ---- then they might just get people to actually realize how important the issue IS.

Cant see them being able to kick out the anarchists though. By definition anarchists dont like being told anything, and its my belief the majority of them just attend protests randomly purely to practise wild anti social behaviour , under the umbrella of a just cause .

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Yup, Venice it is a problem.

The Chair of NW/96 visited at the weekend to try and educate them on leadership, strategy etc.... *sigh*

The coalition must have been aware that they would cause divisions with their policies- of course, they did!! Hence,on occasion 'groups' being created within the same class movement, with the same (ultimate) aims/ message. Then there are the infiltrators, too with their own objectives.

Granny, I have not heard about the 'locked in the vault' thing so cannot comment other than wonder why 'they' need a hacksaw when the keys to the vault are on site?! Maybe, he has gone to collect supplies that the smaller Liverpool shops seem to be offering?

When I was u.e ing the vaults, it is a claustrophic environment. I was un-nerved, as an experienced Urbexer. Maybe a newb has panicked, I dunno...



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Just one more thing. This picture has also been shared on the same Love Activists FB page. It's got a few 'thumbs up' . The masks being used for the purpose of masked identity.
Also #Solidarity. Although I bet a few undercover police wear them, too.


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Originally Posted by granny
Just one more thing. This picture has also been shared on the same Love Activists FB page. It's got a few 'thumbs up' . The masks being used for the purpose of masked identity.
Also #Solidarity. Although I bet a few undercover police wear them, too.


Rudebox... you're obviously 'for the people'.

What do you do for a living?

(and did someone sell you a load of commas, for you to, use them, lots)

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