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Re: Boris prime minister [Re: cools] #1070940
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OMG, that's frightening Granny, lol....

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All hail our supreme leader BoJo.

Re: Boris prime minister [Re: cools] #1070943
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Having just spent the last number of hours watching firstly, JRM as Leader of the Commons, followed by Boris in his address to Parliament, all I can say is the whole place has lifted incredibly so. Passion and uplifted spirits flooded the place.

A vigorous presentation from both. JRM was amazing and had both sides of the house, would you believe 'laughing' in approval and light heartedness but answered questions extremely eloquently and courteously ,.
Enter Boris and he delivered with such gusto, positivity, commitment , all I can say is...... " bloody brilliant "

He also managed to see off John Mcdonnell , who was clearly upset with a home truth being let out of the bag, and who disappeared straight afterwards.
The opposition, to my mind, looked deflated and lost. Corbyn was weak by comparison, ( not dealing with a woman now ) and Corby clearly stated that he is for a Remain position in Brexit.
New leader of the Lib Dems said she (amongst others) wanted another referendum, but also said if it was a Leave vote again, she wouldn't take any notice of it. Ha ! Boris referred to that as tyranny.

I'm happy and feel filled with promise and , hope and spirit again . Apparently , according to one reporter in the news at 1pm the EU are quite worried ! At long last , so they should be..

Here come BORIS !


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Re: Boris prime minister [Re: cools] #1070944
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That really sounds positive Granny, I didn't watch it ..I'm just hoping that he can sort brexit out once and for all. He could be the superhero that saves us all , hope so...lol

Re: Boris prime minister [Re: cools] #1070947
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Can I just remind you of Theresa May's "left-wing" speech when she started.



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Boris sounds pretty positive, We will just have to wait and see if he will deliver all the promises.

BREXIT, end of October, Trick or treat lol

Re: Boris prime minister [Re: granny] #1070952
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Words are cheap granny, his grandstanding means nothing, one thing that annoys me is the finger pointing, continually stabbing his finger to try and make a point, as to not dealing with a woman come on granny really, when pressed about the 20,000 extra police he had to be rescued, probably before he put his foot in it, they are going straight for a no deal, next move will be to shut down the talks in Brussels on the pretext of one thing or another, to make it look as though he's tried his very best but will blame the EU,

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Originally Posted by casper
Words are cheap granny, his grandstanding means nothing, one thing that annoys me is the finger pointing, continually stabbing his finger to try and make a point, as to not dealing with a woman come on granny really, when pressed about the 20,000 extra police he had to be rescued, probably before he put his foot in it, they are going straight for a no deal, next move will be to shut down the talks in Brussels on the pretext of one thing or another, to make it look as though he's tried his very best but will blame the EU,
What if he does keep his word and proves you wrong?Will have a change of heart or still doubt the guy?

Bottom line we just have wait and see if Boris is all for the country and the people who voted leave.If he does go back in his promises then he will not last long because i think the Brits would have have had enough by then.And no one will vote Tory or Labour .

Brexit party will win the next election.

Re: Boris prime minister [Re: cools] #1070954
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Well, it seems to me that no matter what... the media have turned most of us into pessimists and critics with the national quota of moaners ( as we are known by most overseas friends and relations)

I am behind Boris, because he is the only one now to get us out of the EU . So positivity is a must.

I'm fed up hearing whingeing and being a whinger , my life is too short now to even be bothered any longer . I feel optimistic, those who aren't, just want to halt Brexit and stay in the EU,( mostly from London where the media is transmitted from and by Remainers. They have certainly done their job well on the majority of us ) It won't happen , not unless they' be happy with a revolution on their hands. Probably something that Corbyn would appreciate, just like Venezuela . Overthrow the Monarchy, spend £50 billion buying back the NHS, support Tehran, steel from the rich to fund the benefits, but failing to realise that more and more would be taken out of his grubby little fingers ..... How remaining in the EU would allow to continue on that path, I really don't know. So a bag full of tricks are up his sleeve .

I suggest all should get together, unite and overthrow the Government. At least they'd all be united as a country , crown Corbyn and see where you all end up. Take a chance, why not ?


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Originally Posted by casper
Words are cheap granny, his grandstanding means nothing, one thing that annoys me is the finger pointing, continually stabbing his finger to try and make a point, as to not dealing with a woman come on granny really, when pressed about the 20,000 extra police he had to be rescued, probably before he put his foot in it, they are going straight for a no deal, next move will be to shut down the talks in Brussels on the pretext of one thing or another, to make it look as though he's tried his very best but will blame the EU,



Did you watch it , Casper. If you have a couple of hours or even some of it..



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JRM.. entertainment value !



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Re: Boris prime minister [Re: cools] #1070958
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Boris's speech was the same old Conservative pre-election speech rolled out yet again and yes, the British public will fall for it yet again in hope that it may be true this time.

