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keef666 #1072824 28th Nov 2019 4:56pm
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Originally Posted by keef666
Sorry but it doesn't seem to matter who is in power these days


We haven't had a socialist Government for a very long time, Tories have purposely disenfranchised the population.

Never forget which Government rebuilt Britain after WW2, created the NHS (which the medical profession was against), created the welfare system, created a large housebuilding and buying system, improved workers rights etc etc. On top of that Attlee reduced the massive debt left from the war efforts. This is what a socialist Government is about.

I cannot think of a single reason to vote for the Tory party, what have they achieved? Same old promises at election time but nothing happens, remember the "we are all in it together" statements while their wallets are turning into cases and we are in austerity.


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I like that one DD,wallets turning into cases.

casper #1072831 28th Nov 2019 9:39pm
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Originally Posted by casper
I like that one DD,wallets turning into cases.


I toned it down, originally I wrote Furniture Removal Vans but it was too cumbersome.


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Only reason for some to vote tory is brexit where no bp candidate standing. Thats why is a very misrepresented general electionlll

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Originally Posted by fish5133
Only reason for some to vote tory is brexit where no bp candidate standing. Thats why is a very misrepresented general electionlll


The only real reason for me is to give Labour one final bloody nose, to show them that Corbyn is the wrong leader.

If they lose they'll hopefully get rid of him and they can wipe the slate clean and start again with a fresh leader that doesn't alienate so many people. Then perhaps we can look forward to a steady rise in popularity leading to a landslide victory in 2024, just like with John Smith and Blair in the 90s.

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Because prog ' liberalism and weakness has & is destroying this country.....anyone remb ' useless merseyside police & scummys mps saying after rhys jones in 2007 theyd " sort out " gun /drug crime in uk esp liverpool
HA what a joke its 10 times worse esp in south london.
I know for a fact years ago , thro police i know, that serious crime was SO bad in merseyside , certain control was handed over to MI6 for a period.
Again i ref ' to frankfurt subversive techniques used by the GOV on the uk to weaken it.....
" victims of crime get no justice "
" a weak court system that has weak sentencing "
The list is 200 long.


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How any "ordinary" person can even contemplate voting Tory is beyond me. So many times Johnson and his father have shown utter contempt for the working class. Father on channel 4 defending his son's letterbox and bank robber comments by saying he did not go far enough ! Then claiming the general public are illiterate. Johnson in 1995 saying the working man is generally drunk, feckless, criminal, hopeless.
How can anybody still vote for him and his party ?

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Originally Posted by Salmon
How any "ordinary" person can even contemplate voting Tory is beyond me. So many times Johnson and his father have shown utter contempt for the working class. Father on channel 4 defending his son's letterbox and bank robber comments by saying he did not go far enough ! Then claiming the general public are illiterate. Johnson in 1995 saying the working man is generally drunk, feckless, criminal, hopeless.
How can anybody still vote for him and his party ?


Thats the simple answer my friend....this countrys screwed either way. The games rigged. Tory labour doesnt matter. The illusion is that you only have 2 choices. Corbyns weak and he would spend us into recession again. The definition of madness is to repeat an action over and over and expect difference.
Thats been the case for 40 years and look how we ended up.
2 party system needs getting rid of. All thats goin on now is how the irish had only 2 bad lisbon treaty choices in 2009 .
Nothings changed in 10 yrs. Its like " do u wana be stabbed or shot , to die "
" your choice "

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Originally Posted by Gibbo
Originally Posted by fish5133
Only reason for some to vote tory is brexit where no bp candidate standing. Thats why is a very misrepresented general electionlll


The only real reason for me is to give Labour one final bloody nose, to show them that Corbyn is the wrong leader.

If they lose they'll hopefully get rid of him and they can wipe the slate clean and start again with a fresh leader that doesn't alienate so many people. Then perhaps we can look forward to a steady rise in popularity leading to a landslide victory in 2024, just like with John Smith and Blair in the 90s.


So you wont vote Labour because you don't like Corbyn, but you may vote for a serial liar a bigot and a racist, a man that has voiced his views years ago that the working class are ..., of course he will tell you now that we are all jolly good fellows, and that Corbyn is a Communist spy intent on destroying our country, sorry Gibbo but the damage will be done by 2024 and the Tories will have manipulated the voting system in their favour.

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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
Originally Posted by keef666
Sorry but it doesn't seem to matter who is in power these days


We haven't had a socialist Government for a very long time, Tories have purposely disenfranchised the population.

Never forget which Government rebuilt Britain after WW2, created the NHS (which the medical profession was against), created the welfare system, created a large housebuilding and buying system, improved workers rights etc etc. On top of that Attlee reduced the massive debt left from the war efforts. This is what a socialist Government is about.

I cannot think of a single reason to vote for the Tory party, what have they achieved? Same old promises at election time but nothing happens, remember the "we are all in it together" statements while their wallets are turning into cases and we are in austerity.


