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#850529 - 15th Jan 2014 9:58am 50 New ANPR Cameras to be installed
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AN EXTRA fifty police camera sites are to be introduced across Merseyside as the new Matrix Serious Organised Crime unit launches a crackdown on travelling criminals using the county's roads and motorways.

The network of Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) cameras will be paid for by selling cars and other vehicles seized from criminals proved to have been bought using proceeds from crime.

Chief Superintendent Mark Harrison said: "ANPR is a vital tool in our fight against serious and organised crime.

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But is this not the same as the USA spending millions on a pen to use in space, and the Russians used a pencil.

What's stopping the criminals changing a reg plate ?
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#850536 - 15th Jan 2014 10:51am Re: 50 New ANPR Cameras to be installed [Re: Mark]
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AN EXTRA fifty police camera sites are to be introduced across Merseyside as the new Matrix Serious Organised Crime unit launches a crackdown on travelling criminals using the county's roads and motorways.

What's stopping the criminals changing a reg plate ?


Excellent News, uninsured cars should just not be on the road. Imagine you were crippled for the rest of your life by an uninsured driver. Where would the money come from to ensure that you had everything you needed to make life as comfortable as possible?

As I understand it, changing number plates will not make a lot of difference. If the plates do not match up to the physical appearance of the car, it will be stopped and the driver questioned.
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#850550 - 15th Jan 2014 12:42pm Re: 50 New ANPR Cameras to be installed [Re: Mark]
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What's stopping the criminals changing a reg plate ?



Who cares?

At least it will stop all the uninsured scum in their tracks resulting in cheaper insurance for those of us who actually botherr to be legal.
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#850558 - 15th Jan 2014 1:17pm Re: 50 New ANPR Cameras to be installed [Re: Mark]
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But stopped where?
The camera is at one location the police at another.

I think that if they don't care enough about being insured there not bothered about the consequences.

Its a deterrent but in practice it would be good to see if it does have a positive impact. We are lucky to have the tunnel but all that records is which way the vehicle went when it was stolen or drove off with out insurance.

The fines are cheaper than having insurance for many drivers.
So why should they bother getting insured.

Ste we have all read about the Police Databases not being updated correctly, which i'm lead to believe is out of date every time you renew your insurance. And the few days it takes to present the correct information can have you and I insurance payers in the hot tub.

Its a system, but its not perfect by any means. IMO
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#850616 - 15th Jan 2014 6:35pm Re: 50 New ANPR Cameras to be installed [Re: Mark]
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Depends which insurance company you are with to be hones, some take a couple of days to put your cars on then others can do it as soon as you have rang them.
People need to make sure they carry a copy around with them, i have been stung in the past by this but that was because one of the officers was an asshole and couldnt be bothered to see that 2 of my other cars were insured.

Prooved in court all was ok but i lost out on a car which was impounded and wasn't worth paying for to get back, lesson learnt, moral is always carry your insurance certificate with you because there are some lazy officers out there that haven't got a clue about their own job.

As far the criminal part goes it won't stop them, they will just use public or hired transport.
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#850618 - 15th Jan 2014 6:45pm Re: 50 New ANPR Cameras to be installed [Re: Mark]
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A friend of mine in Liverpool saw her car being stolen and so rang the Police immediately. They traced it with ANPR and it was found half an hour later with the thieves inside. I'm in favour after all it can only help especially as the taxpayer isn't paying for it but the criminals themselves.

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#850885 - 16th Jan 2014 5:27pm Re: 50 New ANPR Cameras to be installed [Re: Mark]
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Surely we have 7 days to produce any required document at a police station, we don't have to have them with us do we?

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#850886 - 16th Jan 2014 5:29pm Re: 50 New ANPR Cameras to be installed [Re: Salmon]
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Surely we have 7 days to produce any required document at a police station, we don't have to have them with us do we?


you do if you get an asshole copper that doesn't know his hand from his ass.
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#850911 - 16th Jan 2014 6:15pm Re: 50 New ANPR Cameras to be installed [Re: Mark]
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In response to Mark's thoughts about viability of operation this from yesteday's Mersey Magazine


POLICE DELIGHTED WITH RESULTS ON FIRST DAY OF ANPR OPERATION

Published January 15, 2014.