Even with the DUP the Government currently has a minority

Conservatives plus DUP (311 + 10) = 321
All the other parties 327

There is one seat vacant but even with that and the speaker's vote the Conservatives would still have a minority.


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One of the architects of project brexit that lit the fuse, not for the good of the country nor the will of the people but for self promotion, a project I might add that backfired and over the last three years has split the country and cost billions, caused disruption is now promoted to the messiah that will lead us all out of the wilderness, as leader of this forthright band of disciples he now promises to return what his party has taken away ( we taketh away and so shall giveth back, maybe) one of the main reasons I voted remain was not that I love the EU but the fear of what we have now a hard right government, waiting in the wings to take full advantage, like granny I am past caring for myself but fear for our children and grandchildren, so can only do what we think is best,after the past years of misery, can anyone honestly see a 360 turn in this governments approach? things can only get better, cant they?

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The almost certainty is that the same applies to all parties. Look at Chukka .. he is a perfect example. Trying to claw his way to the top by hopping from one to another. The country has been split by far too many interfering , like Blair and Major, Miller and so many more , but I really don't know what all the critics of the new cabinet and leader would prefer.

If they actually said, it might make some sense. We need a Government, so which Government ? Tell me which Government would those on here who have decided they again don't like the tory line up or Boris, or May, or any of them, which Government with which leaders ???

My daughter is strong pro Corbyn, she thinks he's the best ever !! ( but she's a teacher , so that says it all . Like sheep to the slaughter) One son voted leave but is convinced it won't happen, the other son voted leave despite being pro Europe initially but has a brain and figured all things for himself without anyone else's persuasion. As a family , we never really discuss it, apart from my daughter being so hot under the collar if the subject is raised, so we don't raise it.

It is my grandchildren who I am concerned for , but I suppose living in a European State , like America, with a large dollop of socialism on the edge of communist countries will always be preferable to being an independant nation, where we can elect our own .
741 million people and 7 more countries waiting to join the EU. Let's not forget these people will be shared out , not evenly, but according to where they wish to live and work . To control all people in all nations will need a lot of enforcement , and as times move on, the punishments will be set in Brussels for all to abide by.
One clear example is the evolvement in the prison services

In 2005 .. https://www.epsu.org/sites/default/files/article/files/PSIRUprisonreport2005-2.pdf

quote " The Council of Europe‟s Parliamentary Assembly has also expressed a wish
for a European Prisons Charter that would “set common standards for the
harmonisation of penalties and detention conditions and the monitoring of
their application.”
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The European Prison Rules are being revised and will
address the emergence of privately run prisons. But these rules are not
formally binding on member states.

Meanwhile, the EC is fully committed to privatisation through the use of public
private partnerships for new infrastructure and the provision of services.
Neither the EC‟s Green Paper on Public Private Partnerships nor the
„Bolkestein Directive‟ regarding services in the internal market specifically
mention criminal justice services. But nor are they exempted from
consideration. However, this could be interpreted as a rejection of the moral
and ethical objections to private sector involvement in owning criminal justice
infrastructure, operating services and shaping policy as well as a dismissal of
the international evidence that, operationally, prison privatisation is the wrong
policy option.

The neo-liberal agenda includes the dismantling of public criminal justice services..." . unquote

All very encompassing, and part of the integration that has continued to dominate all our services and as there is a little mention about ' not being formerly binding on member states' that always allows the blame and finger pointing to be directed at a national government , which is precisely what we have been doing over the last how ever many years . The day will come when we won't have a choice of who makes the laws, and you know that as well as anyone. Who will be leading the EU in 20 yrs time ? We only know what we know now, but in this country we still have the option to vote for change not an unelected bunch of bureaucrats (that's a French word too ) . We could be ruled by the ex Albanians, Romanians, Latvians, and all pre eastern block countries who grew up under communism and don't know true democracy, because if they are member states, they have to have positions of power at one level or another.
Animal suffering is horrendous in those countries particularly Albania but they are animals themselves even now, and all mainly Muslim countries. Different cultures will never totally mix. We can live amongst and be civil to each other and it should work both ways, but to mix cultures from 1000's of years ago is not going to work . Blood bath !

That's my lot.. hope everyone gets their own political wish come true.


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Oh ,, and in the first quarter of this year, the number one importer of German weapons was..... Turkey. We all know what's going on there too. (maybe we all don't, but we can find out if we want to ). State sponsored terrorism.

Francis Ricciardone, United States Ambassador to Turkey from 2011 to 2014, claims that Turkey had directly supported and worked with al-Nusra Front and Ahrar al-Sham in the Syrian conflict for a period of time. Syria, the United Arab Emirates, Russia, Iran and Egypt have designated Ahrar al-Sham a terrorist organization but the U.S. has not. The United Nations Security Council and many countries including the US class al-Nusra as a terrorist organisation;] it was the official Syrian branch of al-Qaeda until July 2016, when it ostensibly split.


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