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cools #1077095 5th May 2020 10:42pm
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Love you too babe. XXX

However, don't think creeping into my heart will let you off the hook.

It was the Guardian that reported that about refusing PPE 3 times.

Well, it so happens that it wouldn't have made any difference to the time factor at all, the EU still had to procure and got caught up in the waiting game :

“For the majority of PPE included in the EU scheme, the supply of items to participating countries is still subject to the European Commission signing off individual contracts with suppliers. [On] the placing of orders and negotiations on delivery schedules, we understand that participating countries may begin to receive PPE starting from two weeks after orders are placed, but delivery will be subject to the same demand pressures of all other procurement currently taking place."


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@ DD and anyone else who cares to view.

Rabbits in cages.. and lots more we can pour our hearts out over. None of it excusable, but Chinese animal welfare goes far and beyond in the opposite direction and has no similarity to western practices and absolutely no welfare standards at all ... and people fill their bodies with the stuff full of infections, cancers, etc.

Bear bile.




How to eradicate swine flu.



Do you want anymore ? There's plenty worse where they came from and the pangolins are too harsh to bare, just for their scales . somad


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Originally Posted by granny

Love you too babe. XXX

However, don't think creeping into my heart will let you off the hook.

It was the Guardian that reported that about refusing PPE 3 times.

Well, it so happens that it wouldn't have made any difference to the time factor at all, the EU still had to procure and got caught up in the waiting game :

“For the majority of PPE included in the EU scheme, the supply of items to participating countries is still subject to the European Commission signing off individual contracts with suppliers. [On] the placing of orders and negotiations on delivery schedules, we understand that participating countries may begin to receive PPE starting from two weeks after orders are placed, but delivery will be subject to the same demand pressures of all other procurement currently taking place."




Regardless of any waiting time best practice would have taken any avenue or any place in a queue to secure what we could, an opportunity turned down, because of arrogance, better to have at least tried,as I have said before if we don't get in the queue then the shelves will be empty when we decide to turn up.

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Watched the Scrutiny Committee this pm. Talk about confusing !

One senior scientist was giving all sorts of eventualities , different ways of calculating, how data is dealt with differently in different countries, and how normally there are 3000 deaths in Care Homes a week at this time of year throughout the UK.

That leads me to wonder why those who have died in Care Homes, apparently from Covid 19, were not admitted to hospital . Have they had medical assistance within the Care Homes, and why would they not be in hospital if they were so close to dying from the virus ?


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Another fine mess, who in their right mind would even mention that there might be the chance of a small adjustment to the lock down next week prior to a bank holiday, to the feckless and the just don't give a f---, its like giving the green light for jollies at the weekend or even today.

Or because I am very cynical, it might be a very clever move, if the figures should rise or not stay stable then who will be blamed? one guess would it be the people ignoring the ban.

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Everyone will be Cautious then gradually the caution will slowly fade to "Won't Be Me Am Healthy"
I will carry on staying in and Watch till next march as this is NOT going away.
Read a report that they had a Very good chance of getting rid of STD with everyone in lockdown and they blew it.
They should of Used TV Podium to get people to phone up to ask for swap kit and if wear infected treated them with postal medication Private and secretly so no embarrassment

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Or because I am very cynical, it might be a very clever move, if the figures should rise or not stay stable then who will be blamed? one guess would it be the people ignoring the ban.


But they will not find that out for around a week because it lays dormant before symptons are noticed.

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Originally Posted by granny
That leads me to wonder why those who have died in Care Homes, apparently from Covid 19, were not admitted to hospital . Have they had medical assistance within the Care Homes, and why would they not be in hospital if they were so close to dying from the virus ?


It was so much worse than that - people from care homes went to hospital, were diagnosed with coronavirus and sent back to the care homes with instructions to isolate.


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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
Originally Posted by granny
That leads me to wonder why those who have died in Care Homes, apparently from Covid 19, were not admitted to hospital . Have they had medical assistance within the Care Homes, and why would they not be in hospital if they were so close to dying from the virus ?


It was so much worse than that - people from care homes went to hospital, were diagnosed with coronavirus and sent back to the care homes with instructions to isolate.


