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I hope she clean up the mess she has made of Germany,Sweden and other surrounding Countries Granny.
I would hate to have her job at this moment.

The Eurovision Song Contest , something I personally hate..there again they made sure we didn't win..

If we import more from the EU than we export, have all our fish grabbed from us, have to succumb to every ruling from the EU or get fined millions, get told what to do by people who have never been voted in (anywhere) and on top of that have to send taxes which we have paid in to keep Europeans' offspring in the manner to which they have become now accustomed then who is going to dip out if we leave?
Oh and we have to let them come over here and take jobs away from Brits, fact.

He got no concessions worthy of the word and even less than the little he was asking for. A total sell-out, and I speak as a lifelong Conservative voter. I just hope I live long enough to vote Get Out.

Not quite, the UK created the beginnings of the EU when Winston Churchill called for the formation of the Council of Europe on the 19th September 1946 which was then created on the 5th May 1949 by the Treaty of London, this pre-dates the 1951 European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC which we were not a signatory to).

Its interesting how history often quotes the ECSC but not the Council of Europe which still exists today, although it is a separate entity to the the European Union but shares the same flag.

The EU and CoE are often confused, the European Courts of Human Rights is not an EU entity, it is part of the CoE

DD, you need to contact BBC. Tell them to put it right,... but they won't.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/guides/zgjwtyc#z2fscwx

So what do you think of Dave's efforts on Europe DD? has he delivered? will this deal make any difference? I am concerned that the issue is being overshadowed by the power struggle within the Tory party, Boris J comes across as an affable buffoon but I think he's a snake waiting to strike and show his ruthlessness, those within government that want out are the usual collection of self promoters spouting the usual jingoism and how we are the fifth richest country in the world (you wouldn't think so) and that the world should shudder when our name is mentioned, it just shows how far out of touch they are not just at home but within the world.
I am waiting for more information before committing but am leaning toward staying in at the moment.

Cameron has obtained nothing of note whatsoever.

The only leaning I have to staying in is that we have a veto which we would lose. I can't think of any other reason to stay in.

We should be doing a lot of PR work with America, throwing their favourite words of "democracy" and "independence" in their faces, the EU is the epitome of the opposite. We need America on our side and they may realise that if we leave and they are backing us, they actually end up with more clout over Europe.

I believe that any trade deals that uk would wish to engage in with China and India, have to go via Brussels. That concerns me, as if we vote 'no' does that mean what surviving businesses we have in this country will then be snatched up by the Chinese ?
We know Brussels (or Germany) want China out of the equation as they produce some things far more cheaply that Germany, for example solar panels which have been blocked.

I do think the main companies wanting the 'in' vote are obviously looking after their own interests as they have much already set up in Europe ,many are foreign owned now anyway or a conglomerate.

Do we take a risk and hope to regain trade with Australia and Canada to a far greater level, keep what industries we have left and build on them, or wait until we have become an empty shell, with nothing left to negotiate with at a later date and become subservient to Europe ? Anymore countries joining Europe will surely lead to greater financial input from all the EU countries and what is the point of paying to support every other nation in the block, when they can come here, take our jobs, homes and services ?

At the same time, I wouldn't want to be overrun by the Chinese!

It would be interesting to know, how much input Brussels has in the take over of businesses within this country. I can't find anything , and wonder if that's another something that has been kept quiet, for obvious reasons. If we stay in EU, we can be sure the NHS will go the same way as the French.

We already have a recent £42bn trade deal with China and a recent £9bn trade deal with India, why would any of the parties want to go through Europe?

Other countries don't like the idea of a large Europe for trade, it is the same problem as the suppliers have with the buying power of Tesco.

If we do come out of Europe, perhaps the government might suddenly realise the necessity of heavy industry in the country instead of destroying it.

Its a complete fallacy that the UK can be dependent solely on service industries, we need manufacturing it needs government support.

someone was explaining yesterday that every trade deal with China or India has to be sanctioned by Brussels.

I think we would find that the likes of heavy industry etc. and they way they have been run down in this country, has in fact had Brussels being instrumental in many such things. Fair distribution of industries across the 28 countries.

Labour Government (Blair) negotiated for the financial sector(banks)and service industries. Germany wanted the financial sector to be theirs initially.

Here is another example of how things operate. ::

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...2/France-bans-the-Silver-Cross-pram.html

For generations the well-proportioned frames and comfortable upholstering of Silver Cross prams have borne babies – including more than one Royal offspring – proudly aloft.


But there is one particular country where the pram that has served thousands of children so well is not welcome.


The French have refused to allow Silver Cross prams to be sold in their shops, in what the firm’s owner has described as a blatant example of European Union free trade rules being flouted.


Alan Halsall, who bought the company out of administration in 2002, said French trade officials had ruled that the prams did not meet their own safety requirements, despite being cleared for sale under EU rules across the rest of the continent.


As a result he was forced to ship back hundreds of Silver Cross prams the firm had distributed to 60 shops across France in anticipation of them being allowed to go on the market.

Sorry to go off topic but someone point me to the video of Corbin being barracked by the tories


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It can hardly be called 'barracking' and it's pretty funny, even Corbyn had a smirk. He's not as 'Po faced ' as everyone is led to believe.

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This was the first time I have laughed at the chumps tea party antics.Lets face it a sense of humour is an essential part of the kit for life.

Humour is indeed an essential part of life, however these are the people we trust to run our country, yes have a laugh by all means but this was over the top and ignorant, and before anybody jumps in about left or right, I would have also said the same if this had happened to Cameron and trust me I despise the man, we sit and watch the opening of parliament men in tights, robes the whole shebang for what? as Dusty said a chimps tea party, I think one of the greatest challenges of the future should be a complete overhaul of parliament and the voting system.