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Not Guilty is exactly that, other options are Guilty or Not Proven.

I wouldn't name the accused unless a guilty verdict is found, as for it may encourage other victims it could also lead to people making false accusations making the complaint appear weaker.

I also wouldn't name the accuser after a non guilty verdict, wont do anyone any good. However it is found that the accuser did make up the complaint and is convicted of making false accusations they should be named.

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Not proven - only in Scotland ?


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I think Rudebox was right on page 1 - maybe they can afford smarter lawyers than the rest of us - we wouldn't 'get away' with something similar (that we had done) because our lawyers would not be clever (i.e. expensive) enough to get us off...

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Originally Posted by bigpete
Not proven - only in Scotland ?

Correct !

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In the case of so called celebs, they have a free ticket to deny any wrong doing on the back of the Saville case screaming witchhunt along with their highly paid council,it does leave the alleged victim at a disadvantage how ridiculous for co stars to come forward as character witnesses, what a wonderful chap/women (but we didn't know him/her when the offences were committed)after all a devious abuser wouldn't dump on his/her own doorstep, this type of offence is covert, its amazing how many of the recently accused, knew all about Saville's reputation, but kept quiet, like minds?

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and don't forget 90% of the public banging on about how "they are only in it for the money"

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Now Dave Lee Travis is CLEARED of 12 counts of indecent assault.

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Now Dave Lee Travis is CLEARED of 12 counts of indecent assault.


BRILLIANT !!! Not often I will shout out loud when reading on the laptop - but I did when I saw that news. Poor bugger has been through Hell but some of us never believed the stories/ claims.

I also saw a newspaper quote saying he was a "tactile" person but a Gent and not one who would cause offence. I fully understand that. Some people are "tactile" and there is nothing wrong with that. I have spent a lot of time in South America and there it is ABSOLUTELY normal for people to touch/ hug and be "tactile" with NO ulterior motives.

Where this verdict leaves the Police operation against celebrities I have no idea. Whatever is said it must surely cast doubt on any future action.

And YES, in my view there should be naming of those who have accused and the verdict has been not guilty.

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Looks like Freddy is up next.

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Not proven - only in Scotland ?

Correct !

Ok the same as "failed to reach a verdict" in my opinion, just wrong wording.

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