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#250450 - 23rd Aug 2008 10:50am Oxton & the Shrewsbury connection
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You will all know Shrewsbury Road. It's named for the Earl of Shrewsbury, who must have owned land in Oxton in the past. Other road names with this connection are Alton Rd., which is named for Alton Towers which was his main house. Talbot Rd., Talbot is the family name of the Earls of Shrewsbury, also the name of a family estate in Bordeaux; Château Talbot, which produces an excellent claret, but more expensive than I can afford! Chetwynd Rd. & Ingestre Rd. are named after another of his estates near Newport in Shropshire. There may well be others. Anybody know?
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#250488 - 23rd Aug 2008 1:30pm Re: Oxton & the Shrewsbury connection [Re: chriskay]
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Never knew them Chris, very interesting.

Just looked a few up myself.

The family name of the Earls of Shrewsbury seems to be Talbet, not Talbot?

Originally Posted By: www.british-history.ac.uk
The Earl of Shrewsbury died in 1590. Mr. Beaver (fn. 6) tells us that "The house at Chelsea appears to have been bequeathed by him to his widow, Bess of Hardwick, who survived him seventeen years, and bequeathed all her estates to her son William by her second husband, Sir William Cavendish.

This son was created Baron Cavendish and afterwards Earl of Devonshire by James I


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Maybe thats where Devonshire Place & Devonshire Road comes from?


Beresford Road - Derrived from Beresford Gardens in Shrewsbury?
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#250524 - 23rd Aug 2008 5:56pm Re: Oxton & the Shrewsbury connection [Re: BMW Joe]
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The connection goes further than that. The Diocese of Shrewsbury which to this day still controls the RC churches in Birkenhead still has a base in Birkenhead Park (cole st entrance)and sometime in the past the Bishop of Shrewsbury decided that he was need more in the Birkenhead area and relocated to the Oxton area .


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#250552 - 23rd Aug 2008 7:19pm Re: Oxton & the Shrewsbury connection [Re: jonno40]
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very interesting think

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#250569 - 23rd Aug 2008 8:03pm Re: Oxton & the Shrewsbury connection [Re: jonno40]
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Originally Posted By: jonno40
The connection goes further than that. The Diocese of Shrewsbury which to this day still controls the RC churches in Birkenhead still has a base in Birkenhead Park (cole st entrance)and sometime in the past the Bishop of Shrewsbury decided that he was need more in the Birkenhead area and relocated to the Oxton area .


Quite right, Jonno; he had a house in Eleanor Rd.
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#250577 - 23rd Aug 2008 8:16pm Re: Oxton & the Shrewsbury connection [Re: BMW Joe]
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Originally Posted By: BMW Joe
Never knew them Chris, very interesting.

Just looked a few up myself.

The family name of the Earls of Shrewsbury seems to be Talbet, not Talbot?

Spellings vary over the years; I've not seen that one

Originally Posted By: www.british-history.ac.uk
The Earl of Shrewsbury died in 1590. Mr. Beaver (fn. 6) tells us that "The house at Chelsea appears to have been bequeathed by him to his widow, Bess of Hardwick, who survived him seventeen years, and bequeathed all her estates to her son William by her second husband, Sir William Cavendish.

This son was created Baron Cavendish and afterwards Earl of Devonshire by James I


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Maybe thats where Devonshire Place & Devonshire Road comes from?

Yes, that's quite likely.


Beresford Road - Derrived from Beresford Gardens in Shrewsbury?



I don't know Beresford Gardens here in Shrewsbury. Where did you find it?
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#250957 - 25th Aug 2008 12:36am Re: Oxton & the Shrewsbury connection [Re: chriskay]
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Eleanor Rd - the bishop sure knew how to live!
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#251000 - 25th Aug 2008 9:20am Re: Oxton & the Shrewsbury connection [Re: MissGuided]
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Eleanor Rd - the bishop sure knew how to live!

Yep. He should have been in the North End with his flock. wink
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#825122 - 16th Sep 2013 2:13pm Re: Oxton & the Shrewsbury connection [Re: chriskay]
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Apparently Oxton would not look like it is without the mess that one of the later (1880's) Shrewsbury's made of the family fortune - which resulted in large tracts of land being sold to developers.

Paradoxically, this also led to some parts of old Oxton being upgraded and 'gentrified', when previously much of it had been tenant farms etc.

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#826608 - 21st Sep 2013 9:08pm Re: Oxton & the Shrewsbury connection [Re: MissGuided]
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Originally Posted By: MissGuided
Eleanor Rd - the bishop sure knew how to live!


I used to deliver parcels to his house in Eleanor road. His servants, sorry nuns were miserable people who could barely if ever say thank you.

Never understood why Shrewsbury yet his HQ was Birkenhead?

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#826617 - 21st Sep 2013 10:06pm Re: Oxton & the Shrewsbury connection [Re: Helles]
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Originally Posted By: Helles


Never understood why Shrewsbury yet his HQ was Birkenhead?


Because the Catholic diocese of Shrewsbury included Birkenhead. There's a "Bishop's House" in Shrewsbury, but not many catholics; the bulk were in Birkenhead so one of the bishops in the past decided that would be the best place to be. (But he insisted on a decent address). grin
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#827509 - 25th Sep 2013 1:59pm Re: Oxton & the Shrewsbury connection [Re: Helles]
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Originally Posted By: Helles
[quote=MissGuided]
Never understood why Shrewsbury yet his HQ was Birkenhead?


He was only Bishop of Birkenhead - the Archbishop for the diocese was in Shrewsbury.....

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#827523 - 25th Sep 2013 4:47pm Re: Oxton & the Shrewsbury connection [Re: bigpete]
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Originally Posted By: Helles
[quote=MissGuided]
Never understood why Shrewsbury yet his HQ was Birkenhead?


He was only Bishop of Birkenhead - the Archbishop for the diocese was in Shrewsbury.....


Sorry, bigpete, that's plain wrong.
The Catholic diocese of Shrewsbury includes all of Wirral. The cathedral is in Shrewsbury, but the bishop lives in Birkenhead.
The diocese of Shrewsbury, together with the diocese of Clifton (Bristol) and the Archdiocese of Birmingham form the Ecclesiastical Province of Birmingham. Only the Archdiocese of Birmingham has an Archbishop.
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#827575 - 25th Sep 2013 6:55pm Re: Oxton & the Shrewsbury connection [Re: chriskay]
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That's right - there is a Bishop of Birkenhead, but he's an Anglican bishop, not a Roman Catholic one. He's a suffragan bishop in the Church of England diocese of Chester.

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#827738 - 26th Sep 2013 2:10pm Re: Oxton & the Shrewsbury connection [Re: chriskay]
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Ah that expains it then Chris..

I am a heathen and more interested in ecclesiastical architecture than the 'good book' and it's diverse followers....

That's weird though - so Birkenhead has no Catholic Bishop - they are actually the Bishop of Shrewsbury - but choose to live in Birkenhead...?, just curious as Shrewsbury is lovely and presumably more historical religous connections....

Thanks Cobby, did not know that....

BTW - did you know that Welshpool actually falls under the diocese of St Asaph....

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