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Originally Posted by Excoriator
The idea that you seem to believe in that ALL members of a particular race or religion should be banned from entering the country or forced to follow YOUR dress code or way of life disgusts me. You seem to be unaware that you are proposing exactly what ISIS are demanding. Perhaps you should think more carefully about what you advocate.


Many Muslim countries expect outsiders to obey their basic rules and culture (you should have seen what happened last time I wore my micro-bikini in Saudi).

Why go and live in another country if you don't want to live the way that country lives? Doesn't make sense unless you plan to take it over. Its like moving to Africa and insisting that all the dangerous animals are made safe.


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The idea that you seem to believe in that ALL members of a particular race or religion should be banned from entering the country or forced to follow YOUR dress code or way of life disgusts me. You seem to be unaware that you are proposing exactly what ISIS are demanding. Perhaps you should think more carefully about what you advocate.


Many Muslim countries expect outsiders to obey their basic rules and culture (you should have seen what happened last time I wore my micro-bikini in Saudi).

Why go and live in another country if you don't want to live the way that country lives? Doesn't make sense unless you plan to take it over. Its like moving to Africa and insisting that all the dangerous animals are made safe.

....only a matter of time.

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Originally Posted by Excoriator
I hadn't noticed the authorities were treating terrorists gently because they are doing it through religion, or indeed that they are treating them as anything other than ordinary criminals. The treatment of many quite young and impressionable supporters seems to me to be very harsh. There is a high degree of cognitive dissonance in believing that on the one hand there are people capable of 'radicalising' otherwise perfectly ordinary teenagers, and on the other hand locking them up because they have been 'radicali

But treating every member of the same religion as if they were criminals and denying them any humanitarian aid seems frankly barmy to me.


Can't find any posts that state the police are treating terrorists gently because they are doing it through religion Ex, but they are reluctant to upset a certain religious group, not only a religion but a culture that is completely alien to our own, and the way most people see it is that it is the people of this country that are expected to alter their way of life to pacify and pander to this groups ever growing demands, turning the proverbial blind eye to these cultural differences has got us were we are today, with people afraid to speak out for fear of being demonised.

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....but they are reluctant to upset a certain religious group, not only a religion but a culture that is completely alien to our own, and the way most people see it is that it is the people of this country that are expected to alter their way of life to pacify and pander to this groups ever growing demands, turning the proverbial blind eye to these cultural differences has got us were we are today, with people afraid to speak out for fear of being demonised.


In most cases its worse than that, its not the demands of the immigrants, its some weird pre-emptive thing the government and media comes up with. We suddenly have crimes that instead of being a violent-crime, it is now a racial-violent-crime (especially if it is against a non-indigenous person but not vice-versa), some traditional religious symbolism has been discouraged, using the word "black" is frowned on whatever the context etc etc. We are pampering to something that in most cases doesn't even exist.


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This is off Facebook. At least sometimes it hits the nail on the head.

- If you enter Saudi Arabia illegally, men with guns will take you to jail.
- If you enter Iran illegally, men with guns will take you to jail
- If you enter Russia illegally, men with guns will take you to jail
- If you enter China illegally, men with guns will take you to jail and maybe even shoot you.
- If you enter North Korea illegally, men with guns will definitely shoot you.
But....
- If you cross the border illegally into the EU, men with cameras will make you a hero. You will then be taken to a 4 star hotel and cared for. You will then be given housing, free medical cover and money. You will be allowed to criticise and undermine the country in which you settle and if you break the law, lefties will crowd around you to protect you and stop you being deported because of the HRA.
The moral of this story? We are ruled by twonks.


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I'm really upset about the little boy who is missing. Two nights now, but we must have positive thoughts.


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This seems to be an argument for the elimination of the entire human race, palemoon.

Certainly the place would be a lot quieter if we were all dead.

