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Re: Immigration Crisis [Re: diggingdeeper] #984625
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Well , havent seen it on British news channel yet, but forget the Trojan Horse I mentioned last week as being a risk --RT is reporting that a leading IMAM is now calling on the faithful directly, to go to Europe , breed , integrate ,and take it over !
Everything I see and hear about this crisis makes it look more and more like an organized invasion .
Doesnt help that apparently self appointed ' facilitators' are tutoring groups of migrants everywhere, in exactly what to do , what to say,keeping them geographically up to date with where is best to cross, where is weak etc, and encouraging them to 'flash mob' as best they can to overcome restrictions at the borders with force. Smart phones amongst the refugees does the rest.
I feel sorry for the original and genuine Syrian refugees - they are obviously starting to feel bitter and angry against the invasion which is following and overtaking them.


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Well it was obvious to anyone with brains that it was going to turn out like this. It's the usual jumping on the band wagon scenario. I'm the end it's the people who really do need help that won't get it and the lunatics will end up in our country causing unrest.
Some people don't seem to think of the consequences of letting all these people in in the first place, things are never simple and we end up with more trouble then it's worth.

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I keep flip flopping between support and not. One TV channel shows the typical "huddled masses", crying children and mothers.

Then I see groups sat around well clothed and looking no worse for wear (the trainers on one refugee I saw this morning must have cost 100), not escaping war, but simply looking for a better life.

Well, sure I also want a better life, don't we all? Isn't that why we work hard? A nice job and home in Canada or Australia would suit me if you're offering.

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I am in the NO SUPPORT camp.

Imagine if our Great Grandparents, Grandparents or Parents had ran away between 1914-1918 or 1939-1945.

I have no issues with women and children coming over for safety whilst the husband/partner fight for their land.


Re: Immigration Crisis [Re: diggingdeeper] #984644
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I think we have done our bit.

Written by Sir Andrew Green , a previously unheard-of speechwriter for Blair, Straw and Blunkett,is a former British Ambassador to Saudi Arabia and Syria, and explains how Blair allowed 3 million immigrants into Britain. Plenty about it on the internet.

Was Mass Immigration a Conspiracy?

http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/pressArticle/83

Same sentiments as Gibbo. Great sympathy for Syrian migrants and also Iraqis and flip flopping all over the place,but for the life of me I cannot see why there are so many that look like Pakistanis, Africans, Egyptians and possibly others who greatly resemble Indonesians. I could be wrong, but they aren't Syrian. There are also many Russians in Syria, and maybe they have thought it a good opportunity too. A 'Free For All' at the moment and who is likely to be able to determine who is genuine and who isn't, when they have no ID. They could all say ( and probably will)they were living in Syria !

Needless to say, Germany don't want others apart from the Syrians, they keep on repeating that they said they would take 800,000 Syrians. So now looking for a way to off load the less desirables.


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Re: Immigration Crisis [Re: diggingdeeper] #984646
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I think a lot more people are realising that maybe all is not what it seems., abit late now. I feel for the children and hate to see them pulled around and pushed into the fences etc. Countries are getting angry and panicky and who can blame them. Venices post worries me to death and I've tried not to think about what could happen, think we've got to be really strong on this and be vigilant who we let in to our little England.

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And it looks like more will flee to Europe from Yemen.
[youtube]v=JoV9Z6NXH5I[/youtube]

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Dont forget Cools, although the Russians are wary of putting out propaganda ,this story could of course still be spun somewhat . Nothing about it in UK or anywhere else I can see yet. OH thought its probably just too hot a potato pc wise for the BBC to carry it at all. Lets hope youre right and Mr C can keep his eye on the ball despite the distraction of Pig-gate and VW.

The EU ministers meeting today. They have agreed by a majority to split migrants amongst the countries . An angry dispairing Czech minister has just announced that soon it will be noticed 'that the Emporer has no clothes' (as you said Cools)

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Oh the ,breed to take over' bit was in the Mail online it would seem. True then (unless dubbed) but hopefully this guy will be seen as even too extremist for all but IS followers and he wont be taken seriously by the majority.

https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/644984253873324032

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[youtube]v=aQsYJWOH6f4[/youtube] Makes sense this video.

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Yes Snowy it certainly does and just what most of us are fearing. I find the whole thing extremely frightening and as I said before can only see trouble on the streets and misery.

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what I find quite different, when relating to refugees of WWII , escaped prisoners, spies, and all those who had false papers, we had great admiration for them ,their courage and their struggle for survival.

How is it different now, and why are we prepared to condemn those who have no papers or ID , but have courage and are struggling for survival ?

Is it personal fear , of what might physically happen to ourselves and our children? If it is, then don't worry, if you're not a Christian you won't get beheaded, but you will probably have to become Muslim. Is that what people are frightened of ? Just asking...because those monstrous people are already within Europe, UK and are infiltrating everywhere else.
After the murder of our policeman this week, I already feel a sense of unity amongst the population, a coming together in support.
The same would happen if things took a turn for the worst, I believe. We would all be so much stronger on our home turf, isn't that what the British thing is ?

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Re: Immigration Crisis [Re: diggingdeeper] #986296
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We cant really equate what happened in WW2 with the mass exodus we are experiencing today, if we look back to those countries affected, most of the men remained as partisans or resistance fighters those that left came here and joined their relative forces here the refugees we saw were the elderly and women and children, their pride and determination to defeat a common foe and love of their countries came first and foremost, what we are experiencing now is a vast migration of mainly young men, this is the thing that really strikes me most the under representation of families and young women, it just strikes me as not right, maybe its a cultural difference were we put women and children first, and the men put themselves first in their culture, but you are right should we be afraid? a fifth column of young men entering Europe with what intentions?

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Re: Immigration Crisis [Re: diggingdeeper] #986298
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I think we should be afraid as who knows what there plan B will be next.
Can we be heading towards a world war 3 ????

Re: Immigration Crisis [Re: casper] #986299
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Casper hi According to one news report, (don't know how true)it states that the women and children in the camps have been abandoned by their men folk. They think their men should have stayed to fight. Maybe they wonder who the hell they are going to fight for ? If they don't support Assad , IS or freedom fighters, when we see how complex it is, then it is understandable.

That question Snowy, is a different matter. All depends on the big players, who have F'd up once too often. I don't think it will be WWIII , I doubt there will be another major war like that. Just a nuke instead shocked

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