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some people cant win can they,  if he did not interfere everyone would call him all the bitchs under the sun. there should be more men like him not afraid to step in and help someone or somethink  This is different from stepping in to help someone getting robbed etc, this is a dog fight.
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The difference being the baby had no choice, the baby was attacked, as far as we know for no reason. The man had a choice, didn't have to get involved. I think it would be totally different if the man was minding his own business and was attacked, but by all accounts he wasn't. Bollocks, your right in one way but how (unless the dog/dogs were ordered to attack) is it the owners fault? Who said it was the owners fault ?
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The difference being the baby had no choice, the baby was attacked, as far as we know for no reason. The man had a choice, didn't have to get involved. I think it would be totally different if the man was minding his own business and was attacked, but by all accounts he wasn't. Bollocks, your right in one way but how (unless the dog/dogs were ordered to attack) is it the owners fault? Who said it was the owners fault ? Get on topic burt, i was on about my previous comment/question... Why is the owner not getting charged with manslaughter? Hmmm, i asked the question due to the grandmother of the child that got attacked by a dog last year, she was charged with manslaughter.
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IIRC, it is not considered to be a criminal matter if the attack was on private property. I'd have to try and find the specific bit of legislation that covers it.
I know that under the Dangerous Dogs Act, anyone allowing a dog to be dangerously out of control in a public place – or a private place where the dog was not permitted to be - was guilty of an offence. If the dog actually injured someone, the person in charge of the dog was guilty of an aggravated offence.
I think that the problem lies with the fact that under the DDA, if the attack happens in the dogs "home" then the owner cannot be prosecuted as it's not a criminal offence. It was his housemates' dog, therefore it was also the dogs home. Unfortunate but that's the Law. There would also not be a destruction order made, although he made that decision himself.
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some people cant win can they, if he did not interfere everyone would call him all the bitchs under the sun. there should be more men like him not afraid to step in and help someone or somethink This is different from stepping in to help someone getting robbed etc, this is a dog fight. same thing in my eyes.
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I'm on topic ste, Who said it was the owners fault, its not in the news report, On the other the grandmother was responsible for the baby.
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IIRC, it is not considered to be a criminal matter if the attack was on private property. I'd have to try and find the specific bit of legislation that covers it.
I know that under the Dangerous Dogs Act, anyone allowing a dog to be dangerously out of control in a public place – or a private place where the dog was not permitted to be - was guilty of an offence. If the dog actually injured someone, the person in charge of the dog was guilty of an aggravated offence.
I think that the problem lies with the fact that under the DDA, if the attack happens in the dogs "home" then the owner cannot be prosecuted as it's not a criminal offence. It was his housemates' dog, therefore it was also the dogs home. Unfortunate but that's the Law. There would also not be a destruction order made, although he made that decision himself. Thanks PJ 
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I'm on topic ste, Who said it was the owners fault, its not in the news report, On the other the grandmother was responsible for the baby. You know what i`m talking about burt.... What?
Wheres the manslaughter charge to the owner??? I did point that out to you before Do you own a Canine burt? BTW PJ has answered my question, but hey, don`t let me stop you 
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What about the legislation before DDA, did any of that survive?
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If the person was left in charge of the dogs, willingly, then it would appear the owner can't be done for manslaughter, but this leaves a massive loophole in the law as this case shows - you can even admit that the dogs were dangerous and could probably kill someone and still get away with it, hmmmmmm
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[quote=bert1]I'm on topic ste, Who said it was the owners fault, its not in the news report, On the other the grandmother was responsible for the baby. You know what i`m talking about burt.... What? Wheres the manslaughter charge to the owner???[/quote I did point that out to you before Do you own a Canine burt? BTW PJ has answered my question, but hey, don`t let me stop you I do and have had dogs all my life, including German Shepherds.
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If the person was left in charge of the dogs, willingly, then it would appear the owner can't be done for manslaughter, but this leaves a massive loophole in the law as this case shows - you can even admit that the dogs were dangerous and could probably kill someone and still get away with it, hmmmmmm Good point DD 
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What about the legislation before DDA, did any of that survive? I don't think so hon, I'd have to have a nose.
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I do and have had dogs all my life, including German Shepherds.
Exellent, i too grew up with a German Shepherd At the parents house, my cause for concern was due to me, also being a dog owner. I own a Rottwieler, these dogs are highly overrated to be aggressive and nasty, thats bullshit, it depends on who has brought them up. But, if anything did happen and my dog did something wrong it would be plastered all over the news and exaggerated a lot. Then i`d be done for manslaughter. PJ has set my mind at rest now anyway, lol
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Whats being forgotten here is these 2 dogs may not even been considered dangerous, even by the person who tried to separate them, hence the reason he tried, but it should be made clear to anyone who considers separating fighting dogs, you in turn become the potential enemy.
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