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While that is partially true, it is highly misleading, we do NOT record the number of coronavirus cases in the UK, if you have coronavirus you do not report it, the guidelines clearly say not to phone 111 nor your doctor unless your symptoms are so severe your life is in danger. Basically we have only been reporting the number of hospitalised cases so far.
In reality 50% of the Wirral might have or have had coronavirus but do you want to be responsible for it infecting a high risk person, or a whole nursing home?
CV is roughly three times more infectious than flu, that is why it has spread so fast. Coronavirus has already killed three times more people in the UK than flu did last winter and we have a long way to go yet.
Yes, there are lies, damn lies, and statistics. I'm not suggesting that anyone should risk infecting anyone else. We can only go by official figures. Everything else is speculation. The UK has a population of 65.64 million and so far, there have been 47,806 CONFIRMED cases. That's currently approx 0.073% of the population. It's interesting how some of the deaths are being reported as "person x died WITH Coronovirus" rather than "person x died OF Coronovirus". This suggests that it may or may not have been a contributing factor in those deaths. I say the safest thing is to maintain social distancing and hand washing. It's not over yet.
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Coronavirus leads to pneumonia (because of build up of fluid and debris in the lungs) or I should imagine heart failure because of fever. No doubt it can create numerous other complications. I believe most deaths are a shortage of oxygen one way or another, the lungs aren't allowing the passage of oxygen due to either the amount of physical damage or flooding, in Italy they put a pressurised hood over the patients heads to literally force oxygen through the lung walls - its all about partial pressures.
There is always an ongoing discussion about how deaths are recorded, if you have a heart attack after a car accident, what killed you? Blunt force trauma or heart failure? Most deaths are complex with one problem leading to another, there is no finite answer to how they should be recorded. If an underlying cause such as CV triggers other factors then the cause of death should include CV as a contributory factor, if CV aggravates another factor then its not so clear cut - eg supposing an old person with pneumonia, asthma and a dodgy ticker catches CV.
No doubt there are coding structures but there will still be a lot of judgement involved.
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There's a real danger that the left will drag Britain back to the 1970s, with secure well-paid jobs, ample housing, properly-funded NHS and social care, free tuition, student grants, final salary pensions, affordable rail fares and fabulous films and music. David Osland 2025 We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn https://ddue.uk
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Boris has been hospitalised, I doubt it will be NHS Nightingale.
There's a real danger that the left will drag Britain back to the 1970s, with secure well-paid jobs, ample housing, properly-funded NHS and social care, free tuition, student grants, final salary pensions, affordable rail fares and fabulous films and music. David Osland 2025 We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn https://ddue.uk
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Does it matter DD! Give the man a break!
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Does it matter DD! Give the man a break! I thought it does matter that our Prime Minister has been admitted to hospital. It also matters that he did sod all for 8 weeks when he should have been replenishing stocks of PPE.
There's a real danger that the left will drag Britain back to the 1970s, with secure well-paid jobs, ample housing, properly-funded NHS and social care, free tuition, student grants, final salary pensions, affordable rail fares and fabulous films and music. David Osland 2025 We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn https://ddue.uk
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Carrie Symonds has also been diagnosed with this virus. That's very worrying with her being pregnant.
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect.
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As of tonight, Wirral now has 168 confirmed cases; an increase of 21 from yesterday. This is very interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_reproduction_numberLooking at the RH chart, measles at the top has an R0 of 12-18. This is why it's important for kids to have the MMR jab. By comparison, COVID 19 has an R0 of 1.4-3.9 putting it lower than the common cold but higher than flu.
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Wouldn't that of been the health minister job dd not johnsons
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On major matters the decision maker is the Prime Minister, it was the PM who dictated our approach to CV against WHO recommendations, it became very clear he only read the first paragraph on herd immunity and didn't check the detail.
Interesting that the BBC4 pandemic program only used an R0 of 1.8, whilst CV has a wide range the accepted average at the moment is mostly 2.2 but some countries are using values around 3. But even at R0=1.8 it was a devastating outcome with 66% infected and over 800,000 deaths using a 2% mortality rate over a period of 3 months.
In the program it states about the policy of slowing down the virus, what happened between 2017 and 2020?
There's a real danger that the left will drag Britain back to the 1970s, with secure well-paid jobs, ample housing, properly-funded NHS and social care, free tuition, student grants, final salary pensions, affordable rail fares and fabulous films and music. David Osland 2025 We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn https://ddue.uk
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Meanwhile in America .... Dr Charles Lieber , Head of Harvard blah blah ...... has been arrested on suspicion of manufacture and distribution of a bio weapon etc etc ! Things people do for money
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Meanwhile in America .... Dr Charles Lieber , Head of Harvard blah blah ...... has been arrested on suspicion of manufacture and distribution of a bio weapon etc etc ! Things people do for money No, he hasn't been charged with anything to do with biology (he isn't a biologist, he is nano-materials), he has been charged with failing to disclose his financial links, it is an administrative crime.
There's a real danger that the left will drag Britain back to the 1970s, with secure well-paid jobs, ample housing, properly-funded NHS and social care, free tuition, student grants, final salary pensions, affordable rail fares and fabulous films and music. David Osland 2025 We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn https://ddue.uk
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Here is the DOJ rap sheet, notice the word "separate", the three cases are nothing to do with each other, they just happened to be charged at the same time. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/harv...als-charged-three-separate-china-related
There's a real danger that the left will drag Britain back to the 1970s, with secure well-paid jobs, ample housing, properly-funded NHS and social care, free tuition, student grants, final salary pensions, affordable rail fares and fabulous films and music. David Osland 2025 We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn https://ddue.uk
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Boris Johnson symptoms have worsen, please refrain from name calling, or sagging off at this time, think what you would say to your grandparents at this time
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Sad to hear he is in intensive care, I wish him well.
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