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the new improved inconvenient truth #959724
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As you know i love documentaries...."cowspiracy" shows how its animal agriculture thats destroying the planet not our cars trains fossil fuels etc etc
Its a bit polarised but you cant deny what it says...its our food not our lives killing us and as usual no one wants to confront it

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There has been quite a bit of work on creating cow feed that reduces methane production. There are also swamps and all sorts producing mega amounts of green-house gas.

Man made global warming is negligible and to all purposes irrelevant, something I and many others have been arguing for many years - but it pays the scientists to perpetuate the myth.


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Talking about 'inconveniences'; in India the children are being paid to 'poo' in toilets ! So far, they don't have anywhere near enough of them.

In India, nearly half of the population - more than 590m people - relieve themselves in the open.

That could also contribute to the 'global warming' smile

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Courtesy of Unicef and Poo2loo campaign

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Just thought you might like to see it. party



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Granny. Ok but theres a global herd of 60 billion animals feeding us at the mo but its not sustainable .....its simple maths as were obsessed with expanding esp in the uk. Everyones pushin a pram ha

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Yes, you're correct. A baby born in India every 5 seconds.

Much of animal affluence is used for fertilizer and also for many other things. Converting it to fuel in many countries which seems a good option. We used to have guano dealers once upon a time for fertilizer. Very high in nitrogen, phosphate and potassium. I believe cattle/cowpat is also very high in nutrients for the ground, so there can be a use for everything if dealt with in the right way. We could even use it for building materials. House built with that stuff, can stand for 400 years or more, and knocking them down is a massive task. Why don't we take a step back in time and learn from what our ancestors did best. Only technology has made us change, for the worse in many ways. Someone will argue with that, but I doubt reducing the amount of livestock for consumption is likely to happen. Quite the reverse. So lets start building crap houses smile

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Most of the ruminant greenhouse gas is produced during digestion not the final waste.

Cement production is hugely bad for the environment, the temperature and quantity of heat required is such that they have special licenses to allow them to burn cheap materials that nobody else is allowed to burn for health reasons. They need to find a replacement process.


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Nearly all the guano imported to this country and the rest of Europe,was used in the munitions trade.The First World War was mostly fueled by the guano from the islands in the southern Pacific off the Chilian coast.Dangerous stuff!





quote=granny]Yes, you're correct. A baby born in India every 5 seconds.

Much of animal affluence is used for fertilizer and also for many other things. Converting it to fuel in many countries which seems a good option. We used to have guano dealers once upon a time for fertilizer. Very high in nitrogen, phosphate and potassium. I believe cattle/cowpat is also very high in nutrients for the ground, so there can be a use for everything if dealt with in the right way. We could even use it for building materials. House built with that stuff, can stand for 400 years or more, and knocking them down is a massive task. Why don't we take a step back in time and learn from what our ancestors did best. Only technology has made us change, for the worse in many ways. Someone will argue with that, but I doubt reducing the amount of livestock for consumption is likely to happen. Quite the reverse. So lets start building crap houses smile [/quote]

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It was used long before then Pete. At least approx 80yrs that I know of in this country. A distant relative was a guano dealer in Chester in 1830's/40's .

That's a claim to fame ,if ever there was ! laugh

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Just had thought, would that be what they used in lime kilns ?

What did they make in lime kilns?

As you say Pete, pretty powerful stuff !


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Originally Posted by granny


What did they make in lime kilns?



Lime?
Actually, calcium oxide or quicklime, which was then slaked with water to produce the lime which was used in mortar, until cement replaced it.


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Oh ! Thanks Chris. I was thinking it was the bird lime used to fire the kilns up. Whatever next ?? doh


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