Following today’s ANPR operation a total of 541 vehicles were stopped throughout Merseyside and
20 people were arrested for offences including firearms, drugs,
assault, possession of offensive weapons, drink/drug driving and driving
while disqualified

14 cars and other vehicles were seized and 1 stolen vehicle was recovered

Among the arrests were a 24-year-old Liverpool man arrested today in Birkenhead having
been wanted in connection with a shooting in Liverpool which happened in
the L13 area of the city last March. The man was arrested on suspicion
of Section 18 wounding and also on suspicion of possession of a
controlled drug after cannabis was found

A man arrested in Walton after he fled from police as he
approach an ANPR site. Following his arrest a large bag of cannabis was
found

A man in Knowsley arrested on suspicion of domestic assault and
car theft.

A man arrested in Stanley Road in Bootle on suspicion of
possession of an offensive weapon

A motorist arrested on Aigburth Road in south Liverpool on
suspicion of driving while unfit through drink or drugs
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Seems like a positive start to me.




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#850913 - 16th Jan 2014 6:17pm Re: 50 New ANPR Cameras to be installed [Re: Salmon]
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Surely we have 7 days to produce any required document at a police station, we don't have to have them with us do we?


They usually need some for of ID before a 'producer' can be issued, just in case you are giving false name and address.

If you cannot prove who you are (after being pulled up for computer info about your car) apparently they are permitted to arrest you and take you to the police station to ensure an accurate ID has been given. They can't allow you to drive off in case you are not legally insured.
If you are found to have no insurance or road fund licence, they can then take your car off you.
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#850914 - 16th Jan 2014 6:19pm Re: 50 New ANPR Cameras to be installed [Re: _Ste_]
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Originally Posted By: Salmon
Surely we have 7 days to produce any required document at a police station, we don't have to have them with us do we?


you do if you get an asshole copper that doesn't know his hand from his ass.


Most people have a smart phone that you can download an Adobe app. Scan your docs and keep them on your phone - just in case!

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#850920 - 16th Jan 2014 6:48pm Re: 50 New ANPR Cameras to be installed [Re: Mark]
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Never wanted to carry originals in the car, well I was always told not too in case there stolen. But the smart phone is a great idea. Fancy me not seeing the wood for the trees on that one. Just to take it that bit further i will scan and dump them in drop box so i can access them at the road side or the police station lol.

Its crazy in this day and age that the insurance company's can not update the data in a timely fashion. But i think its because its been updated manually and not on-line like so many of us do.

It did happen to me about 5yrs ago. I was followed by the police, right onto my Driveway. They said I showed up with no insurance on the car and I said that it was rubbish as it was done last week. They did not want to believe me until i insisted that i can print out the confirmation e-mail.

They then said "Ok we will let it go this time" like it was my fault !!! And they wonder why the few spoil it for the many.
They said they would check again in a few days to be sure, which i pointed out that I had paid for the Year. grrrr

Now we have smart phones I will record any awkward moments smile
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#850921 - 16th Jan 2014 6:52pm Re: 50 New ANPR Cameras to be installed [Re: Softy_Southerner]
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Originally Posted By: Softy_Southerner
Originally Posted By: _Ste_
Originally Posted By: Salmon
Surely we have 7 days to produce any required document at a police station, we don't have to have them with us do we?


you do if you get an asshole copper that doesn't know his hand from his ass.


Most people have a smart phone that you can download an Adobe app. Scan your docs and keep them on your phone - just in case!


Police would not accept a picture of your details, otherwise a 10 year old could be hired to do forgeries and make a bit of pocket money
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#851120 - 17th Jan 2014 9:00am Re: 50 New ANPR Cameras to be installed [Re: Mark]
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Originally Posted By: Mark
Never wanted to carry originals in the car, well I was always told not too in case there stolen. But the smart phone is a great idea. Fancy me not seeing the wood for the trees on that one. Just to take it that bit further i will scan and dump them in drop box so i can access them at the road side or the police station lol.

Its crazy in this day and age that the insurance company's can not update the data in a timely fashion. But i think its because its been updated manually and not on-line like so many of us do.

It did happen to me about 5yrs ago. I was followed by the police, right onto my Driveway. They said I showed up with no insurance on the car and I said that it was rubbish as it was done last week. They did not want to believe me until i insisted that i can print out the confirmation e-mail.

They then said "Ok we will let it go this time" like it was my fault !!! And they wonder why the few spoil it for the many.
They said they would check again in a few days to be sure, which i pointed out that I had paid for the Year. grrrr

Now we have smart phones I will record any awkward moments smile


I carry a scanned copy of my insurance in the glove compartment. I generally have a wallet with me at all times, unless of course I forget (senior moment)which also contains ID.

The problem with Insurance certificates of course is that although you have one, you could have cancelled it soon after receiving it. So the police have to check up that it is still in force and therefore valid.
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