Our Success is in our members who value our strength as a valued community.
Forum Stats
12257 Members
65 Forums
72911 Topics
983067 Posts
158 posts in the last 24hrs
Max Online: 7831 @ 8th Apr 2013 4:18pm
Who's Online - Click Me
84 registered (alan128, 13 invisible), 1937 Guests and 325 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Social Media : Follow Us


(Views 7days)This Weeks Most Read
Boom : New Ferry Explosion 2670
Death at Leasowe Train Station 575
Huge Gas Explosion in New Ferry Sat 25/03/17 470
Planet Earth Tonight 306
Has Talktalk been hacked yet again? 269
Snowhite's Bird Rescue 236
Reclaimed floorboards needed. 222
Activate Trip Computer on Astra J 175
Article 50 160
Another Terrorist Attack ? -London Islington 124
New General Forums
hi
by norma67
26th Mar 2017 7:42pm
Clocks go Forward
by Mark
25th Mar 2017 3:01pm
Mannequin Challenge AKA MRI Scan
by fish5133
24th Mar 2017 11:20am
Surely the most honest add.....
by buddy
20th Mar 2017 5:43pm
New Wirral History
information on picture frame maker
by locomotive
Today at 06:53 PM
William Bernard's building, Birkenhead
by yoller
20th Mar 2017 4:27pm
1882 Plan of the borough of Birkenhead and Wards
by Dave_Wood
19th Mar 2017 11:57am
New Brighton Coop
by Mike_White
9th Mar 2017 12:48pm
Tranmere High School for Girls 1882 Chesnut Grove
by sarah708
6th Mar 2017 8:23pm
Forum Tips
Photo Gallery Forums
Birkenhead Transport Museum 24th Feb 2017
fireworks on the Mersey last night
Topic Replies
live webcam from africa, a must see
by rocks
13 minutes 52 seconds ago
Penrhyn Castle - Bangor
by cools
47 minutes 58 seconds ago
'March' Photo Competition.
by granny
49 minutes 26 seconds ago
Weaver Hall Museum And Workhouse
by diggingdeeper
Today at 10:25 PM
Lion Salt Works - Near Northwich
by diggingdeeper
Today at 09:47 PM
information on picture frame maker
by diggingdeeper
Today at 09:01 PM
'Rescue Me' Charity Walk
by RUDEBOX
Today at 06:59 PM
What song are you listening to?
by eggandchips
Today at 05:27 PM
4 Ink cartridge (C526) for Canon MG 5300 Printer
by goodoldphil
Today at 03:36 PM
March
M Tu W Th F Sa Su
1 2 3 4 5
6 7 8 9 10 11 12
13 14 15 16 17 18 19
20 21 22 23 24 25 26
27 28 29 30 31
Recent Posts : What's On ?
Penrhyn Castle - Bangor
by cools
47 minutes 58 seconds ago
Weaver Hall Museum And Workhouse
by diggingdeeper
Today at 10:25 PM
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >
Topic Options
Rate This Topic
#143361 - 24th Nov 2006 12:43pm Speeding Through Red Light
rossi-foci Offline
Smartchild

Registered: 4th Oct 2004
Posts: 467
Loc: Wirral
Right, my brother has had a letter informing him that he has been caught going through a Red Light at 35mph.

As he has not sent back the form yet, it doesn't say what the actual penalty is.

Does anyone know the likely outcome?

Top
Law & Order : Advertising
Click me for more Information......


Looking for a Service / Tradesman? Look in our Local Business Directory. Click Me
#143362 - 24th Nov 2006 12:47pm Re: Speeding Through Red Light [Re: rossi-foci]
scoop Offline
Wiki Addict

Registered: 18th Nov 2004
Posts: 7238
Loc: Leuchars
the likely outcome is,i can only imagine, at least 3 points and a fine for the speeding,at least 3 points and a fine for the red light,and if he's unlucky,dangerous driving charge aswell. how long has he been driving? very silly of him to run a red,especially at speed
_________________________

Top
#143363 - 24th Nov 2006 1:04pm Re: Speeding Through Red Light [Re: scoop]
rossi-foci Offline
Smartchild

Registered: 4th Oct 2004
Posts: 467
Loc: Wirral
He's been driving 18months, but is a regional manager for quite a big company, so the possibility of a ban is slight as he relies on driving for work.

The offence itself was from June 06..but because its a company car its taken this long to get to him. It was 35mph in a 30 zone, and he says he doesn't remember it but wouldnt jump a blatent red light, so was probably amber going through red but he won't find out the other details until they return the form.

A dual offence is often taken as 5 points aparantly. I.E. Undertaking at speed is 5 points, as it is classed as dual offence, so its not very clear

Top
#143366 - 24th Nov 2006 2:14pm Re: Speeding Through Red Light [Re: rossi-foci]
StuyMac Offline

Wiki Master

Registered: 24th Nov 2003
Posts: 12002
Loc: Wirralshire
AFAIK the offence will either be running a red light or speeding confused

Ive never seen the speed camera time lines running accross a trafic light junction.