DD,Thats not true Labour (Clement Atlee) was in Government between 1945 and 1950. From then on Tories from 1950 to 1963. That;s when the house building and rebuilding of Britain occurred. I can remember the bus journeys through Liverpool seeing the bombed houses, the rubble and the destroyed communities during the 1950s'. It was seeing the sites cleared and housing being built. and then property people could afford to buy. Businesses reformed and Liverpool was a good place to be in the early 1960s' . People weren't so selfish . Transport was good, jobs were good, still on rations for part of the 50's but we didn't starve , we didn't even go hungry. Any country getting over a war such as the last, takes time it never happened in 5 yrs part of which our soldiers hadn't even returned home.

Best not to twist things to suit ones own agenda.


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Attlee initiated all the Britain's recovery programs the Tories just rode on the back of that.

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The New Towns Act of 1946 set up development corporations to construct new towns, while the Town and Country Planning Act of 1947 instructed county councils to prepare development plans and also provided compulsory purchase powers. The Attlee government also extended the powers of local authorities to requisition houses and parts of houses, and made the acquisition of land less difficult than before. The Housing (Scotland) Act of 1949 provided grants of 75 per cent (87.5 per cent in the highlands and islands) towards modernisation costs payable by Treasury to local authorities.

In 1949, local authorities were empowered to provide people suffering from poor health with public housing at subsidised rents.

To assist home ownership, the limit on the amount of money that people could borrow from their local authority to purchase or build a home was raised from £800 to £1,500 in 1945, and to £5,000 in 1949. Under the National Assistance act of 1948, local authorities had a duty "to provide emergency temporary accommodation for families which become homeless through no fault of their own".

A large house-building programme was carried out with the intention of providing millions of people with high-quality homes. A housing bill passed in 1946 increased Treasury subsidies for the construction of local authority housing in England and Wales. Four out of five houses constructed under Labour were council properties built to more generous specifications than before the Second World War, and subsidies kept down council rents. Altogether, these policies provided public-sector housing with its biggest-ever boost up until that point, while low-wage earners particularly benefited from these developments. Although the Attlee government failed to meet its targets, primarily due to economic constraints, over a million new homes were built between 1945 and 1951 (a significant achievement under the circumstances) which ensured that decent, affordable housing was available to many low-income families for the first time ever


Funny you should mention Liverpool's recovery because unlike other major cities, Liverpool never got its true post-war redevelopment money. The other cities (in turn) got huge programs to regenerate them, Coventry being one of the most notable. It wasn't until the 1980's that Liverpool got individual development money assigned to it and we all remember the battle that led to that coming about. There are still many bomb sites remaining in Liverpool but I remember in the 1960s and 70s there was barely a road where there wasn't still remains of bomb damage.


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Liverpool was boom time in the 1950's and 60s'. New towns such as Kirby and Skelmersdale were built to house the overspill from Liverpool. But I'll take your word for it. In 13 yrs of Tory Government they did nothing , councils did nothing and Labour were victorious.... bloody marvellous !
Well I hope Labour are elected this time, because I couldn't give a shit any longer. Why should I consider the country when everyone else considers their pocket ?
I'll join the ranks of 'self ' and see where it gets us in the next 5 yrs. Let's see who the next lot of liars are, Tony Blair was a hard act to follow, but I'm sure McDonnell could do better, and wiping Corbyn's his arse all the way to the dispatch box.


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Kirkby and Skem were completely different stories to each other.

Kirkby was initiated and funded by Liverpool Corporation starting in 1947 (partly using standard Government funds), it applied for new town status but didn't get it. In 1958 it was removed from Liverpool (undermining Liverpool) but eventually joined Merseyside in 1974.

Skem was designated a new town in 1961 as an overflow for Merseyside but is and was never part of Liverpool nor Merseyside as the new town has always been in Lancashire which Liverpool left in 1889. It could be considered that its creation was an attempt to run down Liverpool.

The sacrifice Merseyside made to the war effort was never rewarded, indeed the knocking it got became an opportunity for London to further destroy the area.


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On a seperate note , this false flag " terror " attack seems very convienient with the election coming up just like 2017 bridge attack.
Its a set of " coincidences " that shows the utter incompetence & lack of regulations as per weak uks MO

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Originally Posted by svenlock68
On a seperate note , this false flag " terror " attack seems very convienient with the election coming up just like 2017 bridge attack.
Its a set of " coincidences " that shows the utter incompetence & lack of regulations as per weak uks MO


False Flag? Qui Bono . The Tories and Labour arent benefitting from the attack...they are both getting flack about it.. Admittedly it is a big distraction and yet what about the other 110 + victims stabbed to death in London this year.

love to know what the object thrown away, by the "off duty cop" walking away with knife , was. The interview by the Dean of fishmonger hall did seem a bit scripted and i did read that when it first kicked off they thought it was an "exercise"


Farage might have picked up a few bonus points with his comments yesterday and today In Buckley about Isis and Jihadi Virus.

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