Another van driven down busy road knocking down tourists etc. 13 people dead more than 50 injured....murdering coward or cowards!!!!

brainwashed indoctrinated deranged evil (perhaps a certain religion) (very strong swear word) . And totally effin pointless.

Tonight they say 100 injured and 15 in a serious condition.(apart from those already killed) This is just getting dreadful. We have had so many of similar incidents now, all over Europe, and what is being done ? Nobody is addressing this problem apart from a few barricades on pavements. It must be difficult to come to know how to stop it, but when one chap said it is to educate the youngsters, and another report in the same news channel said since the ISIS have moved back from Rakka , they have left 2000 school children conditioned into ISIS training.
That is serious, very serous !

There really needs to be something done now with all the illegals entering Europe. Notice the routes , and arrivals. Greece, Sicily, Italy , now Spain. Virtually the whole of the southern Medi countries are being impacted and it's as if we are getting surrounded , from the east, north and south.
Even if relative peaceful times pass I doubt we should ever be complacent ever again .

About time we stopped treating these as religion driven crimes, those involved are criminals full stop. Giving idiots misguided moral justification only encourages these activities.

I notice the UK government has taken appropriate action to stop such attacks here. After long and careful consideration of the problem and possible solutions, it has eventually decided that the answer is... an aircraft carrier!

This mighty three billion pound extravagance will, I am sure, deter any terrorists thinking of attacking UK citizens, despite the fact that it hasn't got any aircraft yet.

Unfortunately the only real way to deal with this is like for like, kicking doors in and and throwing the rule book away, this will only make them martyrs we are told, does blowing oneself up( along with innocents) not make them martyrs? or allowing them the cloak of a religious cause to justify their murderous intent, they are plain and simple murdering terrorists that wish to impose a twisted way of life under the guise of religion, there is no doubt that they are existing in communities that tolerate or support some of their views, a great deal of it being of a racist nature, in similar circumstances to the child abuse gangs, see nothing, hear nothing, say nothing.

You are quite right Casper,a case of closed ranks in their communities. As with the 20 or so convicted child abusers. They have 20 or so family's that must have known or suspected something but choose to say nothing. Maybe it is because in their countries and with their beliefs this is the norm. Well it is NOT in Britain! .

Yes, and it's time the burqa was made illegal in this country. Stripped off them to show the western clothes they wear beneath. The burqu is not a religious garment and therefore should not be tolerated. All European Governments have held back on such things and if they have taken a stance as in France, they have been shouted down by the 'do gooders', 'human rights activists' etc. Bloody idiots and not one, not one European or world government has taken a stance against this. Get their heads together and grow a pair.
I see all those charity aid workers and activists who put out a national call for supplies to deliver and who rallied around for the 'poor' refugees a couple of years ago in Calais, which encouraged even more to descend on the town, seem to have had a change of heart. They are very quiet, just moved on to backing our own homeless and starving now. Another 'thing of the moment'. That will soon be ditched for Ban the Bomb , again.
Democracy is one thing, people power has to be overridden at times and the people in Government who are in the powerful positions, need to take decision that keep their citizens safer before it's too late and more bloodshed on our streets.

Here here Granny!! This world going backwards instead of forwards despite technology!!

I hadn't noticed the authorities were treating terrorists gently because they are doing it through religion, or indeed that they are treating them as anything other than ordinary criminals. The treatment of many quite young and impressionable supporters seems to me to be very harsh. There is a high degree of cognitive dissonance in believing that on the one hand there are people capable of 'radicalising' otherwise perfectly ordinary teenagers, and on the other hand locking them up because they have been 'radicalised'

But treating every member of the same religion as if they were criminals and denying them any humanitarian aid seems frankly barmy to me.

Now Finland, attackers with knives... suppose we were all getting abit complacent and hoping it would go away, at least I was but no they seem to be showing us not!!! Evil wicked cowards!!!

I'll tell you what is 'frankly barmy', Excoriator, the European nations allowing, nay, inviting these religious fanatics into their societies. Before this middle eastern slime infested our shores we did not live in fear of being blown up or crushed by some Quran loving maniac.

..and when those terrorists who are treated like ordinary criminals (which they are NOT) are sentenced into our prisons at the tax payers expense, who pays for their families of 4 wives and 10 children ? Yes, the British tax payer.

These are not normal people, as Cools says they are evil. They (ISIS) insist that when moving into and taking control of towns the women change their dress code and have to wear burqas. Full covering usually comes from very strict Arab nations such as Saudi Arabia who still behead their criminals. We don't want 'very strict Islam ' here so whilst we have the chance, we should break down their pathetic ideology (not religious) and make them realise that their women will not be following or infiltrating our community with their traditions of hiding away under a cloak of secrecy. Mix with us or take the punishment. ( 2 yrs prison for breaking the law.) They have laws that affect Westerners in their country, so why not the other way around. Let's upset their way of life too.

I know and have worked with many Muslims and found them perfectly rational. Normal in every respect, despite being strict believers, and utterly peaceful.

The idea that you seem to believe in that ALL members of a particular race or religion should be banned from entering the country or forced to follow YOUR dress code or way of life disgusts me. You seem to be unaware that you are proposing exactly what ISIS are demanding. Perhaps you should think more carefully about what you advocate.

My point is: if they were not here we not have the problems they cause.

Many Muslim countries expect outsiders to obey their basic rules and culture (you should have seen what happened last time I wore my micro-bikini in Saudi).

