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Originally Posted by svenlock68
It's just a natural evolution of decades of people taking the pee on the sick , unions having too much power and stopping work , taking companies to court , litigation , costs, competition, recession.
People don't realise that long term actions bring consequences to work , life ,when they kick the arse out something of benefit.
In the future there'll be no benefits like the USA. It's inevitable.


Load of codswallop! The problem is that Unions have too little power to defend their members. Businesses now screw as much as they can out of their workers and keep coming back for a little more every year. If we all follow your attitude, then we really will be down at the US's level. The other way is to stand and fight. Demand a better standard of living for everyone.

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Originally Posted by svenlock68
It's just a natural evolution of decades of people taking the pee on the sick , unions having too much power and stopping work , taking companies to court , litigation , costs, competition, recession.
People don't realise that long term actions bring consequences to work , life ,when they kick the arse out something of benefit.
In the future there'll be no benefits like the USA. It's inevitable.
i totally agree with you touchstone

Load of codswallop! The problem is that Unions have too little power to defend their members. Businesses now screw as much as they can out of their workers and keep coming back for a little more every year. If we all follow your attitude, then we really will be down at the US's level. The other way is to stand and fight. Demand a better standard of living for everyone.

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Use your head !? Who do you think has helped in the decline of people's rights ? The gov ! Companies and big business who don't care about people just profits have lobbied the lovely gov for years to get what they want.
That's what I'm saying the public play into these scumbags hands , I know all about it , I'm in the biggest union in uk , public cause problems and you end up with everything sliding the other way.
As I said before watch George carlins American dream video on YouTube. It was predicted years ago. Loads of rights == cause problems to gov/ companies ..,. Hey Presto === no rights.
Loads of benefits during labour === no benefits under cameron
It's a polarisation of things that's impossible to stop because its in powerful peoples interest not the workers.
I'm not validating it. I'm explaining it.

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It's funny people moan alot about min wage in uk. Be thankful , as I've seen in NYC recently , it's not the USA type min wage £ 4 . 20 an hour !!!
Companies aren't interested in what people want. Just money.
Sometimes the gov want you to strike ! Look at the car crash Andy gilchrist made with the FBu a decade ago. " we want 30 k " well fireman got that and look at what they lost as a result.

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my son got a job there about 4 months ago ..still hasn't been givin any hours . its a joke

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Wirral council ...labour run have zero hours contract,....don't here them complaining much or the unite union

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Most budgets in business is wages. Fact. Save money == get rid of people.
I'm British but I hate the uk it's turned into a consumer wasteland of heart less generic cities that ring the tills but go five miles its an economic and crime crap hole.
" the game is rigged, the tables tilted" as carlin said , years ago.
I hate it when students go on about tax evasion , it's legal for gods sake , it's in their interest to keep it up - - business the gov and corporations , don't bother with vodaphone it's your gov that's helping them.
They love to miss direct blame. There's laws drawn up to make the uk a better tax haven than Europe. Wake up !! You're getting shafted even more. It's unstoppable

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Originally Posted by svenlock68
Most budgets in business is wages. Fact. Save money == get rid of people.
I'm British but I hate the uk it's turned into a consumer wasteland of heart less generic cities that ring the tills but go five miles its an economic and crime crap hole.
" the game is rigged, the tables tilted" as carlin said , years ago.
I hate it when students go on about tax evasion , it's legal for gods sake , it's in their interest to keep it up - - business the gov and corporations , don't bother with vodaphone it's your gov that's helping them.
They love to miss direct blame. There's laws drawn up to make the uk a better tax haven than Europe. Wake up !! You're getting shafted even more. It's unstoppable
Tax evasion is illegal, tax avoidance is legal.

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It's just a word. Did you see panorama this week ? Did you know labour and cameron party is set up as a company to get tax benefits from accountant giants kpmg?
They're taking the pee everyday and you go about a word. It doesn't matter. Like all regulators in the uk. They're useless and weak. All these tax alliance advisors == no power to stop it

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People are so dumb down by controlled media and polarised daily mail bigoted views. We make nothing , it's all sold off ,we just consume materialism like fat yanks.
Politicians == incompetent sycophants that feather their nest. Once found out , there's lots of tv jobs to do to get a pay check
We have a ninja generation ==no jobs / income / assets
We moan about the media but have sky in our homes , what happened with levenson... Nothing.
We keep voting in dick heads who rape our pensions jobs tax money etc etc and yet believe it'll change. We are the cash cow of their incompetence .
We go on about being animal lovers but that's only nice little dogs etc
Do we apply that to our pigs / dairy cows/ fish / horses ? No they're our food !
We still believe in the bogey man == all religion.
We believe our weak police force weak courts weak regulators have any say == no !!! Wake up.
We think we're powerful as a race yet a fire tsunami virus war wipes us off the earth rightly very easily
For me the dumbest animal on earth is humans. We never learn.

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I'd advise anyone reading this thread who thinks the human race is top of the tree watch ; earthlings , food inc , inside job , our daily bread , Enron smartest guys in the room , Oliver stones south of the border , or even fiction from fact movies like casino jack about lobbyists.
Or the great awesome high intellect George carlins " religion is bull s h I t ,saving the planet , modern man , American dream , life is worth losing "
Boy was George right ( rip )

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Without hijacking the original posters point .... Why has the uk got to this point ?! Because big companies with the influence and money have bullied the gov into it. People of influence and power want it this way to make max profits. We have no soul as a country anymore , we make some pricey cars and weapons. Oh yes and half our GDP is from guess what ,,,,? Banking. Exactly.
It's a big circle.
People on the dole aren't responsible for it or the old or public services or labour spending.. It's companies , banks etc etc.

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Always remember humans are the biggest hypocrites .. We're moaning on here about poor wages but somewhere in the world a foreigner is working flat out to earn a pittance so we can enjoy our fave brand cheap products here. Always remember that .....
It could be far worse.

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Funnily enough , my point was re enforced last night on bbc one.
poor people in Pakistan working 18 hour days illegally in locked cramped dangerous factories for 2 pound a day.....so I don't think weve got the right to complain.
One guy "were like prisoners/slaves making western clothes " he said
The west is often diss connected from the poverty / conditions/lack of welfare their consuming desire for cheap products causes.....but hey we don't care do we cause we don't see it.
Its the same with animal cruelty in slaughter houses ,a remote hidden world , as long as we don't see it.....we don't care, as long as our meat is cheap and we have the false marketed perception its treated well.
True poverty doesn't exist in the this country because if you open your eyes or travel a lot like I do you'll see people living in utter squalor with nothing.
"Poverty " here is going to a food banks, not having a big enough tv or enough dole.....
We've got it good.

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