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Re: No point in working? [Re: Headcoat_TheMrs] #843480
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Have you looked at private shared accommodation, I work away from home and this provided me with a cheaper alternative to renting. Instead of renting a full house/flat you rent a room and share the kitchen/bathroom, when looking I found some people just want to rent out a spare room they have.

Roombuddies/spareroom/flatmaterooms to name a few, in some places it was half the price of renting a house.

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Re: No point in working? [Re: Headcoat_TheMrs] #843505
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yer but you should have the option of complete privacy I my self couldn't share a house with some one unless it was with my partner

Re: No point in working? [Re: Headcoat_TheMrs] #843512
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Just because you don't know a person doesn't mean that one doesn't respect the privacy of the other.
Shared renting is a great way of finding your feet. It teaches respect for others whilst hopefully giving each other morale support along the way.
Years ago a young person couldn't afford to have their own home at a very young age so it was expected that their first taste of living alone was in fact sharing with others of a similar age.


Re: No point in working? [Re: Headcoat_TheMrs] #843574
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Originally Posted by Headcoat_TheMrs

Thanks for all the replies and advice.

I have looked in to her getting some financial help but it seems that because she is 18..working...has no kids...and is fit and healthy...she gets nowt.


So I will have to pay admin fees a deposit and one months rent in advance to a private landlord and probably have to help towards her rent each month just so my daughter can work.

It really is all wrong

TheMrs


It does seem wrong, but you will, like most other parents, be bailing out your kids forever. They are yours and your responsibility. The beauty of a job though is as I mentioned earlier, you do progress and eventually earn enough to stand on your own two feet. It is well worth the effort for the self esteem as well. Good luck and well done for supporting your kids. I now not only have to bail out one of my kids who is 50 but also her son, my grandson to the tune of over 5,000.00 already. If we have kids I am afraid in this day and age we have to stand up to our responsibilities and support them for as long as necessary.

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Re: No point in working? [Re: Headcoat_TheMrs] #843635
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Got 3 children- all still have to be at home. One ill and benefit system helps him thankfully. One who will not play the fictitious job seeking game to get JSA so he is getting no benefit but does unpaid voluntary work till he can find a job (has a degree as well). Third is doing a 32 hr/week apprenticeship only getting 3 hr (would have been 2.70/hour but the boss was "generous" in giving her another 30p/hour then made her pay for her own CRB check 50). This goes against Government guidelines which says how much they say people need to survive on. It doesnt always pay to work AND stand on your own feet but it does pay to work in regards to self asteem and your cv. The real problem is the difference between wages and cost of living. Shes got to give it a go just to make a start as moving to a better paid job will be easier from a position of employment than not. If moving back home is the only option is that a small sacrifice to make for say a year?

Re: No point in working? [Re: fish5133] #843781
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Yes I do think it is a small sacrifice to pay for the future. Looking at apprenticeships, what apprenticeship is involved here? It is a proper one like engineering apprenticeships? The title apprentice was only allied to trades at one time and of course although money was lousy, we eventually became qualified engineers (futher education was still required in order to advance)and naturally suddenly received a massive boost to our wages. If this is one of the new types where perhaps yo do 12 months in an office to train as a computer operator or something then perhaps that is why money is even worse. However if the government minimums apply, then I would be tempted to report the employer for exploitation.
Things are obviously a lot harder if one fails to get good grades on leaving school.
I suppose the main problem of minimum wages has now arisen, a daft idea by Labour, because employers seem to make the minimum wage 'the norm'. At one time they used to offer competitive rates to capture the best. Now, if all employers are doing it, everybody ends up on minimum wage! The only way to differentiate therefore is later when applications are made for better jobs. If the person wanting to leave is good then the boss will offer incentives to stay, if he/she is daft enough not to, then the future employer and employee both get improvement in wages, working conditions and quality of esteem.


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Re: No point in working? [Re: nem12esis] #843808
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Historically, money was not just poor for apprentices, in some trades the apprentice had to pay to be taken on by a master.


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Re: No point in working? [Re: nem12esis] #843830
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Originally Posted by nem12esis
I suppose the main problem of minimum wages has now arisen, a daft idea by Labour, because employers seem to make the minimum wage 'the norm'. At one time they used to offer competitive rates to capture the best. Now, if all employers are doing it, everybody ends up on minimum wage! The only way to differentiate therefore is later when applications are made for better jobs. If the person wanting to leave is good then the boss will offer incentives to stay, if he/she is daft enough not to, then the future employer and employee both get improvement in wages, working conditions and quality of esteem.


Exactly. Minimum wage has been the problem for many as so many companies took advantage.
Like Fish, we all have different situations arising from our families and the bailout process continues for a long time. The institutions regonsize this fact and know the parents will constantly dip into any savings etc. they may be able to access , if it provides support for their children, and we do time and time again. It is unfair. I have two back home again now and many of their friends have also had to move back home, all in their 30's, butthey have to have a roof over their heads. The third one has left the country as she is fed up with not being able to afford to live here, even sharing a house.
Please look for the benefits your daughter will gain from her progress. I think she's done really well , and hope she continues to do so, but she will no doubt, need you more than you think.
Best of luck to her. happy


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Re: No point in working? [Re: Headcoat_TheMrs] #844195
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To be fair, you have the scummy scrougers to thank for there not being enough money to go around to those in genuine need!

Re: No point in working? [Re: Headcoat_TheMrs] #844540
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Worth a watch although some might not agree -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6_zqEixjmI

[youtube]r6_zqEixjmI[/youtube]

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Re: No point in working? [Re: Headcoat_TheMrs] #844586
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Ordinary people need a decent welfare state... Agreed. It would work so much better if the work shy mentioned in the first 30 seconds didn't think the world owed them a living.

Re: No point in working? [Re: Abbot] #844838
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Originally Posted by Abbot
Worth a watch although some might not agree -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6_zqEixjmI

[youtube]r6_zqEixjmI[/youtube]
Good vid thanks for sharing

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