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Asylum and Rwanda #1083792
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Newspapers are making a big issue out of using Rwanda as holding centre for Asylum seekers and I genuinely don't see why.

Asylum is not about choosing to live in another country (migration), it is about leaving your country because you are unsafe through some form of discrimination. Unfortunately we have a lot of economic migrants attempting to claim asylum and we need a process to discourage that. Routine migration/immigration is a completely separate issue from asylum.

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A person who owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of his former habitual residence as a result of such events, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to it.


What is wrong with using Rwanda? It is providing a temporary safe place for asylum seekers while discouraging economic migrants attempting to claim asylum. Australia has been using a similar system for many years and it works well for them.


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Re: Asylum and Rwanda [Re: diggingdeeper] #1083793
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Certainly a vote winner for the Tories, But I believe we must do something.

Re: Asylum and Rwanda [Re: casper] #1083794
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Originally Posted by casper
Certainly a vote winner for the Tories, But I believe we must do something.


Yep, a vote winner in so much that they can use common sense 0.01% of the time, the other 99.99% of the time its more like the Cuckoos Nest, I mean, I thought the word "gathering" had weathered the test of time but apparently not in clown-speak.


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Re: Asylum and Rwanda [Re: diggingdeeper] #1083800
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What's wrong with it?

Well what happens if you are not granted asylum? Are you flown back to the UK? Or left in Rwanda? I suspect the latter.

The UN agreement to,which the UK is a signatory is clear that it is the asylums seekers right to choose which country to request asylum from. NOT the country they are in to decide for them. Shipping them to another country seems to fly in the face of thie

Thirdly it is the same sort of thinking employed by Americans who shipped prisoners abroad to countries where torture was allowed.

Finally what have you got against 'economic migrants'. The urge to better your position is universal and even admired. Even the tories are all for ambitious, aspirtional people.

Would I give a job to a character who had managed to travel across the world facing danger, border guards and god knows what other dangers to get here? You bet I would! He is evidently energetic, ambitious clever, has initiative and has the ability to think on his feet.

I'd be very happy to see the poison dwarf of the home office, Priti Patel, shipped out though.

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Originally Posted by Excoriator
Well what happens if you are not granted asylum? Are you flown back to the UK? Or left in Rwanda? I suspect the latter.

The same as happens now under international law, the failed asylum seeker either tries to find another country that will take them or they are returned to the country of origin.

Originally Posted by Excoriator
The UN agreement to,which the UK is a signatory is clear that it is the asylums seekers right to choose which country to request asylum from. NOT the country they are in to decide for them. Shipping them to another country seems to fly in the face of thie

It is an offshore processing centre, there is no question of moving them there permanently against their will.

Asylum seekers that come through the UN resettlement program and/or a UK resettlement program will not be sent to Rwanda.

Originally Posted by Excoriator
Finally what have you got against 'economic migrants'. The urge to better your position is universal and even admired. Even the tories are all for ambitious, aspirtional people.

I didn't say I had anything against economic migrants, don't try and put words in my mouth.


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Re: Asylum and Rwanda [Re: diggingdeeper] #1083802
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Not a new idea, the EU were doing it in 2019, and Denmark looked at it then and is doing so again now.


Europe Keeps Asylum Seekers at a Distance, This Time in Rwanda
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/08/world/europe/migrants-africa-rwanda.html

Its interesting how most Labour MPs are up in arms about it, but the Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer acknowledged something needed to be done a few years ago:

Labour MP Rachel Reeves: Riots could sweep streets of Britain if immigration is not curbed after Brexit
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...riots-uk-conference-speech-a7334266.html

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