I think he needs to get more info first and clarify what the actualy offence is, maybe the offence code?

Either way, for either offence, I belive its a 60 fine and 3 points.
_________________________


What If There Were No Hypothetical Questions?

Top
#143368 - 24th Nov 2006 2:16pm Re: Speeding Through Red Light [Re: rossi-foci]
MattLFC Offline
Wiki Master

Registered: 14th Aug 2004
Posts: 22315
Loc: Moreton/Beirut/Mobile
Iirc, if he is in the first 2 years of driving and gets 6 points, its an automatic license revoke, not an issue for the courts to decide.

So the likelyhood of him being able to argue that he needs the license for work is unlikely to make a difference.

I think it will most probably be 3 points and a fine though.

Top
#143371 - 24th Nov 2006 2:52pm Re: Speeding Through Red Light [Re: MattLFC]
rossi-foci Offline
Smartchild

Registered: 4th Oct 2004
Posts: 467
Loc: Wirral
Yeh, I assume 3 points and a fine too but he will have to wait and see what he gets back.

Although its an automatic liscence revoke after 6 points, if they are in one offense and that offense is contested, the court can make a decision depending on mitigating circumstances.
A girl I know got 3 points, then contested the next 3 and was allowed it on the ground that a lisence revoke would have affected livelihood.

Will let you know what the outcome is.

Top
#143374 - 24th Nov 2006 4:36pm Re: Speeding Through Red Light [Re: StuyMac]
scoop Offline
Wiki Addict

Registered: 18th Nov 2004
Posts: 7238
Loc: Leuchars
Originally Posted By: StuyMac
Ive never seen the speed camera time lines running accross a trafic light junction.


thats a very good point,they can't PROVE he was speeding so he can only get done for running the red. i'd speak to a solicitor but im pretty sure they CANT do him for speeding
_________________________

Top
#143376 - 24th Nov 2006 5:03pm Re: Speeding Through Red Light [Re: scoop]
Mark Online   Reading


Wiki Master

Registered: 9th Nov 2003
Posts: 21031
Loc: Wirral
Can you rememeber about 18months ago
where there was the New Chief of Police in Midlesbrough,
he was the one that brought in the "ZERO TOLLERANCE"

Well his car got a simular ticket which turned up
6months later or so.

But the point was they couldnt procercute as no
one could remember who was driving.

So he got off with it, i'm sure i posted somthing
about it but cant find it.

I think your brother needs to establish

Who was driving the car First - Then worry about his licence.

Hope that helps ?
_________________________
My Avatar images are all from the Wirral Gallery.Click Me
Wow Wirral History is coming along Great! Wirral History

we get +200 new members a month now smile

Top
#143384 - 24th Nov 2006 6:32pm Re: Speeding Through Red Light [Re: Mark]
Gary Offline
Forum Addict

Registered: 22nd Dec 2003
Posts: 1328
Loc: Wirral
are there cameras on traffic lights so if u jump one you can get caught?? or are they the ones that just look like speed cameras?

Top
#143386 - 24th Nov 2006 7:22pm Re: Speeding Through Red Light [Re: Gary]
rossi-foci Offline
Smartchild

Registered: 4th Oct 2004
Posts: 467
Loc: Wirral
I;m not sure, I mean, the whole issue is a bit murkey, and he is going to speak to the lawyers who represent his company I think.

But the fact it was 6 months ago, and is a company car that could have been used by anyone that works for him means it wont be crystal clear!

It doesn't actuaally state in this first letter he has how he got caught, so i suspect maybe he was spotted by police who didnt pull him over because it would mean them jumping them too...

Its all very hard to decifer. I mean, he drives a new a3 and is quite a repsectful driver, and swears that it must have been amber just hitting red, as he isnt a scally in a chavalier that might plow through a blatent red!

I Guess we'll have to see how it pans out!

Top
#143390 - 24th Nov 2006 11:20pm Re: Speeding Through Red Light [Re: rossi-foci]
Mark Online   Reading


Wiki Master

Registered: 9th Nov 2003
Posts: 21031
Loc: Wirral
Keep us updated as the picture becomes clearer smile
_________________________
My Avatar images are all from the Wirral Gallery.Click Me
Wow Wirral History is coming along Great! Wirral History

we get +200 new members a month now smile

Top
#143391 - 25th Nov 2006 12:00am Re: Speeding Through Red Light [Re: Mark]
MattLFC Offline
Wiki Master

Registered: 14th Aug 2004
Posts: 22315
Loc: Moreton/Beirut/Mobile
Originally Posted By: rossi-foci
I mean, he drives a new a3 and is quite a repsectful driver, and swears that it must have been amber just hitting red, as he isnt a scally in a chavalier that might plow through a blatent red!
Im afraid a red light camera does not flash you if you go through the light on amber, it gets you a second or so after the red light has become active.

