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With you on most of this Touchstone (for a change  ) but what would you consider to be a deterrent? There has to be one, in an effort to protect the innocents from being murdered. Are there too many psychopaths wandering our streets with access to vulnerable people? Should they be locked away to protect others as they used to be? Should paranoid schizophrenics continue to have care in the community? Should people under the watch of Social Services be allowed to have children in their homes? Or should a life sentence mean life without reprieve? I don't know, but would think the latter might be of some benefit. The reason behind these horrendous crimes is something else which needs addressing. If anyone of us lost a child in such a manner maybe we would not be debating. The mother of Keith Bennett must have been eaten away for the last 46 years. Brady and Hindley got life, but Mrs (Bennett) Johnson also got life. Nice to be on the same page as you on this issue, Granny. I'm sure we actually agree on more subjects than you think. Not the Monarchy though!  To try an address some of your points, it's such a complicated issue. I really think we need to take all the emotional stuff out of it. Doesn't help people think straight. There are some sick buggers out there who should never be released. The likes of Brady, Huntley, Rose West, Peter Tobin [Bible John?] etc. Their crimes are so bad they must stay locked up for the rest of their lives. There are many people with mental illnesses walking round. One only has to spend a little time in Birkenhead Town Centre to see this. One of the reasons is to save money. The government and local authorities have slashed mental health and care budgets over the last 30 years so many people don't have access to the help they need. It also leaves the general public vulnerable as Care In The Community is such a cheap alternative. In this country, we moan about paying taxes and demand spending cuts. Well that results in less and lower quality public services. This is one of the results. Regarding a deterrent; yes we need one. However, Capital Punishment isn't an effective or ethical one. The USA has far higher murder rates. I've heard figures of around 15,000 a year over there compared to about 700 in the UK. A massive difference. One answer could be more academic studies of murderers. Try and see what makes them tick. What makes one human carry out a premeditated murder. Finally, I don't think Keith Bennet's mother will ever find out. Brady either has no intention, or probably has forgotten where he buried the poor lad. It's very sad for her as I believe she only has a few months to live.
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life should mean life, not half the sentence and out after a few years, if they are lifers, why should we keep them at a very high cost to the taxpayer,hang them take their life too.america has a much larger population than us , and you can access guns very easily,we all have our thoughts, but the quality of people now has headed south i am sorry to say
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life should mean life, not half the sentence and out after a few years, if they are lifers, why should we keep them at a very high cost to the taxpayer,hang them take their life too.america has a much larger population than us , and you can access guns very easily,we all have our thoughts, but the quality of people now has headed south i am sorry to say The US has about five times our population but around twenty times the murder rate. Hang them? And if they later turn out be innocent?
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I would sooner be hung wrongly than locked up for anywhere between 5-50 years wrongly then aquitted because of new evidence. How would you know that you would rather be hung? You, like me and everyone else on Wikiwirral, have never faced the prospect of being killed for something you never did. Because I know my own mind, I would honestly sooner be hung wrongly than locked up as a nonce for years, the mental damage would be worse.
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id d.n.a. is conclusive and witness statements watertight, and maybe an admission, then like everything else you will always get one that slips the net guilty or innocent.
how many guilty people walk free for one reason or another.
other countries are firmer than us.
look at the arabs...jailed for kissing there.
in this country people know they get off lightly, so there is not a lot of a deterent, is there? people have lost their lives because of a drunk driver, and had a very light sentence, where is justice there you have to ask yourself,
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this is a very emotive topic and we all have opinions, its good to air them
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