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Come back when your brain cell has woken up!
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It is supposed to be thought provoking obviously lost in some quarters. It is a bit like a proverb. Humans eat smash burn ruin everything They can get their hands on.Only a human could then have the audacity to think it is a gateway to heaven and everlasting destruction.Perhaps on arrival everybody turns a new leaf and behaves as he should while on loan down here.
I have always been inspired by the Aboriginal way of life, the earth is left for the best part, as it was found.

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Sorry to interrupt folks but Granny and I were having a little light banter in another thread but it got a bit off topic and this thread seems to be more appropriate. So, if it's ok I would like to continue.

Hi, granny. I have switched over to ITV as promised. Sorry that I couldn’t join you last night but it was a bit late and my cocoa beckoned.
As you are unable to provide any actual evidence regarding the existence of Christ and you are trying to shift the burden of proof over to me, I would like you check out the analogy of ‘Russell’s teapot’ (just Google it)
You seemed a bit confused about the concept of cherry picking, so allow me to explain. A lot of people who believe what they read in the bible tend to select only the good bits, such as the birth of Christ and the miracles etc. But, they conveniently appear to forget the not so nice bits. Allow me to present a couple of examples of these. ‘Slaves, be obedient to those who are your earthly masters with fear and trembling...’ (Ephesians 6:5) ‘God deems it just to repay with affliction those who afflict you.....’ (2 Thessalonians 1:6-9). Of course the latter can be contradicted by turning the other cheek. So, cherry picking means choosing only the best. Hope this clarifies things a bit.

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Originally Posted by dustymclean
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It is supposed to be thought provoking obviously lost in some quarters. It is a bit like a proverb. Humans eat smash burn ruin everything They can get their hands on.Only a human could then have the audacity to think it is a gateway to heaven and everlasting destruction.Perhaps on arrival everybody turns a new leaf and behaves as he should while on loan down here.
I have always been inspired by the Aboriginal way of life, the earth is left for the best part, as it was found.
Such a nasty response does you no favours Dusty,and certainly adds no weight to your argument.By the way,I eat smash and I don't burn it,I think it's lovely. Punctuate my boy,punctuate.

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It would appear that after accusing me now of not understanding the concept of cherry picking and calling me only 'reasonably intelligent' that you have scoured the internet for a bit of cherry picking yourself, Nickleg ! smile

Bertram Russell by his own admission admits he should be called an agnostic but preferred to refer to himself as an atheist. Therefore, as an agnostic he must have believed in something, although obviously not a Christian God.
Anyway, to coin a phrase, his teapot doesn't hold water.

Ephesians 6:5.. Slaves be obedient etc. One verse is actually not substantial enough to get the proper meaning , so we'll do v 5-9
Do you know the slaves he was referring to Nickleg?

5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free.

9 And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.

Meaning: Pretty straight forward I would have thought.

Slaves played a significant part in society, there were several million of them at that time in the Roman empire. Because many slaves and owners had become Christians the early church had to deal straightforwardly with master/slave relations. Paul's message does neither condemn nor condone slavery. It tells how masters and slaves can live together in Christian households.

They had freedoms in the church which society denied them. Paul tells husbands ,parents and masters to be caring. His instructions encourage responsibility and integrity on the job and they should do their job as if Jesus is their manager. Christian employers should treat their employees with respect as people, not machines. Remember that no matter who you work for or who works for you, the one they should ultimately want to please is their father in heaven.


Thessalonians !:6-9 NIV

6 God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you etc. etc.

Meaning: Probably accepted as Karma these days. Suffering will make people stronger (very true)and the lake of fire (also mentioned in Revelations) is referring to the place of eternal separation from God. For those who believe in God will stand before him. Wrongs will be righted, judgement will be pronounced and evil will be terminated. Those who are separated from God in eternity will not have hope of salvation.

So yes, very easy to conclude that none believers will never even consider they will stand in that place. Maybe they won't .