So no matter what he says, me "must" have jumped a red light, not been looking at the lights or been going far too fast to stop for it.

The innocence story doesnt wash with me im afraid. He may be a careful driver and it probably was a genuine mistake, but it certainly was him in the wrong if he has been caught jumping a red light.

wink

Top
#143393 - 25th Nov 2006 1:01am Re: Speeding Through Red Light [Re: MattLFC]
jimbo4x4 Offline
Forum Master

Registered: 3rd Mar 2004
Posts: 2912
Loc: Bebington
Just so you know, the police are supposed to get in contact with a "notice of intended prosecution" within 14 days of a traffic offence. I know this is true for SP30's (breaking the speed limit), but not entirely sure about other traffic offences. If it arrives outside this time it must come with an explanation. If it goes to court this could be worth bringing up?

Top
#143394 - 25th Nov 2006 3:57am Re: Speeding Through Red Light [Re: jimbo4x4]
MattLFC Offline
Wiki Master

Registered: 14th Aug 2004
Posts: 22315
Loc: Moreton/Beirut/Mobile
It seems they did explain to him that the delay was because it was a company car Jimbo.

wink

Top
#143398 - 25th Nov 2006 11:24am Re: Speeding Through Red Light [Re: MattLFC]
Scooby Offline
Forum Veteran

Registered: 9th Nov 2003
Posts: 5327
Loc: Birkenhead, Wirral.
Persue these issues :

1. 14 Days (Notice of prosection)

2. Loss of livleyhood (keeps his licence even with 6 points)

3. Obtain a copy of the evidence (If picture was taken of the rear of the car he could sell the points if his job is that important) Say someone else was driving.

4. Deny he was driving that company car on that day (Company is legally obliged to keep records of who drives what car and when)

You can research these issues easily via google.

Top
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >

Moderator:  Mod 
Random Wirral Images

Click to View Topic.
Newest Topics
Weaver Hall Museum And Workhouse
by diggingdeeper
Today at 10:23 PM
Lion Salt Works - Near Northwich
by diggingdeeper
Today at 09:45 PM
Penrhyn Castle - Bangor
by diggingdeeper
Today at 09:15 PM
'Rescue Me' Charity Walk
by RUDEBOX
Today at 06:59 PM
information on picture frame maker
by locomotive
Today at 06:53 PM
For Sale & Free
4 Ink cartridge (C526) for Canon MG 5300 Printer
by goodoldphil
Today at 03:36 PM
Sky HD 2TB box
by chris123
Yesterday at 06:02 PM
Astra Car Mats
by chris123
Yesterday at 05:59 PM
195 65 R15 91H Car Tyre
by chris123
Yesterday at 05:57 PM
boxed 10 inch tablet for sale
by stumpyduck
26th Mar 2017 7:12pm
Featured Member
Registered: 2nd Nov 2011
Posts: 2368
Newest Members
Mr_Creosote, nickyrob32, GeorgeHand, BoilerEngineer, flipmodefly
12257 Registered Users
Today's Birthdays
No Birthdays
New Wirral Info
Weaver Hall Museum And Workhouse
by diggingdeeper
Today at 10:23 PM
Lion Salt Works - Near Northwich
by diggingdeeper
Today at 09:45 PM
Penrhyn Castle - Bangor
by diggingdeeper
Today at 09:15 PM
'Rescue Me' Charity Walk
by RUDEBOX
Today at 06:59 PM
Planet Earth Tonight
by granny
25th Mar 2017 11:50am
News : New Topics
Article 50
by granny
Yesterday at 11:13 PM
Death at Leasowe Train Station
by Mark
27th Mar 2017 10:02pm
KEYS found
by rocks
26th Mar 2017 11:48pm
Another Terrorist Attack ? -London Islington
by fish5133
26th Mar 2017 3:03pm
Huge Gas Explosion in New Ferry Sat 25/03/17
by Dogwalker59
26th Mar 2017 10:36am
New Enthusiast Forums
Activate Trip Computer on Astra J
by chris123
Yesterday at 06:06 PM
Will It Work For You
by granny
Yesterday at 08:26 AM
Snowhite's Bird Rescue
by diggingdeeper
26th Mar 2017 2:44am
Offset number plates
by venice
23rd Mar 2017 1:24am
File too large
by Dilly
20th Mar 2017 10:41am
(Views 24hrs)Trending Newest Topics
information on picture frame maker 35
'Rescue Me' Charity Walk 15
Lion Salt Works - Near Northwich 10
Penrhyn Castle - Bangor 8
Weaver Hall Museum And Workhouse 6
Wirral Sunrise Sunset
Sunrise Thu 6:48am
Sunset Thu 7:44pm
Local Time Thu 11:26pm
WikiWirral Can . . . .
Advertising Click me
To Advertise with
Wikiwirral Click Me