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You don't seriously think that the UK - on its own - is going to do anything other than diverting much-needed resources from places like Merseyside into London in order to construct new opera houses, transport, and other infrastructure there do you?

Westminster has considerable form in this practice as in the recent abandonment of improvement of rail links in our own region, accompanied by an announcement that Crossrail 2 would be going ahead.

But I'm glad to hear you continuing to defend brexit despite the problems we will all quite obviously suffer from it. You will not be able to avoid blame for it when it happens.

I'm sure if Corbyn was in power we would get a better geographical distribution of finance than the greedy capitalist tories would like.

Its up to the people of the country to take power, that was one of the problems of having a remote EU government, there just wasn't any connect, very few people even know who their local MEP is let alone know what he is fighting for or against and I doubt anyone could have named more than two UK officials that were in the European hierarchy.

We have too many tiers of Government, this has come about because its politicians who decide how many politicians there are.

We need a complete bill of rights, we need to be able to vote down parliament and even individual MPs, we need to have referendums when we choose. We don't need 27+ other countries to decide our fate especially when many of those countries have substantial income that sways their vote.

You can't blame the EU for British ignorance of European affairs. This is not the case in other European countries where European politics is of widespread interest within the population.

You might blame our media, but I think that is a cop-out. They reflect our interests.

I looked at the BBC news channel last night and was treated to an in-depth analysis of some obscure aged, half-witted 'senator' in a baseball hat who had allegedly molested a sobbing matron when she was 16. What effect would it have on the republican party? What effect would it have on the democrats? A succession of talking heads discussed the wisdom of President Chump intervening in whether he should stand down. It went on and on.

You NEVER get such coverage of European affairs. It is as if the UK people do not want to know what goes on. This is what makes it so easy for idiots here to believe that the EU forces laws on a reluctant UK. This lie was strongly pushed as part of the 'taking back control'. The truth is that we already had it! Only the UK government has ever been able to pass uk laws.

The EU parliament is no more 'remote' than any other government, certainly not that of Washington. The 'remote' word is invariably used by brexiteers, but in fact the remoteness is a reflection of their own ignorance and lack of interest.

Putting aside that you are using labels to make things sound good or bad (a favourite trick of the UK media), what you say there is exactly why we should not be in Europe, we aren't interested in European politics, they do things different to us.

I'm glad you think the UK Government cares about us, I'm glad you think the Europeans care about use, I'm glad you thin the media care about us, it all fortifies that your version of the story is not real.

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like him or loathe him , he certainly gets his points over efficiently doesnt he !

I regret I can't really understand the points you are attempting to make here. Apologies for my obtuseness if this is the problem.

He's good. I love that man, Farage. Mainly because he tells it as it is. They can never argue with him on his points, and they are points that no other person in UK Government, opposition parties, or EU ever bring to the table.
Basically, he gets 'em by the short and curlys( not sure about spelling/ or apostrophie Spellbinder) every time.

Go Nigel.

He certainly does get them by the short and curlys Granny. They hate the truth.

Yes I'm not big on politics but think the country would be better with more straight talking people like Nigel. Say it as it is !

Here's another one. What makes me cringe is a the fact that half these people with high positions who sit in officialdom within the EU have come from previously Communist States. They have grown up with the ideology of Communism and no doubt have not yet managed to fully integrate with Democracy, and they are privileged to vote on issues on behalf of all within the EU.

Also, it really hacks me off, as when 'Nigel' speaks there, always the sly sniggers and discreet grins , or pretentious attitudes of pretending not to listen to him. These are supposedly responsible people behaving in a very childish fashion.

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....and another that wipes Gordon Brown's eye and opens many others to what was actually going on.

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Lovely, Brown getting called a liar by UKIP and Europe.

Corbyn will never get in or will be as useless as obama....hes not a bilderberger, which ALL PMs have been.
Uks run by free masonary , banks , land owners , business interests, private companies NOT mps.
All treaties from 91 to lisbon treaty in 2009 are signed by the queen completely in contradiction to her coronation oaths of 53
She blair ted heath major etc etc have committed technical treason against the uk but wont be called up to a judge because blair / queen changed treason laws in 98.
Why o why do uk public still think Mps monarchy etc have ANY interest in helping us????
Theres zero point voting or thinking theyll do anything but feather their own nests.
And lie to you as they do it.
The EU was to take away all our power & centralise it forever.
They nearly made it....david noakes on his eutruth dot org site talked of this years ago.
Wake up.

I thought Obama was a breath of fresh air for ultra right USA and was very much needed. Unfortunately he effectively had a minority Government so a lot of stuff ended up quite compromised but was generally heading in the right direction.

The idea that one of the richest nations pays many millions out to other countries but has loads of its own people dying of starvation and lack of basic medical care even though they work full time (or more) is despicable.

The basic needs of ALL people should be a priority - food, housing, medical care and safety.