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I will try in future. I had no idea lack of punctuation could lead to destroying something and a squashed potato being mixed up Calling a 67 year old man who had a very poor education "BOY" puts you in the same boat Mr Kettle.

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I think todays teachings are a little bit different granny, do unto others as they do unto you, only do it first if you can, just thought I would lighten things up a bit granny seeyu

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Granny, please JUST FOR ONCE admit that you cannot win an argument. You can gloss up all that rubbish as much as you like but you cannot prove the existence of your deity.

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Casper, in reality with the way live now, we have probably headed right back to the book of Exodus. That at least means we can prophesize about what comes next laugh

Dusty : I liked the Aboriginal Concept and it is thought provoking. You will note, that many are ridiculed for their own preference.

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To Nickleg, there is no argument, I have not intended to prove anything. You gave Bible ref's and I assumed you wanted some sort of explanation. The previous post on the other channel was left as 'to disprove that Jesus existed' as we can't prove a negative...remember ? So that is your box, not mine. Numpty ! Therefore you have proven nothing other than a tantrum and negative feedback.


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Granny,I couldn't care less if you have an imaginary friend and just like yourself, if I too had one I would have no intentions of trying to prove he existed.

By the way your assumptions are wrong, I didn't need any sort of explanation.

I do not have motivation to pursue this discussion any further but if I was so inclined I could offer you a great many opportunities to tell how this all knowing, all loving, all forgiving celestial being allows tsunamis, holocausts, child murder and rape, plague, disease etc. etc. And, while you were at it you might be able to explain the power of prayer to the mothers who beg him to let their sick children live but end up disappointed and grief stricken. Your friend doesn't seem like someone who deservers to be worshipped, does he?

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Originally Posted by NickLeg
Granny,I couldn't care less if you have an imaginary friend and just like yourself, if I too had one I would have no intentions of trying to prove he existed.

By the way your assumptions are wrong, I didn't need any sort of explanation.

I do not have motivation to pursue this discussion any further but if I was so inclined I could offer you a great many opportunities to tell how this all knowing, all loving, all forgiving celestial being allows tsunamis, holocausts, child murder and rape, plague, disease etc. etc. And, while you were at it you might be able to explain the power of prayer to the mothers who beg him to let their sick children live but end up disappointed and grief stricken. Your friend doesn't seem like someone who deservers to be worshipped, does he?


So you actually admit that he allows these things to happen ?
If you wish to know the power of prayer, try it ! smile

Just as a matter of interest , all things were prophesised .

Luke, Daniel, Matthew and Revelations : And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven

plus other stuff..

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Aw! granny. As they say " God luvs a trier"

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Granny,I couldn't care less if you have an imaginary friend and just like yourself, if I too had one I would have no intentions of trying to prove he existed.

By the way your assumptions are wrong, I didn't need any sort of explanation.

I do not have motivation to pursue this discussion any further but if I was so inclined I could offer you a great many opportunities to tell how this all knowing, all loving, all forgiving celestial being allows tsunamis, holocausts, child murder and rape, plague, disease etc. etc. And, while you were at it you might be able to explain the power of prayer to the mothers who beg him to let their sick children live but end up disappointed and grief stricken. Your friend doesn't seem like someone who deservers to be worshipped, does he?


So you actually admit that he allows these things to happen ?
If you wish to know the power of prayer, try it ! smile

Just as a matter of interest , all things were prophesised .

Luke, Daniel, Matthew and Revelations : And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven

plus other stuff..


Honestly, granny I was planning to lay this to rest but after digesting your quote I just could not resist replying.

If he exists in such a loving form he would not allow these things to happen

The power of prayer is not worth trying. Ask any grieving mother

So, because they were prophesised that makes it all ok?

If that's the best you can do I think I will lay this to rest.

Bye, granny it's been fun.

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the difference is, I'm not trying to prove anything and you are !

Come on Nick, give us a smile . Not the end of the world, yet ! laffin

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Ok, we'll agree to differ. About the only thing we will agree on grin

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