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queries on a map? #867587
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Not really wanting to open this again but click

Can anyone say what 'The Duane' and 'The Ayne' (maybe a river?)are?
I think this map is quite recently done by an artist and would like to know where and how he got the names

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The Ayne is on the River Birket.

They could be the names of the owners.

Duane or Duans could be translated as Dunes.


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Originally Posted by Moonstar
The Ayne is on the River Birket.

They could be the names of the owners.

Duane or Duans could be translated as Dunes.


Would agree with the Duanes idea being the sand dunes. But the Birket is called the Birket further along the stream. Wonder if Ainsdale has a connection with the word Ayne?

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It seems to have for Bidston Hill telegraph poles etc, the fender and the Birket were never named until they built the docks, I think Ayne is the area and I've seen it mentioned somewhere on one of the History forums on WikiWirral, a few years ago we had one about the Fender and the Birket about how far the names went back, hope this helps Derek.

Duane is Duans and is Dunes, all that area was sand dunes, which were removed to use as building materials for half of the North West in the 1800s

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My first post has click to get to the Rivers topic

It just seemed to me the blue names along a blue lines for streams/brooks may have meant the name of it.
Maybe different areas may have had their own local name for the water as it flowed through their area. Having said that I'm wondering what the Carrs was/is

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Just had a look on The Cheshire Sheaf 2cds available for 10 from Cheshire Local History Association. - It's quite good


APRIL 16, 1902.
NOTES.
[613] THE RENTAL OF THE EARL OF DERBY, FOR
HIS WIRRAL PROPERTY, 1521-2.
(Continued from No. 589.)
In the following portion the Rental still deals
with lands in the parish of Bidston, including the
townships of Moreton and Saughall Massey.
Perhaps the most interesting reference is that to
the fishery " in the water of Ayne called Dowble-
Dyke." There can hardly be any doubt that here we
have an early name for the little stream which still
drains the northern end of the Wirral Peninsula
and which is now known as The Fender. There is
only this one stream in Bidston parish, with two
branches, one draining the flat lands as far as
Newton Carrs at the end of West Kirby Hill and
the other flowing from the district near Prenton and
Barnston. Both these streams unite on the Bidston
Marsh and are both called the Fender, though the
Ordnance folk have invented the name Birket for
the former branch. Near the point where they
unite are some dykes or banks, probably of considerable
age, built to prevent the overflowing of
the meadows by the high tides coming up Wallasey
Pool. These may represent the "Dowble Dyke"
mentioned in the document. The word Ayne is
itself very interesting. It is no doubt the Celtic
word Afon or Avon, meaning water.

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Originally Posted by davew3
It seems to have for Bidston hill telegraph poles


The poles were erected by the shipping companies to get advanced notice by semaphore of the arrival of a ship.
http://www.bidstonhill.org.uk/heritage/trail06/


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"The Duans" are shown on the first map on the link you listed Derek. I too think it must be "dunes". How old is that colour map you posted? I suspect it might not be as old as it is meant to look? "The Aynes" fascinates me and I would love to know exactly what it referred to.


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Originally Posted by derekdwc
My first post has click to get to the Rivers topic

It just seemed to me the blue names along a blue lines for streams/brooks may have meant the name of it.
Maybe different areas may have had their own local name for the water as it flowed through their area. Having said that I'm wondering what the Carrs was/is


Carr is an old name for bog, marsh or fenland. Could The Carrs just be a description of what the area was like?

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The map was done by Gerrard Swarbrick approximately 1999. It took him 10years and tells more in the link.

There's a little magnifying glass to look at it with. Lovely map.

http://www.swarbrickmaps.com/pages/wirral.htm


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Originally Posted by davew3
It seems to have for Bidston Hill telegraph poles etc, the fender and the Birket were never named until they built the docks, I think Ayne is the area and I've seen it mentioned somewhere on one of the History forums on WikiWirral, a few years ago we had one about the Fender and the Birket about how far the names went back, hope this helps Derek.

Duane is Duans and is Dunes, all that area was sand dunes, which were removed to use as building materials for half of the North West in the 1800s


Was this the one DaveW3 ?

https://www.wikiwirral.co.uk/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/541409/1.html


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Derekdwc beat me to this by providing a transcription. Here is an image of the document from the Cheshire Sheaf.

As Derek stated, the Cheshire Sheaf is available from Cheshire Record Office - 2x CDs for 10 Cheshire Sheaf CDs at Cheshire Record Office - make sure you get the set of instructions.
The Cheshire Sheaf CDs will also be available at the Greasby Local History Fair on 12th April 2014.

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Interesting - the current Lingdale Coarse Fishery - runs right next to what is called the Birket and has a feed off it for fresh 'oxygenated' water... could that be the fishery mentioned ?

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just stopped by to see how this thread was coming along smile


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