Why go and live in another country if you don't want to live the way that country lives? Doesn't make sense unless you plan to take it over. Its like moving to Africa and insisting that all the dangerous animals are made safe.

....only a matter of time.

December 2016.........

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/59...ew-Hosken-Caliphate-Abu-Musab-al-Zarqawi

Can't find any posts that state the police are treating terrorists gently because they are doing it through religion Ex, but they are reluctant to upset a certain religious group, not only a religion but a culture that is completely alien to our own, and the way most people see it is that it is the people of this country that are expected to alter their way of life to pacify and pander to this groups ever growing demands, turning the proverbial blind eye to these cultural differences has got us were we are today, with people afraid to speak out for fear of being demonised.

In most cases its worse than that, its not the demands of the immigrants, its some weird pre-emptive thing the government and media comes up with. We suddenly have crimes that instead of being a violent-crime, it is now a racial-violent-crime (especially if it is against a non-indigenous person but not vice-versa), some traditional religious symbolism has been discouraged, using the word "black" is frowned on whatever the context etc etc. We are pampering to something that in most cases doesn't even exist.

This is off Facebook. At least sometimes it hits the nail on the head.

- If you enter Saudi Arabia illegally, men with guns will take you to jail.
- If you enter Iran illegally, men with guns will take you to jail
- If you enter Russia illegally, men with guns will take you to jail
- If you enter China illegally, men with guns will take you to jail and maybe even shoot you.
- If you enter North Korea illegally, men with guns will definitely shoot you.
But....
- If you cross the border illegally into the EU, men with cameras will make you a hero. You will then be taken to a 4 star hotel and cared for. You will then be given housing, free medical cover and money. You will be allowed to criticise and undermine the country in which you settle and if you break the law, lefties will crowd around you to protect you and stop you being deported because of the HRA.
The moral of this story? We are ruled by twonks.

I'm really upset about the little boy who is missing. Two nights now, but we must have positive thoughts.

This seems to be an argument for the elimination of the entire human race, palemoon.

Certainly the place would be a lot quieter if we were all dead.

Lets not forget you have muslim fighting muslim so its not painting them all with the same brush. Our natural herding instincts will drive us to attack that which is different. Takes several generations for indigenous populations to accept multiculturalism (ar at least tolerate it to some degree). Problem comes when you get the extreme often religious elements added to the melting pot. Generally speaking in this country we have managed to get on ok with most new things coming in but it does seem that most problems seem or perceived to be with the muslim/Islamic culture. Its a numbers game.. I suspect most indigenous people living in say Bedford were ok with one or two muslims but when you get whole areas being almost muslim and the smell (curry and spices) becoming predominant in the air (been there and experienced it) and then more and more mosques popping up and then a massive mosque dominating the skylne then you start thinking wtf is going on.

Terrorists are terrorists. Any of them. All of them- Isis AND the 'white supremacists'- nothing to do with religion....pfft.

Anyone that kills innocent people because of some warped belief, that feel that they have a right to take a life because of some idealogical BS. are all cranks.

What facebook page or group did you find this on?

Granny: I see all those charity aid workers and activists who put out a national call for supplies to deliver and who rallied around for the 'poor' refugees a couple of years ago in Calais, which encouraged even more to descend on the town, seem to have had a change of heart. They are very quiet, just moved on to backing our own homeless and starving now. Another 'thing of the moment'. That will soon be ditched for Ban the Bomb , again.

Me: At risk of the pitchforks coming out and wild accusations of 'Granny Bashing'- it is the mainstream media who decide what the general public see. Activism has not reduced in any of the areas that you mention- it is just no longer reported by the mainstream media.

I thought the word 'black' was the only word we could use now without causing offence. Maybe it's changed again.
There's a new photographic exhibition opened in the Capital called 'Black London' , all photos of successful black individuals of UK. (London). I bet that will be very interesting and quite beautiful. I love photographic art of black people, there is something quite meaningful and deep.

In the meantime, this is interesting. Just explains a few more things we'd probably rather not know.

It does point out that they follow Sharia 'Laws', not sure what the difference is between the 'Laws' and Islam religion.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/an_education_in_terror

Very interesting link granny, but the way things are it becomes very hard to believe a word that has been spoken by anybody associated with ISIS, are they true victims or rats deserting a sinking ship, or sleepers? who decides? most of them are classed as children, it is very difficult to define the word child in the context of recent events as one of the terrorists in Spain allegedly is 17 years old, now we have these "children" allegedly indoctrinated and kept under strict surveillance escaping and making their way to the EU, very clever kiddies, just saying.

Indeed Casper, difficult to protect ourselves against the enemy when you don't know who the enemy is!!! Me, I'll be keeping my distance from any of them and I expect to get shouted down on that statement by the dogooders on here!!!!

Just to add when I say them I don't mean toddlers or very young children that are thankfully just lovely kids as was stated in retaliation on a previous post, but young adults etc who may be out to harm!!! Obviously most will not but I'm going to be aware.

Have the Muslim hierarchy come out either here I UK or in Spain and condemned this act ? Not that I have heard or read. Yet again!!!

Its in the hands of the media, it makes a bigger story if they don't publicise that side of things.

The Islamic Commission of Spain has condemned the act.

That's good and shows that at least they are becoming prepared to confront these horrible crimes, even though the general Muslim communities are not involved .

It seems that the little boy may have died in the attack. So sad.

Yes its been confirmed he was a casualty, so sad, as to the Muslim communities, no doubt there is genuine concern from some quarters, but I get the overall feeling that with the majority it is a fear of retaliation or backlash.