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Originally Posted by Gibbo
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yes of course it's a tax Rottlady, if it was just to free up larger houses then they'd work with the housing associations to house people "appropriately" and not slap charges on those who can least afford it.


They've been trying to do this for years, its not worked. People - especially older people - simply didn't want to move.


old people don't have to move.

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Originally Posted by taylor4898
Moan moan moan...so you have to pay some rent for your extra room/s.

Maybe put more effort into working...if you can protest and play on the internet all day..a few hours work instead and you'll earn enough to pay your rent!! Honest its been happening for years, people paying rent..welcome to the real world!!

Why should the taxpayer pay for people to have spare bedrooms???


EXACTLY, and people in work are being treated just as unfairly with wages/hours cut and still have to find the money to pay their rent/mortgage.

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What exactly do you have to pay?


You obviously aren't keeping up with the point of this thread at all! What people who are effected by this tax have to pay is the difference between their rent and the benefit they receive which in the event of them having one too many bedrooms than the law says they need is 14% of their rent and with two too many is 25% of their rent. It's not difficult to understand!


Oh, I'm keeping up perfectly well; I just object to the word "tax" being used (because it's more emotive), than "benefit limitation". You may or may not realise that this restriction has been in operation for years when private sector tenants claim housing benefit: why should those in public housing not be treated the same?


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Originally Posted by granny


Benefit cap from April 15th.

The cap - which will apply to England, Scotland and Wales - is estimated to be £350 per week for a single adult with no children and £500 per week for a couple or lone parent


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Whatever will they do with only £500 a week.

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Of course it's a tax, it's not voluntary. Where are all these jobs that are being mentioned? But I agree that many people in work are suffering poverty especially if they are in the public sector.

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Originally Posted by Bennie
Of course it's a tax, it's not voluntary. Where are all these jobs that are being mentioned? But I agree that many people in work are suffering poverty especially if they are in the public sector.


Not being voluntary is not a good definition of a tax. If you want to ride on a bus or a train, you pay; that's not voluntary but you don't call it a tax; it's payment for value received.

Your definition of poverty clearly differs from mine.


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Benefit cap from April 15th.

The cap - which will apply to England, Scotland and Wales - is estimated to be £350 per week for a single adult with no children and £500 per week for a couple or lone parent


:r:No single person gets £350 per Wk, no couple without children gets £500 per Wk claiming JOBSEEKERS ALLOWANCE


Jobseeker's Allowance - GOV.UK
https://www.gov.uk/jobseekers-allowance/overview

Status Weekly amount
Single (under 25) Up to £56.25
Single (25 or over) Up to £71
Couples (both aged 18 or over) Up to £111.45
Lone parent (18 or over) Up to £71
Lone parent (under 18) Up to £56.25

EXAMPLE single person gets £71 a wk JSA, deduct that amount from £350, leaves £279, deduct £86.54 LHA if living in the private sector leaves £192.46. Rent in social housing is even less. Do you think the Govt, give the single claimants an extra £192.46 per wk, because they feel sorry for them.

Housing benefit rates in the private sector
These rates will be used for calculating all new claims from 1 April 2013.
Number of bedrooms Shared accommodation rate
(including single under 35's) 1 2 3 4
Weekly LHA rate (£) 64.90 86.54 103.85 126.00 141.51

I think even the most ignorant people on here, would be able to use the above 2 guides to work out what a married couple on JSA are entitled to.
The only exceptions would be people in reciept of DLA, not for much longer though, as Esther McVey MP for Wirral West, wants more than 300,000 disabled peoples sickness benefits cut when Disability Living Allowance is replaced by a new benefit, PIP from 8th APRIL
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/pol...ey-8413498.html

DO YOU STILL BELIEVE ALL THE TORY PROPAGANDA


Whatever will they do with only £500 a week.

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when rent is being paid any additional charge for nothing extra is therefore a tax, Rottylady is right only a very few prople get a lot of money. can you seriously compare this tax with bus fare? how much better it would be for them to negotiate with the housing associations for rehousing, but of course that wouldn't be seen as a big enough penalty.

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Im in the private rented sector I get hb but I still have to find £25 a month as the housing benefit doesn't cover all my rent.


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Private rent is higher than housing rent thats why most peoplw have to add to the hb. The amount people receive for hb in private housing is not being affected by the changes, just social housing

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Originally Posted by starakita
Im in the private rented sector I get hb but I still have to find £25 a month as the housing benefit doesn't cover all my rent.


You have to FIND £25 a month?! Bless the fook out of you, you poor hard-done-to lady.

How DARE this happen?!


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Im in the private rented sector I get hb but I still have to find £25 a month as the housing benefit doesn't cover all my rent.


You have to FIND £25 a month?! Bless the fook out of you, you poor hard-done-to lady.

How DARE this happen?!



What a nasty bitter person you are!

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WELL SAID NUDDY!

Incidentally IDS reckons he can live on £53 a week, there is a petition going to get him to prove this
http://www.change.org/petitions/iai...on&utm_term=permissions_dialog_false

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Originally Posted by nuddy
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Im in the private rented sector I get hb but I still have to find £25 a month as the housing benefit doesn't cover all my rent.


You have to FIND £25 a month?! Bless the fook out of you, you poor hard-done-to lady.

How DARE this happen?!



What a nasty bitter person you are!


Bitter I have to find FOURTY times this?!

Damn right I am.

I have my parents to thank for my bitterness.

For raising me with self respect.

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you might have self respect but you certainly have no manners!!alot of us work but that doesn't give us the right to be rude and horrible to people because their worried about roofs over their heads.

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