Yes Casper I am sympathetic and feel sorry for the genuine people who find themselves on benefits fir all sorts of reasons but unfortunatlely the system has been overrun by all the shirkers and cheats who abuse the benefits and proudly boast if it. I don't agree with zero hours that should be stopped.
Ha yes, the system now caters more to the shirkers and cheats, and those in real need at times don't get any help at all. It comes to somethink when people who are disabled due to having their legs blown off in wars are not allowed disability benifits but those who lie about having an illness and pretend they can't work get disability benefits.
Like the guy in a wheelchair got caught jogging in a park one day .And i bet there are loads more
Your missing the point, the system is designed to punish not to assist, its no good saying you have sympathy but it the dodgy claimants to blame, its the government system to blame by punishing everybody regardless, its akin to the system the long ago vanquished Nazi party used, blame a proportion of the population for all the ills of the country whilst filling their boots at every ones expense, your point about the disabled forces veterans is a valid one, but again the system doesn't discriminate between the deserving and the blaggers ever body is guilty of alleged abuse, just one point about the caring Tories concerning disabled and injured servicemen, they were forbidden to attend in uniform at the Falklands victory parade because Thatcher didn't wish for the public to see the true cost of "her" victory.
Yeah Snowy I quite agree. It's so sad to see these people and we know we would do the same if in their situation but it's got to stop , misery all round. Too soft this country!
On immigration, I don't think the buck stops with us. Didn't Mrs Merkel (her again) tell Mr Cameron last year, that if he wasn't in agreement with her and continued the argument about controlling immigration to UK , then she might not support Britain's membership of the EU. (something like that). So , that's a good enough reason to leave. Goodness knows what any of them will come up with as a resolving situation, but the migrants keep on coming and discussions seem to have quietened down again. I would have thought that a better way would be to allocate each migrant to a different EU country. 28 countries could have an even share, no matter how wealthy or poor they are. Not to be given the ability to travel around to other EU countries. That might save some coming across as they may not see Romania or Bulgaria as a particularly good prospect. At the same time the Eurozone should pump more money into each of those economies for help with creating jobs etc. Romania and Bulgaria are living off the rest of us anyway. Let them get on the road to recovery. These migrants know the rules, they know they are behaving illegally, and they know what their plans are before starting their journey. So, with that in mind they should not all be treated as stupid ,uneducated pawns in greater game, they are not. It's their own game that they wish to gamble on. Some very sad cases but not all, by a long shot, are running away from their own country and seeking refuge elsewhere due to war ? All I see is another generation facing modern day slavery for these people or living in camps for the next so many years. It always amazes me HOW the people from such poor countries, manage to raise enough money to pay the people trafficker. They earn much, much less than we do, i.e. if they earn anything at all, and it would take us a fare while to raise the funds. Are they being helped like the Vietnamese boat people were, all those years ago, which was basically ethnic cleansing by their own government.
Just an opinion which could be wrong and questionable. Even so, Mrs Merkel would seem to be pulling the noose at this moment in time.
I don't have any answers to the people trying to get to Europe from Syria etc via boat but they must be desperate to risk the journey especially the people who attempt this with their children.
However, I don't think this should be just a European issue and certainly not predominantly Italys problem. There are many rich non EU countries who could also help.
The biggest hurdle is that the vast majority of the people attempting to get to Lampedusa etc are uneducated so there is a risk that they will either be used as slave labour or just take from whichever country they end up in. Neither scenario is good.
We should always keep our borders open for asylum seekers.
I know there was a meeting a couple of weeks ago to discuss the issue of immigrants risking life and limb to escape their own countries but apparently there was no decision. It's a very difficult situation where Italy' Greece and Malta have been swamped but above all they are PEOPLE. People in distress, maybe wiki people have some ideas.
I know there was a meeting a couple of weeks ago to discuss the issue of immigrants risking life and limb to escape their own countries but apparently there was no decision. It's a very difficult situation where Italy' Greece and Malta have been swamped but above all they are PEOPLE. People in distress, maybe wiki people have some ideas.
Build a massive 50ft high electric fence round the uk borders. with a very loud alarm.
We should always keep our borders open for asylum seekers.
The difficulty is in defining "asylum seekers".
They know to apply for 'asylum', as once they are granted that status, they are able to travel wherever they wish to. Most of them are heading for Germany ,France or the UK.
Many of these migrants are also passing without hindrance through many different countries . Do they have passports ? Probably not. In their home land do they have television or radio and mobile phones ? Probably yes. Can they drive ? Probably yes. They all seem to be able to speak more than one language, which many of us can not. Most of these people are not refugees, they are migrants. Why do they all wish to travel to Europe ? Probably because those who are making the most gain out of it, are filling their heads with rubbish and untruths. If you were running an illegal business, isn't that what you would do? The message needs to get through to these mislead people that they are about to embark on a tale of misery and that London's streets are no longer paved with gold. Don't underestimate these people, they may dress in rags or attire we don't encourage, but they are pretty clued up and not fools. To call them uneducated is probably in many case very wrong and untrue. They have a different life to us but are pretty capable of being self sufficient when we have to turn to food banks. They are strong minded and have a long history of survival, they are also smart and calculated. Look at a map of Africa to see the distance they are travelling across land. Also look at some of the cities /towns within those countries My feelings are for them in regard that they are being lead into a situation which they do not realise, but they set off knowing full well that they are doing something illegal with the hope of applying for asylum, after which their families can join them. Paid for by ? Syria, is a different situation altogether, but many of those fleeing the trouble are in Turkey and Jordan until such time as they can be repatriated.
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Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
'Michael Gove has been appointed Secretary of Justice, his first job will be the scrap the human rights act (below), read it, it will be gone in a 100 days apparently'.
How would proportional representation be possible ?
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
Don't know Snowy. If we still had to vote for our preferred MP in our area, let's say Labour ;),and they won the seat and Tories got the highest % of votes overall throughout the country, but fewer MP's , how could a government be formed with fewer Tory MPs' than Labour MP's ? The problem must arise when there are so many smaller parties taking the votes from the 'now' two main parties.
Yes, SNP got 50% of the vote, but they only have a population of 5.3million.
London alone has a population of 8.6 million.
Having said that, what a cheeky madam she is, telling us what she is about to 'get' for the 2.5million who voted for her. Is that fair ? What did the other 50% of the Scottish population hope for ?
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
.And i bet there are loads more 
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