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Frank, dont know what youre doing wrong, but you keep posting quotes that dont belong to the right people. Very confusing.

I have just read your last post Frank about unions running the country, we have an unelected government running this country at the moment running it by default, how does that fit in with your view of democracy? How is it that every time the Tories have power they have to use the police or army to control the populace? its starting to remind me of Germany in the 30's

Oh no - the last thing you want in the U.K. is for health care to be run efficiently (which it would have to be, by private firms, or they would go straight out of business).

Wow, I came up with that all by myself, and I don't even read the Daily Mail!

It would have to be by private firms, not so I have worked for ex council privatised firms every one had the contract taken off them for poor performance cutting corners to enhance their profitability they pay poor wages and use inferior equipment and lie about their performance.

Privatisation & nationalisation

Last updated: Sunday 23 September, 2012

Government Intervention - The Private Finance Initiative (PFI)

The PFI was first launched in 1992 by a Conservative government and was extended heavily by the Labour government of 1997-2010. At the end of 2011, more than 700 hospitals, schools, prisons and other public sector projects had been built under the PFI scheme.
It encourages groups of private investors manage the design, build, finance and operation of public infrastructure such as new schools, hospitals, social housing, defence contracts, prisons and road improvements. Typically a PFI contract is repaid by the government over a 30 year period.

Efficiency: Belief that the private sector is better at managing investment projects and achieving overall cost efficiencies

Debt costs: Since 2007 the cost of private sector finance has increased - financing costs of PFI are typically 3-4% over that of government debt. Some estimates find that paying off a £1bn debt incurred through PFI cost the UK taxpayer equivalent to a direct government debt of £1.7bn

Administration: High spending on advisors and lawyers and the costs of the bidding process. The Royal Institute of British Architects estimated that the cost of bidding for a PFI hospital was more than £11 million


Northern Rock - In the autumn of 2007 the government announced the nationalisation of Northern Rock - With nationalisation, the debts of the bank were taken onto the public sector finances. These loans and guarantees were estimated to be worth more than £50bn. In the months since the nationalisation, Northern Rock has been downsizing its activities, reducing the size of its mortgage loans book and making several thousand employees redundant.

Bradford and Bingley - In September 2008 the UK government nationalised Bradford and Bingley - it took control of the bank's £50bn mortgages and loans, while B&B's £20bn savings unit and branches was bought by Spain's Santander.

The media is rife with examples of some of the wasteful spending built into the public sector procurement agreements that are part of PFI projects – for example the Prison Service renting computersfor £120 per month, anger at rising car parking charges at many local hospitals, road and bridge projects over-budget (the M25 widening scheme cost £1 billion more than forecast. Another well known example is the kennels at the Defence Animal Centre in Melton Mowbray, which cost more per night than rooms at the London Hilton.

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Just a few pointers and I also remember the kick off about the introduction of Acadamies in 2000, of which have since taken off. To my mind, it's all too vast for us to even to be able to contemplate, unless we really know what we are talking about. That I feel applies to very few of us and it would appear that whatever we are led to believe, all Governments at the end of the day,are singing from the same hymn sheet as it's the way forward, if we stick with Europe. Europe too, have the same as we do....so we follow in the same footsteps as dictated by other powers that be. FRance, Spain, Italy, etc. are all effected by the same problems and political issues. Exactly the same!! Which tells us, that we are contolled by Europe, whether we like it or not. Unions might as well give up, they don't carry any weight anymore.

Nice one Granny, but Frank wont agree with you!

UKIP????!!!! God help us.

I have no problem with sensible monetary control, but I do have a problem with the lower end of society bearing the brunt of the cuts, the Tories wont control the greed of their backers, much wants more, they are out and out thieves they are using the recession to do what they have longed to do for years dismantle the welfare state and are actually bragging about the lack of resistance, look in the history books about your wonderful Tories a good third of them wanted to do a deal with the Nazi's so long as they kept their wealth and lands they were rotten then and they are rotten now.

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"The NHS is under attack from privatisation from the Tory Lib Dem Government!"

IS SIMPLY UNTRUE."

OMG! FRANK!! Ive just realized you actually genuinely believe what you're saying !!!!!!!!!

Frank certainly does believe everything he says, its heart warming knowing his posts do more damage to the Tory party than any Trade Unionist or Labour party member could ever achieve.

To Quote Frank
" Anyway, if we elect a government, it is not up to its opponents to protest, that is what we call democracy".

Very similar to another period of time,
Frank, wear your Iron Cross with pride.

Frank,
I will not withdraw anything, I and many others have taken offence at everything you've posted. I wouldn't expect you to withdraw any of it, in fact I think you are damaging the Tory party excellently and if people think you are typical of it, great, keep it up.

Frank,
you seem to be obsessed with the agreement made between the Trade Unions and the Labour party on how they conduct their business, I suspect you're not a member of either, if that's the case, perhaps you should join one or the other and protest from within.
That would be more Democratic than protesting from the outside, you want to change the rules of something your probably not a member of.

Protesting is a very important part of Democracy, whoever is in government, providing its done peacefully it should be encouraged, it just might keep us away from Dictatorship.

Hey frank take a close look at your statements,I am no traitor I have served my country and I like many others expect my country to serve me in return, I look for nothing for nothing but I do expect to be treated with decency and respect what we have here is a bunch of mealy mouthed losers who owe their way of life to their inheritance which was stolen or taken by force from our ancestors, overgrown schoolboys who have never done a days graft,everything has been handed to them wealth education and position what have they done for this country? and some of them have still got to lie cheat and steal to get by,as to traitors and despots Thatcher would have known about that when she gave shelter to Pinnochet birds of a feather.

I actually thought that Frank was a returning banned member but then I realised that the ramblings are not very intelligent, wheras the banned member was at least intelligent.