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Should the accusers be named? #850460
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Just watching the news about Dave Lee Travis, Rolf Harris, William Roache et al. Is it just me who believes that if they are all found not guilty of their alleged charges, then the women who brought the charges against them should be named?
I think it's grossly unfair, thinking back to the case with Kevin LeVell, that he had to endure the whole saga which likely ruined his life for many months (and probably still is) and yet the girl who pressed charges gets away without any recourse.

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Re: Should the accusers be named? [Re: Elizabeth] #850480
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Just because a jury clears someone it does not mean they are totally 100% innocent, there a number of reasons why a jury finds someone not guilty, perhaps the alleged victim can not remember all details, maybe because there head is so screwed up after what happened to them, there mind blocks out certain parts.

And you say name them.

Here is a scenario for you:

Your walking down the street and you are dragged in the bushes and assaulted, but you go home and get showered washing vital evidence away, you go to the police and report it after, (it goes without saying the police will believe you) they go and arrest someone for it, (you do not want your name published) which is fair enough.
Now in court you can not remember much about the night as thinking about it makes you depressed and causes you emotional pain, and also you washed vital evidence away, the jury clear this person.

So you agree that your name should be published in the papers and the news branding you a lier.

I think not.

And am sorry but if there was a prize for the most stupid idea
then you have just won 1st prize.




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Re: Should the accusers be named? [Re: Elizabeth] #850482
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Taking the above into account why should the accused be named before the jury finds them guilty?
e.g.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...o-face-her-victim-in-court-29733885.html

Re: Should the accusers be named? [Re: Elizabeth] #850486
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Lets not forget that Legal Aid has now gone....



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Re: Should the accusers be named? [Re: Willo_] #850487
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Originally Posted by Willo_
Just because a jury clears someone it does not mean they are totally 100% innocent, there a number of reasons why a jury finds someone not guilty, perhaps the alleged victim can not remember all details, maybe because there head is so screwed up after what happened to them, there mind blocks out certain parts.

And you say name them.

Here is a scenario for you:

Your walking down the street and you are dragged in the bushes and assaulted, but you go home and get showered washing vital evidence away, you go to the police and report it after, (it goes without saying the police will believe you) they go and arrest someone for it, (you do not want your name published) which is fair enough.
Now in court you can not remember much about the night as thinking about it makes you depressed and causes you emotional pain, and also you washed vital evidence away, the jury clear this person.

So you agree that your name should be published in the papers and the news branding you a lier.

I think not.

And am sorry but if there was a prize for the most stupid idea
then you have just won 1st prize.



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Re: Should the accusers be named? [Re: Salmon] #850492
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Originally Posted by Salmon
Taking the above into account why should the accused be named before the jury finds them guilty?
e.g.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...o-face-her-victim-in-court-29733885.html


Agreed, and with regard to naming accusers, that is also a very sensitive issue. I don't think they should be named in these cases, but maybe the accuser should be liable to pay some compensation, if the accused is found innocent.


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Re: Should the accusers be named? [Re: Elizabeth] #850495
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What if the accused can afford to buy a top rate lawyer and the survivor/ victim cannot?


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Re: Should the accusers be named? [Re: RUDEBOX] #850497
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Originally Posted by RUDEBOX
What if the accused can afford to buy a top rate lawyer and the survivor/ victim cannot?


What if the accused can't and the accuser can ? That would be a more serious issue. smile


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Re: Should the accusers be named? [Re: granny] #850499
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Originally Posted by granny
Originally Posted by RUDEBOX
What if the accused can afford to buy a top rate lawyer and the survivor/ victim cannot?


What if the accused can't and the accuser can ? That would be a more serious issue. smile
Fair point. smile Well, not 'more serious' but equally unfair.

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Re: Should the accusers be named? [Re: RUDEBOX] #850501
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How about one of the foundation stones of the British legal system, Innocent Until PROVEN Guilty means that no one can report on a case (with names) until the case is over.

If they are found Guilty, they can be named.

If they are found Not Guilty, they can't.

Forget all this rubbish about how if the names are published other victims could come forward, if the case was strong enough to win (and if it isn't legally it shouldn't be proceeded with anyway) then let it stand on its own feet.

Lives can be ruined FOREVER with false accusations, and some lies never die.

I don't think that accusers should have to pay the accused money if they are found Not Guilty, but I do think that any record check for any future prosecutions should show the History of any previous allegations made by the accusers.

Re: Should the accusers be named? [Re: Elizabeth] #850503
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Whatever happened to 'Innocent until proven guilty'?

The news is full of alleged offenders- was I asleep when the Law changed? Has it changed,even?


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Re: Should the accusers be named? [Re: Elizabeth] #850531
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They are named so others can come forward.

Without them being named, evidence might not be found.

Re: Should the accusers be named? [Re: Elizabeth] #850532
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I don't think the law has changed, I think its the reporters using the words "Reportedly" and "allegedly" gets into the media and then it spreads.

But then thinking about it we always read Mr x has been remanded in custody until the court date charged with xxx. That gets into the news because you will have reporters in the courts posting such. I think there are even court listings in the buildings so you know who is in what court.

Innocent until proven guilty is all about the court room. IMO.

isn't that why it got to the point with the newspapers to sign up to a code of conduct to self police as it was all getting out of hand.

More should be done to protect the innocent, in certain cases, but with the names listed above, the media gave the victims the strength to come forward.

So i don't think there is one answer to fit all situations.

My thoughts.


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Re: Should the accusers be named? [Re: Elizabeth] #850540
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I was reading about this on another forum and someone brought up Peter Adamson - Len Fairclough from Corrie.

Everyone remembers the accusations, but what they don't remember is that he was cleared.

Even his obituary continued to tar and taint him:

Street's shamed Len Fairclough dies
Disgraced Coronation Street star Peter Adamson - who played womaniser Len Fairclough in the soap - has died a penniless recluse.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-95683/Streets-shamed-Len-Fairclough-dies.html

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That is So Sad.
From a Screen Idol to Nobody.

I didn't even realise he had been cleared.


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