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Ido not form my oppinions from television,they are mine as yours are yours.

No it's not. DNA can be, and indeed has been, tampered with on quite a number of occasions.

Source?

if you take a life, and you are found guilty, you should face the death penalty end off.....not do time and be realeased after a few years, how much is it costing to keep these people in prision...we are too soft in the uk

How would you have given this lad and many others their life back.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18102336

One good example Bert.

Can anyone say if DNA is eliminated after clothes have been washed or dry cleaned?

It depends on the format the DNA is in; skin tissue (epithelia's) tend to be washed away unless "trapped" inside stitches, holes in buttons, zip teeth or similar.
Blood is going to stay, ignore the Persil advert, it's still there, all that has happened is the colour has been removed (technical explanations on Iron and Haemoglobin available on request ).
Hair is always useful, moreso if it still has the root attached, as without it it is only possible (at this time) to link Mitochondrial DNA (passed from mother to her children).

Thanks, very interesting Doc.
Why, therefore do we either recycle or donate our clothes to charity shops? Is that not a concern for obvious reasons?

The Stefan Ivan Kiszko case for one. A man who would have been executed if we still have the death penalty. I'm not just talking about cases that have happened, but also the potential for it to happen in the future.

Put them on death row and they have got years to clear their names if they are innocent.

No. Sometimes innocence is proven many years after someone has been convicted. At least with a life sentence, there's always the chance of an appeal or retrial if fresh evidence comes to light.

Ok, say you're the Home Secretary or Judge and you send a convicted murderer to the be executed. Later on, after being executed, evidence comes to light that they were actually innocent. Does that make you a murderer too? Should you be hung too? Where does it all stop?

Some of the people convicted of murder in the UK but later overturned:

The Guildford Four;
The Birmingham Six;
Stephen Downing;
Barry George;
Stefan Kiszko;
Judith Ward;
The Bridgewater Four;
Sean Hodgson;
Winston Scott;
The Cardiff Three;
Sally Clark;
Donna Anthony;
Suzanne Hodsworth;
Barri White;
Keith Hyatt;
Oscar Slater.

Some of the people executed by the UK Government and later pardoned:

Timothy Evans;
George Kelly;
Mahmood Hussein Mattan;
Derek Bentley.

The list in countries such as China and the USA is considerably longer.

With you on most of this Touchstone (for a change ) but what would you consider to be a deterrent? There has to be one, in an effort to protect the innocents from being murdered.

Are there too many psychopaths wandering our streets with access to vulnerable people? Should they be locked away to protect others as they used to be?

Should paranoid schizophrenics continue to have care in the community?

Should people under the watch of Social Services be allowed to have children in their homes?

Or should a life sentence mean life without reprieve?


I don't know, but would think the latter might be of some benefit. The reason behind these horrendous crimes is something else which needs addressing.

If anyone of us lost a child in such a manner maybe we would not be debating.
The mother of Keith Bennett must have been eaten away for the last 46 years. Brady and Hindley got life, but Mrs (Bennett) Johnson also got life.

I would sooner be hung wrongly than locked up for anywhere between 5-50 years wrongly then aquitted because of new evidence.

How would you know that you would rather be hung? You, like me and everyone else on Wikiwirral, have never faced the prospect of being killed for something you never did.