Beginning to look like, there is indeed a policy to allocate resources / treatment on the basis or likely hood of the survival rate, wouldn't surprise me,I think it was policy and has been the intention all along we were talking to neighbours yesterday (2mtrs apart) and their son is a paramedic, he had to go from Wallasey to Haydock to be tested, what a shambles

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Originally Posted by casper
Beginning to look like, there is indeed a policy to allocate resources / treatment on the basis or likely hood of the survival rate, wouldn't surprise me


That was stated at one point. If there was a shortage of ventilators they were instructed to remove ventilators from existing patients with a probable poor outcome in favour of new patients with better prospects.

This is somewhat different to allocating resources based on priority, to remove a resource from a living patient based on a newer patient is only half a step away from hitting the big switch dependent on who walks through the door next - euthanasia by proxy!


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That leads me to wonder why those who have died in Care Homes, apparently from Covid 19, were not admitted to hospital . Have they had medical assistance within the Care Homes, and why would they not be in hospital if they were so close to dying from the virus ?


It was so much worse than that - people from care homes went to hospital, were diagnosed with coronavirus and sent back to the care homes with instructions to isolate.


Not good ! I wonder how often that happened and who was responsible for actually discharging those people. Poor souls.


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That leads me to wonder why those who have died in Care Homes, apparently from Covid 19, were not admitted to hospital . Have they had medical assistance within the Care Homes, and why would they not be in hospital if they were so close to dying from the virus ?


It was so much worse than that - people from care homes went to hospital, were diagnosed with coronavirus and sent back to the care homes with instructions to isolate.


Beginning to look like, there is indeed a policy to allocate resources / treatment on the basis or likely hood of the survival rate, wouldn't surprise me,I think it was policy and has been the intention all along we were talking to neighbours yesterday (2mtrs apart) and their son is a paramedic, he had to go from Wallasey to Haydock to be tested, what a shambles



Probably got something to do with the fact that North West Ambulance Service NHS Trust (NWAS) has it's head office in Bolton. Haydock is a tad nearer to Wallasey than Bolton.

Hopefully you have no need for an ambulance, Casper. but paramedics cover this area from all over the North West, not just local guys. Probably why it takes so long for one to arrive on many occasions. Going back to changes initiated in 2005.


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Well at last they are going to make people coming into UK isolate in units for 14 days. I think this is long overdue. I wonder if the plan is still herd immunity but obviously not overloading hospitals. I can't see any way out of this without us all having it and hopefully surviving but of course many won't. A lot of these elderly have debilitating illnesses and would have died naturally but now they all seem to have this covid-19.
I pray every morning I'll wake up and a vaccine has been found to eradicate this virus, but I know that's not going to be quite the way it will happen...

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I wonder if the plan is still herd immunity but obviously not overloading hospitals. I can't see any way out of this without us all having it and hopefully surviving but of course many won't. A lot of these elderly have debilitating illnesses and would have died naturally but now they all seem to have this covid-19.


I read an article in the Telegraph about their stance on herd immunity and they have decided not to carry on with this policy.
"Looking back, it was a moment that Sir Patrick Vallance may now view as regrettable"
But later in the article it states that herd immunity is a natural by-product of the virus so why go against their original train of thought?
Couldn't the vulnerable just stay on lockdown and let everyone else build up their immunity?
Because it will be going on forever before it is erradicated, if we don't build up an immunity.

Article here

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In the absence of a vaccine or effective treatment, the only possible course of action is herd immunity, though 60% is a tad on the low side and it would be very difficult to get an even spread of 60% round the country.

However it has to be controlled as it cannot be allowed to overload the country's infrastructure.

Only a small proportion of the country has so far had the disease, to the best of our knowledge. If it went rampant we could end up with half of the country laid up at the same time. Things would be affected eg

NHS would have a shortage of staff and a surplus of patients, many more would die through lack of basic treatments.

Manufacture and deliveries of everything would be affected, this includes food, medicine, fuel.

Basic infrastructure such as electricity, gas, water and sewage could be lost through lack of resources and manpower.


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