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Re: Project Fear III [Re: diggingdeeper] #1064223
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Nigel Dodds openly thanking the Government for the cash bribe to the DUP to support the Government, which part of democracy is this?


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Nigel Farage has worried EU bosses with his most recent speech in the European Parliament

Less than 24 hours after Theresa May’s Brexit deal failure in the House of Commons, Nigel Farage is in Brussels worrying EU leaders about what happens next.

May’s deal lost by a 230 majority last night in the House of Commons, leaving no deal Brexit as the default position.
Some MPs, including EU officials, are now calling for a second referendum or Brexit to be stopped altogether, but Farage today sent a stern warning for them to be careful about what they wish for.

Farage said: “Mr President, you say there is no support for no deal but then you all thought there was no support for Brexit in the first place.

“You may be surprised how quickly public opinion is changing. Mr Timmermans, you say this would cause great harm. But if we leave on no deal, if we stick to the law as it is we become an independent country.
“I have been saying to you ‘what price?’ – freedom.

“But I will be the first to admit I doubt this will happen because working in cahoots with you we have Mr Blair and many other leaders of the British establishment who treat the Brexit vote and treat voters in general with total an utter contempt.

“There is a great tradition here, isn’t there? We have seen it with Denmark and with Ireland – you make people vote again.

“All I can say is that if we finish up with an extension of Article 50 we may well may well finish up fighting the next set of European elections.

“And we will fight them. And if the betrayal becomes complete and we are forced to vote in a second referendum, you may be in for a big surprise.

“The British may be very placid people, very laid back, but I promise you, if they get pushed too far it’s a lion that will roar.

“We will be even more defiant if we have to fight a second referendum and we will win it by a bigger majority.”


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Re: Project Fear III [Re: diggingdeeper] #1064238
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I love the way he tells those pompous money grabbing EUites how it is..Yep think he will be forming a party as he hinted at the other day and as he said if he has to he will fight again for leaving the EU with no deal, just leave end of story!
I think he would get a lot of support as he voices what a lot of us think, I do worry about the jobs but agree with him , tell the EU get their own country's in order before telling us what to do.
Whatever is going to happen I wish they'd just get on with Brexit , think it's driving everyone mad.

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Just going to air my naivety and confusion about Brexit, I believe the vote was to leave the EU, now we are told that we cant leave without a deal because it would be damaging, am I missing something? oh yes democracy, the British people voted and we must respect that, so did we vote to leave or did we vote to only leave with a deal ?

We now have Farage the Lord haw haw of politics doing his Churchill impression over in Brussels, one of the rats that lit the fuse then stepped aside,

I voted remain,annoyed we lost, and no doubt many that voted to leave feel the same, so no one got exactly what they wanted did they?

confused .com confused

Re: Project Fear III [Re: casper] #1064241
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Originally Posted by casper
Just going to air my naivety and confusion about Brexit, I believe the vote was to leave the EU, now we are told that we cant leave without a deal because it would be damaging, am I missing something?


Its a bit like if you're renting a house or leasing a car. You can't just walk away from them and expect the other side to deal with it.

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Originally Posted by Gibbo
Originally Posted by casper
Just going to air my naivety and confusion about Brexit, I believe the vote was to leave the EU, now we are told that we cant leave without a deal because it would be damaging, am I missing something?


Its a bit like if you're renting a house or leasing a car. You can't just walk away from them and expect the other side to deal with it.



The other side has no say if we leave without a deal, so we can walk away, this decision was taken by the British people, what happened to the Union flag waving and the slogan leave means leave ? that's what we voted for, wasn't it?


yes

Re: Project Fear III [Re: diggingdeeper] #1064265
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I don't understand anything about the pro-EU stance, to give an analogy ...

Tesco gives you an offer, if you pay us £10,000 a year and agree to only shop with us or our trading partners, we will give you £5,000 back and charge what we like for the goods. Gradually we will take your life over as everything you buy including energy, insurance etc will have to be bought through us on our terms and our prices.

Would you like such a deal?

@Gibbo your analogy to renting a house incomplete, Article 50 would be the equivalent of a 2 year notice of leaving in the lease, after that period you would have no liability to the landlord whatsoever other than to repair any damage you have caused, you would not be liable for paying any money to future refurbishment or enhancement of the property.

I cannot think of an example in real life where after leaving you are liable for future costs without holding a share in whatever those costs pay for. I have been a shareholder in a number of enterprises and left when I wanted, I didn't have to buy my way out, they had to buy my holdings.

How much are the EU paying us for the enormous amount EU assets we have paid for in other countries?


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Re: Project Fear III [Re: diggingdeeper] #1064292
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I take it when we leave then other member states arent allowed to trade with us because of EU law.? So if we leave with no deal and try to keep on trading as we are with other member states are the EU elite going to punish the flock for trading with us?
Say if we have a 4 year trade deal/contract for a particular product with France would that deal cease on the moment we leave the EU and would one side be in breach of contract? Or can that deal only be legal if we are an EU member?. Complicated.