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Lets not forget you have muslim fighting muslim so its not painting them all with the same brush. Our natural herding instincts will drive us to attack that which is different. Takes several generations for indigenous populations to accept multiculturalism (ar at least tolerate it to some degree). Problem comes when you get the extreme often religious elements added to the melting pot. Generally speaking in this country we have managed to get on ok with most new things coming in but it does seem that most problems seem or perceived to be with the muslim/Islamic culture. Its a numbers game.. I suspect most indigenous people living in say Bedford were ok with one or two muslims but when you get whole areas being almost muslim and the smell (curry and spices) becoming predominant in the air (been there and experienced it) and then more and more mosques popping up and then a massive mosque dominating the skylne then you start thinking wtf is going on.

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Terrorists are terrorists. Any of them. All of them- Isis AND the 'white supremacists'- nothing to do with religion....pfft.

Anyone that kills innocent people because of some warped belief, that feel that they have a right to take a life because of some idealogical BS. are all cranks.



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Originally Posted by granny

This is off Facebook. At least sometimes it hits the nail on the head.

- If you enter Saudi Arabia illegally, men with guns will take you to jail.
- If you enter Iran illegally, men with guns will take you to jail
- If you enter Russia illegally, men with guns will take you to jail
- If you enter China illegally, men with guns will take you to jail and maybe even shoot you.
- If you enter North Korea illegally, men with guns will definitely shoot you.
But....
- If you cross the border illegally into the EU, men with cameras will make you a hero. You will then be taken to a 4 star hotel and cared for. You will then be given housing, free medical cover and money. You will be allowed to criticise and undermine the country in which you settle and if you break the law, lefties will crowd around you to protect you and stop you being deported because of the HRA.
The moral of this story? We are ruled by twonks.
What facebook page or group did you find this on?

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Granny: I see all those charity aid workers and activists who put out a national call for supplies to deliver and who rallied around for the 'poor' refugees a couple of years ago in Calais, which encouraged even more to descend on the town, seem to have had a change of heart. They are very quiet, just moved on to backing our own homeless and starving now. Another 'thing of the moment'. That will soon be ditched for Ban the Bomb , again.

Me: At risk of the pitchforks coming out lamethrower and wild accusations of 'Granny Bashing'- it is the mainstream media who decide what the general public see. Activism has not reduced in any of the areas that you mention- it is just no longer reported by the mainstream media.

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....but they are reluctant to upset a certain religious group, not only a religion but a culture that is completely alien to our own, and the way most people see it is that it is the people of this country that are expected to alter their way of life to pacify and pander to this groups ever growing demands, turning the proverbial blind eye to these cultural differences has got us were we are today, with people afraid to speak out for fear of being demonised.


In most cases its worse than that, its not the demands of the immigrants, its some weird pre-emptive thing the government and media comes up with. We suddenly have crimes that instead of being a violent-crime, it is now a racial-violent-crime (especially if it is against a non-indigenous person but not vice-versa), some traditional religious symbolism has been discouraged, using the word "black" is frowned on whatever the context etc etc. We are pampering to something that in most cases doesn't even exist.


I thought the word 'black' was the only word we could use now without causing offence. Maybe it's changed again.
There's a new photographic exhibition opened in the Capital called 'Black London' , all photos of successful black individuals of UK. (London). I bet that will be very interesting and quite beautiful. I love photographic art of black people, there is something quite meaningful and deep.

In the meantime, this is interesting. Just explains a few more things we'd probably rather not know.

It does point out that they follow Sharia 'Laws', not sure what the difference is between the 'Laws' and Islam religion.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/an_education_in_terror

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Very interesting link granny, but the way things are it becomes very hard to believe a word that has been spoken by anybody associated with ISIS, are they true victims or rats deserting a sinking ship, or sleepers? who decides? most of them are classed as children, it is very difficult to define the word child in the context of recent events as one of the terrorists in Spain allegedly is 17 years old, now we have these "children" allegedly indoctrinated and kept under strict surveillance escaping and making their way to the EU, very clever kiddies, just saying.

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Indeed Casper, difficult to protect ourselves against the enemy when you don't know who the enemy is!!! Me, I'll be keeping my distance from any of them and I expect to get shouted down on that statement by the dogooders on here!!!!

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