On the other hand if we leave with no deal...can we still see the kids!

Re: Project Fear III [Re: diggingdeeper] #1064293
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No, if we leave on no-deal then trade carries on but there will be duty to be paid on imports - unless the EU/UK agree otherwise.

The maximum duty allowed is set by WTO rules if there is no trade agreement in place. So we will charge duty on imports from EU and the EU will charge duty on imports from UK, as the balance of trade is in the EU's favour the UK will collect more import duty than the EU does.

A visitor visa-waiver system will be put in place similar to what the EU and the UK have with many other countries, you will need a passport the same as we do now because we are not in the Schengen area. You can still go and see your kids and they will still be able to come and see us.


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Re: Project Fear III [Re: diggingdeeper] #1064313
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Here's a nice little web archive. Any questions ? All we need to know from 2016 referendum. Who said we didn't know what we were voting for ?

https://web.archive.org/web/20160624095938/http://leave.eu/en/faqs/faqanswers

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Very true, Fish..

The Lisbon Treaty comes into effect in 2020.. No delays wanted now. I still can't understand why May would even wish to negotiate with a Marxist. It's utterly obnoxious and flies in the face of all the EU countries that got rid of Marxism. It 's also obnoxious for Marxist MP's hiding under the banner of Labour, because if they support him, they support Corbyn Marxist policies even if it was unintentional.

Check it out. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Lisbon

1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or veto’s being allowed.
2: All member nations will become states of the new federal nation of the EU by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon treaty with no exceptions or veto’s.
3: All member states must adopt the Euro by 2022 and any new member state must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon treaty.
4: The London stock exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be integrated into the EU stock exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus jobs in the UK because of the relocation. (This has already been pre-agreed and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if Brexit does happen, the move is fully cancelled - but if not and the UK remains a member it’s full steam ahead for the move.)
5: The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of the UK.
6: The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the EU Parliament and ECJ lays down without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to have the Lords or even the Commons as we know it today.
7: The UK will NOT be able to make its own trade deals.
8: The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade tariffs.
9 The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade quotas.
10: The UK loses control of its fishing rights
11: The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights
12: The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by 2022 - as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty
13: The UK loses control of its planning legislation
14: The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear deterrent
15: The UK loses full control of its taxation policy
16: The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them
17: The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealths
18: The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated nations e.g.: Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar etc
19: The UK loses control of its judicial system
20: The UK loses control of its international policy
21: The UK loses full control of its national policy
22: The UK loses its right to call itself a nation in its own right.
23: The UK loses control of its space exploration program
24: The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction
25: The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon treaty
26: The UK’s contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of 1.2bn pa and by 2.3bn pa by 2020
This is the future that the youths of today think we stole from them?
They should be on their knees thanking us for saving them from being turned into Orwellian automatons!


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Re: Project Fear III [Re: diggingdeeper] #1064411
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Where on earth did you copy that from? You realise its wholly made up!

The Lisbon Treaty was ratified and brought into UK law before 2010.


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Originally Posted by granny


Very true, Fish..

The Lisbon Treaty comes into effect in 2020.. No delays wanted now. I still can't understand why May would even wish to negotiate with a Marxist. It's utterly obnoxious and flies in the face of all the EU countries that got rid of Marxism. It 's also obnoxious for Marxist MP's hiding under the banner of Labour, because if they support him, they support Corbyn Marxist policies even if it was unintentional.

Check it out. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Lisbon

1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or veto’s being allowed.
2: All member nations will become states of the new federal nation of the EU by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon treaty with no exceptions or veto’s.
3: All member states must adopt the Euro by 2022 and any new member state must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon treaty.
4: The London stock exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be integrated into the EU stock exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus jobs in the UK because of the relocation. (This has already been pre-agreed and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if Brexit does happen, the move is fully cancelled - but if not and the UK remains a member it’s full steam ahead for the move.)
5: The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of the UK.
6: The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the EU Parliament and ECJ lays down without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to have the Lords or even the Commons as we know it today.
7: The UK will NOT be able to make its own trade deals.
8: The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade tariffs.
9 The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade quotas.
10: The UK loses control of its fishing rights
11: The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights
12: The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by 2022 - as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty
13: The UK loses control of its planning legislation
14: The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear deterrent
15: The UK loses full control of its taxation policy
16: The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them
17: The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealths
18: The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated nations e.g.: Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar etc
19: The UK loses control of its judicial system
20: The UK loses control of its international policy
21: The UK loses full control of its national policy
22: The UK loses its right to call itself a nation in its own right.
23: The UK loses control of its space exploration program
24: The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction
25: The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon treaty
26: The UK’s contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of 1.2bn pa and by 2.3bn pa by 2020
This is the future that the youths of today think we stole from them?
They should be on their knees thanking us for saving them from being turned into Orwellian automatons!


Project fear granny. omg

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